Glenn Beck has "had it up to here" with us (Ron Paul Supporters)

[LibertyEagle]

LOL. Doesn't seem to be as many Beck fans on here now as there was in '07.

Probably not. Most of them were runoff. One of them was vechorik who made over 1000 calls for Ron Paul. Before you congratulate yourself, realize that those Glenn Beck listeners are low-hanging fruit for much of the liberty message. They already agree with us on a great deal.

There are not enough of us. I wish some of you would realize that and stop making enemies where they do not need to be made.

EDIT: This wasn't aimed specifically at you, Phill.

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

Probably not. Most of them were runoff. One of them was vechorik who made over 1000 calls for Ron Paul. Before you congratulate yourself, realize that those Glenn Beck listeners are low-hanging fruit for much of the liberty message. They already agree with us on a great deal.

There are not enough of us. I wish some of you would realize that and stop making enemies where they do not need to be made.

Excellent point, and something that I think needs to be emphasized over and over. You don't grow a movement by mocking everyone who doesn't agree with you 100%, and I see so much of that on this and other sites like it. I think there are three possible reasons:

1) Those who do so are socially/politically immature and do not realize that their actions will cause people to reject them.

2) Those who do so incorrectly think that there are plenty of other people out there that can be reached and therefore we don't need to reach average GOP voters. There are not.

3) Those who do so really don't want the movement to grow because they prefer to be part of a fringe movement, therefore if the fringe movement grows it is no loner fringe and fails to meet their desire.

 

[DavidK]

I'll just leave this here:

 

[LibertyEagle]

Oh great, Magic Underwear Man is back.

Who is that?

 

[phill4paul]

Probably not. Most of them were runoff. One of them was vechorik who made over 1000 calls for Ron Paul. Before you congratulate yourself, realize that those Glenn Beck listeners are low-hanging fruit for much of the liberty message. They already agree with us on a great deal.

There are not enough of us. I wish some of you would realize that and stop making enemies where they do not need to be made.

EDIT: This wasn't aimed specifically at you, Phill.

Bullshit. ( Had to do it. ) The Beck followers do not "agree with us on a great deal." There is some lip service to the Founding Fathers. That's about it. Beck and his followers are Israeli firsters. WE are not and that is a very big divide.

Excellent point, and something that I think needs to be emphasized over and over. You don't grow a movement by mocking everyone who doesn't agree with you 100%, and I see so much of that on this and other sites like it. I think there are three possible reasons:

1) Those who do so are socially/politically immature and do not realize that their actions will cause people to reject them.

2) Those who do so incorrectly think that there are plenty of other people out there that can be reached and therefore we don't need to reach average GOP voters. There are not.

3) Those who do so really don't want the movement to grow because they prefer to be part of a fringe movement, therefore if the fringe movement grows it is no loner fringe and fails to meet their desire.

4) Those that understand that there is a percentage of the public that will NEVER hear our message because they have shit between their ears put there by the likes of Beck, Hannity and Rush and knowing this don't give a flip about these people.

 

[July]

Probably not. Most of them were runoff. One of them was vechorik who made over 1000 calls for Ron Paul. Before you congratulate yourself, realize that those Glenn Beck listeners are low-hanging fruit for much of the liberty message. They already agree with us on a great deal.

There are not enough of us. I wish some of you would realize that and stop making enemies where they do not need to be made.

EDIT: This wasn't aimed specifically at you, Phill.

I agree....

I know I've fallen into this trap before, and I regret it... I almost wonder if this isn't part of the strategy of the media establishment when they go out of their way to attack or black out Ron Paul. They know it drives us crazy, and will whip us up into anger, which helps to isolate us.

I try to be more careful not to confuse Beck with his listener audience. There are a lot of listeners who might be open and sympathetic to our message, who might look forward when someone like Rand Paul is a guest on his show, etc. In the same way, I try not to confuse the establishment or party bosses, with the general voting public. How many Ron Paul supporters used to listen to popular MSM pundits before they discovered Ron and the liberty message?

 

[DavidK]

Who is that?

Exactly.

 

[Working Poor]

I am so glad he is fed up

 

[thoughtomator]

I'll just leave this here:

Jebus how the hell did that make it past the editors.... that's really creepy

 

[Bruno]

Who is that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_underwear

 

[CaptLouAlbano]

4) Those that understand that there is a percentage of the public that will NEVER hear our message because they have shit between their ears put there by the likes of Beck, Hannity and Rush and knowing this don't give a flip about these people.

Seems to me that would be the same as the second one I posted. If you don't think these people can ever be reached, then you must assume that there are a lot of other people that can be reached. I disagree. In order for candidates we support to win elected office, we need the support of not only hardcore libertarians, but the average Republican as well. That is how Rand, Massie, Amash, Cruz, and every other candidate that Paul has endorsed has won their races. Unless of course you think that of the 755,000 people that voted for Rand, not a single one of them was a listener to Glenn Beck's show.

Personally, I think the liberty message is a persuasive one when presented correctly. If we find areas of common agreement with people, we then have the opportunity to demonstrate our solutions for issues where we might have disagreement, and we can do so without mocking or insulting them.

 

[DavidK]

**** admin delete pls ****

 

[KingNothing]

"I AM NOT A REPUBLICAN! BUT PLEASE, VOTE FOR THE REPUBLICAN WHO REPRESENTS THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF THE IDEALS YOU EMBRACE!!!!" - Glenn Beck

 

[cajuncocoa]

That would be a useful clip. Remember anything else about it that would help us search it up?

Here's a video of Beck calling Romney a socialist from 2010. The things he's saying in this video are similar to the comments he was making last winter.

http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002651/

 

[DamianTV]

If Beck wanted to see what kind of response we make, dont you think he'd actually look not only at these forums, but this thread? IE, its a perfect opportunity to tell him to go fuck himself.

 

[fisharmor]

There are not enough of us. I wish some of you would realize that and stop making enemies where they do not need to be made.

Excellent point, and something that I think needs to be emphasized over and over. You don't grow a movement by mocking everyone who doesn't agree with you 100%, and I see so much of that on this and other sites like it.

Ok, so how many Beck/Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly fans have you two converted with this approach?

And how many Beck/Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly fans remain Beck/Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly fans precisely because the host mocks opposing ideologies?

Give us a list of successful converts, or else the evidence is against you. Until you can show us numbers, I'm going to remain convinced that you secretly like it when we take hard stands on issues like this because it means you get to come to this site and try to shove everyone around for it.

 

[acptulsa]

Note to Republican Team Players: Yeah, Romney has an 'R' next to his name. What's more, deer hunters wear camouflage.

You're either interested in winning or you're conservative. If you're conservative, electing Romney means you lose. I don't just mean you get someone indistinguishable from Obama. I mean fake conservatism won't save this nation. And if fake conservatism is in charge when it all goes to pot, then real conservatism gets the blame.

Pride goeth before a fall. You lost this thing during the primaries; we and our candidate were the only ones even trying to reach out to independents and swing voters. The only ones even trying to attract someone besides the two percent of the population who are still trying to fool themselves into believing the Dubya/Darth Cheney administration was worth a damn. If you win, we all lose.

Sorry if my straight talk pisses you off. It wouldn't if, deep down in your hearts, you didn't know I have a point here. Maybe next time you'll listen to us real conservatives instead of that Democrat owner of the New York Post, Rupert Murdoch (and his Chief Saboteur, Fox News).

Past time to figure out who is your friend and who is your enemy. We can't put this stupid, foolish thing over the top for you, anyway. We were promising you that we could deliver not only ourselves, but independents and Democrats disgusted with Obama the Fool. And we could have, if you had voted for integrity instead of for the Fox-approved idiot of the week. Because integrity impresses these people, as it impresses us, and this business-raiding brat don't have it.

You got fooled and now there's nothing we can do to save your asses. Even if we could stomach the crap you guys swallowed. Sorry.

These days there's the stand for something wing of the GOP and the fall for anything wing of the GOP. Only one knows how to impress the majority of voters in this country--the ones they call 'independents'.

 

[Spikender]

Watching Glenn Beck is actually what drove me to Ron Paul in the first place.

When I found out the kind of man Glenn Beck really was, it saddened me greatly. He spouts such great lines and seems genuine, but he ended up being just like all the others. I'm glad I stopped watching and listening to this turd, a turd who knows nothing of the very principles he speaks of.

Go ahead and whine some more, Beck. I guess he just can't deal with the fact that people with actual spines and principles exist. We're making him looking bad.

 

[cajuncocoa]

No. It just makes us all look like assholes. Returning hatred for idiocy neither makes him fail or helps us succeed.

Can't believe it took 59 posts before someone chastised us for criticizing Beck! There's hope for this place yet.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Ok, so how many Beck/Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly fans have you two converted with this approach?

And how many Beck/Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly fans remain Beck/Rush/Hannity/O'Reilly fans precisely because the host mocks opposing ideologies?

Give us a list of successful converts, or else the evidence is against you. Until you can show us numbers, I'm going to remain convinced that you secretly like it when we take hard stands on issues like this because it means you get to come to this site and try to shove everyone around for it.

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