Glenn Beck has "had it up to here" with us (Ron Paul Supporters)

[cajuncocoa]

Has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe Beck actually believes in what he is talking about?

Which part? Because Beck isn't known for his consistency, so I don't know that he will believe tomorrow what he says today.

Capt.Lou, it's one thing to tell us that we shouldn't close the door on trying to convert Beck's listeners. But asking us to respect Beck when he's out there calling us terrorists, deranged, etc....I'll give him all the respect he deserves (which is to say, little to none).

He's just another mouthpiece for the GOP establishment and he gets in the way of our efforts to save this country. That's not worthy of respect.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Which part? Because Beck isn't known for his consistency, so I don't know that he will believe tomorrow what he says today.

Capt.Lou, it's one thing to tell us that we shouldn't close the door on trying to convert Beck's listeners. But asking us to respect Beck when he's out there calling us terrorists, deranged, etc....I'll give him all the respect he deserves (which is to say, little to none).

He's just another mouthpiece for the GOP establishment and he gets in the way of our efforts to save this country. That's not worthy of respect.

I just tend to respect anyone for their beliefs even if they are completely the opposite of mine. I guess I just come from a different generation than most here.

 

[acptulsa]

I just tend to respect anyone for their beliefs even if they are completely the opposite of mine. I guess I just come from a different generation than most here.

Indeed. But has such respect gone out of style, or does it just take decades to learn this?

 

[cajuncocoa]

I just tend to respect anyone for their beliefs even if they are completely the opposite of mine. I guess I just come from a different generation than most here.

Did you read everything I said, or just the last line?

I have no problem with whatever he believes...that's not why I don't respect him.

I don't respect him because he misrepresents what the Ron Paul Revolution is about. A lot of people don't agree with us, but they don't go around characterizing as "terrorists" people who think as I do. In today's climate, that's a serious charge to make.

Do you think it's OK for him to call us "deranged" and/or "terrorists"? I don't. It's not OK, and not worthy of my respect.

 

[moostraks]

are you a social scientist? sociology was my field of study in college and your post sounds like a perspective i'd hear from someone who studies society.

Only from a layman perspective. Guess that is what happens when you get to be the sahm to many, one of which learns to manipulate quite handily.

 

[moostraks]

I just tend to respect anyone for their beliefs even if they are completely the opposite of mine. I guess I just come from a different generation than most here.

Could you respect anyone for their beliefs? What about someone who promises to pay their debts with the blood of your children? I was raised with Southern gentility and as such did not miss the lessons on respect. However there comes a point where one has to ask whether the person in question is worthy of contempt for their actions. Defamation of one's character through false allegations such as Beck has made should not be given a pass as a mere difference in belief.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Did you read everything I said, or just the last line?

I have no problem with whatever he believes...that's not why I don't respect him.

I don't respect him because he misrepresents what the Ron Paul Revolution is about. A lot of people don't agree with us, but they don't go around characterizing as "terrorists" people who think as I do. In today's climate, that's a serious charge to make.

Do you think it's OK for him to call us "deranged" and/or "terrorists"? I don't. It's not OK, and not worthy of my respect.

Terrorists was wrong for sure. I forget the context of all that, so I can't comment on the specifics of course. Deranged, well it depends on who he is speaking about. If he is speaking about someone who supported Paul int he primaries, then that is wrong. If he is speaking about someone standing on a street corner with a Ron Paul sign today - well he has a point in that since the nomination race is over.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Could you respect anyone for their beliefs? What about someone who promises to pay their debts with the blood of your children? I was raised with Southern gentility and as such did not miss the lessons on respect. However there comes a point where one has to ask whether the person in question is worthy of contempt for their actions. Defamation of one's character through false allegations such as Beck has made should not be given a pass as a mere difference in belief.

Well take Obama for example. I disagree with virtually everything that has come out of his mouth. I do think he is the worst President during my lifetime, if not ever. But I do respect the man for his beliefs, I think he is completely wrong, but I won't go to the point of calling him foul names like some do, because I don't feel that is proper.

Maybe respect isn't the best word, maybe decorum would be a better term to use.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Terrorists was wrong for sure. I forget the context of all that, so I can't comment on the specifics of course. Deranged, well it depends on who he is speaking about. If he is speaking about someone who supported Paul int he primaries, then that is wrong. If he is speaking about someone standing on a street corner with a Ron Paul sign today - well he has a point in that since the nomination race is over.

CaptLou, please don't make excuses for him based on "context"...what can be an acceptable context to label a group of people as "terrorists" in today's hyper-sensitive climate?

 

[AuH20]

Terrorists was wrong for sure. I forget the context of all that, so I can't comment on the specifics of course. Deranged, well it depends on who he is speaking about. If he is speaking about someone who supported Paul int he primaries, then that is wrong. If he is speaking about someone standing on a street corner with a Ron Paul sign today - well he has a point in that since the nomination race is over.

It's a two way street. I can only imagine the vitriol and hate mail Beck has received for several years, evn before the flareups. And he's talked about this. It's not like he just woke up one day and decided to arbitrarily bash RP supporters for being maniacal and extremely dogmatic to fault. There is alot of bad blood. Death threats, hate mail. You name it. He's a human being so of course, he's going to respond negatively. Hell, Rand Paul can even attest to this. We have some verifiable lunatics in our camp who see lizard people in their sleep.

 

[TheGrinch]

It's a two way street. I can only imagine the vitriol and hate mail Beck has received for several years. And he's talked about this. It's not like he just woke up one day and started to bash RP supporters for being maniacal and extremely dogmatic to fault. There is alot of history. Death threats, hate mail. You name it. He's a human being so of course, he's going to respond negatively.

That's a load of BS and you know it.

Beck clearly isn't speaking truth here. He's hyperbolizing and spinning and painting a narrative. That's what pundits do.

So I don't give a crap what Beck actually thinks, because he's making collectivists generalizations to the public that paint us in a negative light, rather than report fairly like a real journalist.

 

[AuH20]

That's a load of BS and you know it.

Beck clearly isn't speaking truth here. He's hyperbolizing and spinning and painting a narrative. That's what pundits do.

So I don't give a crap what Beck actually thinks, because he's making collectivists generalizations to the public that paint us in a negative light, rather than report fairly like a real journalist.

Not really. Rand Paul was pummeled mercilessly, including death threats for making an endorsement. And he is Ron's son for Christ's sake. What do you think an unaffiliated Beck received??? We tend to make these comfortable judgments in our little ideological bubble without all the facts.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's a load of BS and you know it.

Actually, no, I don't think so.

Beck clearly isn't speaking truth here. He's hyperbolizing and spinning and painting a narrative. That's what pundits do.

So I don't give a crap what Beck actually thinks, because he's making collectivists generalizations to the public that paint us in a negative light, rather than report fairly like a real journalist.

Yes, Beck is spinning a narrative. But, there have also been some who have made it abundantly easy to do. Actions have consequences. Even when they come from some of us.

 

[Carlybee]

Beck deserves everything he gets and then some

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

CaptLou, please don't make excuses for him based on "context"...what can be an acceptable context to label a group of people as "terrorists" in today's hyper-sensitive climate?

Is this the clip you are referencing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIDDc8UodYQ

Not Beck's best moment for sure and he deserved to be criticized because of it. But to be perfectly honest with you, I never understood the obsession with the whole Guy Fawkes Day thing.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Actually, no, I don't think so.



Yes, Beck is spinning a narrative. But, there have also been some who have made it abundantly easy to do. Actions have consequences. Even when they come from some of us.

Good grief, LE.

 

[TheGrinch]

Not really. Rand Paul was pummeled mercilessly, including death threats for making an endorsement. And he is Ron's sonfor Christ's sake. What do you think Beck received??? We tend to make these comfortable judgments in our little ideological bubbles without all the facts.

Ummm, that was a much more sensitive matter for very obvious reasons that had everyone's emotions running high. People (rightly or wrongly) expected much more out of Rand, and some saw it as a great betrayal... Plus it was a fringe minority who made threats, so I don't think that's worthy of generalizing either.

I can assure you that Beck and Limbaugh aren't receiving death threats from Ron Paul people for spewing the same BS they always do...

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

We have some verifiable lunatics in our camp who see lizard people in their sleep.

You aren't serious are you?

 

[AuH20]

Ummm, that was a much more sensitive matter for very obvious reasons that had everyone's emotions running high. People (rightly or wrongly) expected much more out of Rand, and some saw it as a great betrayal... Plus it was a fringe minority who made threats, so I don't think that's worthy of generalizing either.

I can assure you that Beck and Limbaugh aren't receiving death threats from Ron Paul people for spewing the same BS they always do...

The anonymity of the internet feeds into this devil may care attitude and it contibutes to this rabid lack of civility. For all the positive energy and ethusiasm our movement brings to the table there is an element that is bordeline fanatical. It's a double edged sword and we've seen it unravel numerous times in the public square (e.g. chasing down Hannity and pelting him with snowballs, the boorish, uncouth behavior at political events, etc.).

 

[AuH20]

You aren't serious are you?

I was being facetious but...