Glenn Beck has "had it up to here" with us (Ron Paul Supporters)

No. I'm only responsible for my own actions. I do not accept the idea that I'm responsible for the actions of anyone else. That's the only reasonable answer to those who would like to smear all RP supporters based on the actions of a few.

That's all nice and everything and of course that is the way it SHOULD be looked at, but the reality is that most people don't view it that way. In politics, perception is everything. To not acknowledge that is being more than naive.

Don't get defensive, LE...no reason to get defensive unless I struck a nerve, right?

I could say the same thing about your...

Good grief, LE.
 
LOL Glenn's latest facebook post says (summarizing) "Despite all evidence that states otherwise, I know that Romney will win this election!"
 
Well take Obama for example. I disagree with virtually everything that has come out of his mouth. I do think he is the worst President during my lifetime, if not ever. But I do respect the man for his beliefs, I think he is completely wrong, but I won't go to the point of calling him foul names like some do, because I don't feel that is proper.

Maybe respect isn't the best word, maybe decorum would be a better term to use.

Ahh...decorum would definitely be a generational as well as regional matter. Rules of decorum are often used by the abusive to stifle legitimate argument of their poor conduct. There is a difference in focusing upon the harm a person's actions have caused and being unduly disrespectful.
 
We'll see. They're both in the infancy of their political careers. Both Rand and Amash have gotten off to a very good start, but Rand's endorsement disappointed me...there's time for him to redeem himself, however.

Thanks to Ron Paul, my standards are high. I don't intend to lower them for the sake of another "good" politician anytime soon. If that means I miss an election or two, so be it.

That's fair. But, for me, I know that no one person is ever like another and I doubt we see another one like Ron Paul in our lifetimes, anyway. That doesn't mean that there won't be some extremely good people.

But, it will disappoint some, because some are looking for an idol.
 
Ahh...decorum would definitely be a generational as well as regional matter. Rules of decorum are often used by the abusive to stifle legitimate argument of their poor conduct. There is a difference in focusing upon the harm a person's actions have caused and being unduly disrespectful.

Are you implying that it is impossible to argue against someone's poor conduct without using curse words?
 
Ahh...decorum would definitely be a generational as well as regional matter. Rules of decorum are often used by the abusive to stifle legitimate argument of their poor conduct. There is a difference in focusing upon the harm a person's actions have caused and being unduly disrespectful.

Decorum? What decorum?

'When a meeting ain't running right, why, the thing to do is to adjourn, reorganize, and meet some time when the ones that are against you don't know you are going to meet.'--Will Rogers

That ain't decorum, and don't deserve respect.
 
Beck doesn't push fascism.

If he pushes Romney, he pushes fascism. He is not an advocate for liberty. When faced with a clear choice to vote for a pro-liberty constitutionalist, he wets his pants. If he wants war with Iran, he needs to focus on convincing his Congressional rep.

And he's not a proponent for neverending war.

A proponent for war is a proponent for neverending war. They won't come out and say such but the reality is they won't run out of enemies - real or imagined.

He has a religious based connection to Israel, which I personally disagree with. I don't see the propping up of Israel as a primary national security objective, despite what the Scripture says. He believes it is part of God's plan, which many evangelicals subscribe to. This belief doesn't necessarily make them evil people.

Acting on that belief with my tax dollars is evil. It used to be those that those who wanted a war overseas would drag their ass overseas and enlist with a foreign army. What was wrong with that system?
 
That's fair. But, for me, I know that no one person is ever like another and I doubt we see another one like Ron Paul in our lifetimes, anyway. That doesn't mean that there won't be some extremely good people.

But, it will disappoint some, because some are looking for an idol.
Not looking for an idol, just for someone with integrity.
 
Damn. I was hoping the site was haunted.

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Terrorists was wrong for sure. I forget the context of all that, so I can't comment on the specifics of course. Deranged, well it depends on who he is speaking about. If he is speaking about someone who supported Paul int he primaries, then that is wrong. If he is speaking about someone standing on a street corner with a Ron Paul sign today - well he has a point in that since the nomination race is over.

My Ron Paul yard signs are still posted out by the mailbox, and I fully intend to write his name in.

Am I "deranged"?

Beck is an entertainer first and foremost. There is no intellectual honesty in that, if that is all you are.

This, of course, explains why he is all over the map, and hold no logically consistent views.

Some folks have a visceral reaction to Alex Jones as well for the same reasons.

I happen to think that he is sincere first and then an entertainer.
 
CaptLou, please don't make excuses for him based on "context"...what can be an acceptable context to label a group of people as "terrorists" in today's hyper-sensitive climate?

That's where it crossed the line for me.

Calling people "terrorists" in today's climate is a dangerous game, with deadly ramifications.
 
Are you implying that it is impossible to argue against someone's poor conduct without using curse words?

No, I am stating speaking against someone is not in and of itself being unduly disrespectful. In many families with Old South values it is improper decorum to speak of others poor conduct and thus the tyrant can create quite a bit of a problem before eventually someone quietly takes the tyrant down. You are taught to bear idignities with a smile. I prefer the calling a spade a spade approach when it comes to people such as Beck. So the point to the Capt was that people have different pain thresholds for what they feel is proper decorum when dealing with someone such as Beck and sometimes letting rules of decorum define speaking out against improper behavior leads to dangerous consequences.
 
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Louie Gohmert (who was on Mike Church's show recently) comes to mind along with Walter Jones & a host of others in the House. They are actively being subverted by party leadership.
I am always up for discovering new heroes. So, I looked up Louie Gohmert's voting record. Sorry: he is subverting himself by not voting in a decent and correct way.

He voted against a bill to reduce funding for the South American counter-drug program.
He voted against a bill to repeal some of the unconstitutionality of the Real ID Act.
He voted against requiring declarations of war to go to war.
He voted for a constitutional amendment to ban flag burning.
He voted for restrictions on over-the-counter trading.
He voted for extending all Patriot Act police powers indefinitely.
He voted for NDAA.
He voted for FISA (warrantless wiretaps)
He voted for the Military Commissions Act.
He voted to violate Posse Comitatus
He did at least vote against TARP.
He just last week voted for the National Security and Job Protection Act (to avoid a small cut in spending, because of course the last thing we'd want to do is cut spending).
Has voted repeatedly for the Afghanistan War.
He cosponsored and voted for the Countering Iran in the Western Hemisphere Act.
The guy votes pro-war, plan and simple. That's a big deal to me, though possibly not to you, Goldwater, since your namesake was known for wanting to nuke everyone.

Then it's all the little things. He is co-sponsor of a bill "To require the Secretary of the Treasury to mint coins in recognition and celebration of the Pro Football Hall of Fame." Stellar job there, Louie. I can never get enough of politicians requiring bureaucrats to steal my money for useless things. He also co-sponsored making August 1 a national holiday (Eagle Scout Day), recognizing the 64th anniversary of the State of Israel, a Ten Commandments Week, a Ten Commandments Weekend, A National Day of Remembrance of Victims of Illegal Aliens, expressing the sense of Congress that the people of Baluchistan have the right to their own sovereign country, awarding Congressional Gold Medals to Shakeel Afridi, Raoul Wallenberg, and Jack Nicklaus, a National Baseball Hall of Fame coin, and on and on. All of this nonsense passed, by the way. Just think of all the idiocy he sponsored and co-sponsored that hasn't passed (yet).

On Dr. Paul's major recurring bills: Gohmert is a co-sponsor of Audit the Fed, so good for him on that. Despite being very interested in the abortion issue (co-sponsoring many, many bills on the issue, including nonsense like prohibiting pre-natal discrimination on the basis of race) he has never co-sponsored the Sanctity of Life Act (though your other guy, Walter Jones, did). Nor has he co-sponsored any of the other major issue bills: ending the income tax, free currency competition, medical marijuana, industrial hemp, ending the draft, "We the People" Act (reduce court jurisdiction), and "American Freedom Agenda" Act (civil liberties).

He votes with his party 88.86% of the time. Thus, if the Republican Party leadership happens to be on the right side of an issue, he will be on the right side of it. If not, then not. Unfortunately for us and for liberty, the Republicans are on the right side a good deal less than 88.86% of the time. I really don't see any enmity nor even tension between him and the party leadership. He votes with the party 88.86% of the time -- or according to OpenCongress, 91% of the time. Where's the subversion?

Note: the two reps he votes with the least often are Walter Jones and Donna Edwards. Walter Jones was showing up multiple times as I looked up co-sponsors to Dr. Paul's bills. This should give you pause. Perhaps these two are not as similar as you think.
 
The more I hear Beck blather on the more I feel he is controlled opposition.

Beck holds many positions with which I am in agreement, but when he pulls them all together, he sounds like a statist lapdog in paradoxical contradiction of his talking points. I would not insult my ass with his smoochie lips.
 
The more I hear Beck blather on the more I feel he is controlled opposition.

Beck holds many positions with which I am in agreement, but when he pulls them all together, he sounds like a statist lapdog in paradoxical contradiction of his talking points. I would not insult my ass with his smoochie lips.

Yep. Which, is why I've stated he almost seems like he's been "turned."

When he was on FNC, he began exposing a bunch of ties among the world's billionaires and what not. I think the further he went, people like Murdoch said "enough." And I think that may be part of the reason FNC "fired" him.

Since then, he's almost gone back on everything and appears to be a champion of statist policies while continuing to claim he's "partially libertarian," and other nonsense.
 
I was told the exact same words by a friend (Joshua Warren who DE-friended me) on Facebook. If you can't Kill the message, kill the messengers (Ron Paul has multiplied)....End The Fed.

P.S. I was not even talking about Ron Paul at the time. I was letting him know that Romney, whom he supports, supports the NDAA... He got mad...oh well...some people just hate the truth.
 
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