Glenn Beck goes libertarian on Stossel

[compromise]

Regardless of what you think of him, he's had a lot of good libertarian content on his show recently.

Frazee of YAL was on a few days back, discussing education and foreign policy.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Alex-Smith-on-Glenn-Beck-discussing-education
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Antle-on-Glenn-Beck-discussing-foreign-policy

 

[robertwerden]

My opinion is, Beck is a policy microphone, and people will follow him. If he gets us more people to vote for liberty, the possibility of those people actually becoming liberty minded is good. We need higher percentages in elections, and we should welcome people like him who might drive actual supporters our way.

 

[jtap]

I'm curious what his next gimmick will be.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Beck: "I didn't like like any of them. I ended up supporting Romney"

This would have been the time to interrupt and say "there was an excellent candidate in the race who has consistently supported everything you now say you stand for. Of course, you know I mean Ron Paul. How can you sit there and justify supporting a candidate like Rick Santorum and expect anyone to believe you're serious about libertarianism?"

 

[sailingaway]

Regardless of what you think of him, he's had a lot of good libertarian content on his show recently.

Frazee of YAL was on a few days back, discussing education and foreign policy.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Alex-Smith-on-Glenn-Beck-discussing-education
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...Antle-on-Glenn-Beck-discussing-foreign-policy

IMHO he is trying to coopt Ron's youth movement, which is potent. It makes me despise him more.

I saw on twitter last night something about Stossel calling Beck out as not being libertarian, but I didn't click on it. Maybe it had something to do with this video.

 

[talkingpointes]

Where are the moderates calling Stossel negative and a jerk. Come on glenn beck is like 74% liberty, you can't have purity. Burn the souls of his shoes until he is honest. This is called checks and balances.

I love the smell of burning ex-neocon shoes in the morning. THANK YOU SOOO MUCH STOSSEL, YOU HAVE STEPPED UP YOUR GAME!!!! Sorry for the caps, this makes me smile cheek to cheek.

 

[compromise]

IMHO he is trying to coopt Ron's youth movement, which is potent. It makes me despise him more.

I saw on twitter last night something about Stossel calling Beck out as not being libertarian, but I didn't click on it. Maybe it had something to do with this video.

Maybe it was this DP tweet.
https://twitter.com/dailypaul/status/321892246007980033

It's about the same video as the one I'm talking about, just the topic was worded strangely and incorrectly.

 

[satchelmcqueen]

"ron paul is the mayor of crazy town." glenn beck.

Beck: "I didn't like like any of them. I ended up supporting Romney"

This would have been the time to interrupt and say "there was an excellent candidate in the race who has consistently supported everything you now say you stand for. Of course, you know I mean Ron Paul. How can you sit there and justify supporting a candidate like Rick Santorum and expect anyone to believe you're serious about libertarianism?"

 

[Slutter McGee]

How do you learn about libertarianism? Either you think you have the right to control other people or you don't. There is no "learning" in my opinion. He thinks the war on drugs is a personal issue but prostitution isn't. How can you acccept one and not the other when in the end they're the same thing?

Of course there is learning. My dad now thinks the federal war on drugs is a failure, but he isn't willing to accept outright legalization. He has slowly come to believe we should not be as active in the world, where before he was scared shitless of the terrorists. Of course its a learning process.

Besides, there is a big difference between an-caps and libertarian leaning conservatives. I guess you could say I unlearned some libertarianism, because I am not even close to an an-cap any more.

All these things exist in degrees.

That being said, Beck has screwed us over plenty. You don't have to trust him. But right now....he is only pulling people to our cause. And what cracks me up is the fear that he suddenly will pull out the rug...and all those people will leave. So what. Its a 0 net gain.

Who cares about Beck. I am happy he is coming our direction, but I am not going to get completely worked up either way.

Slutter McGee

 

[juleswin]

How do you learn about libertarianism? Either you think you have the right to control other people or you don't. There is no "learning" in my opinion. He thinks the war on drugs is a personal issue but prostitution isn't. How can you acccept one and not the other when in the end they're the same thing?

Exactly, you don't learn libertarianism, you discover it. The fact that it is taking him a political involved person this long makes me very suspicious. But he will prove to us come 2015

 

[Cap]

I am sorry, but I don't understand the hate towards Glenn in this thread. If someone admits he is wrong, and is willing to extend a hand, trust but verify. I think he changed a lot in the past one year, especially after Nov. 2012. I actually enjoy listening to Beck these days.

I can think of many, but this really sticks in my craw...Debra Medina.

 

[Christian Liberty]

When discussing the candidates who were running for president last year, I really wish Stossel would have pushed a little harder on why Beck didn't support Ron. That would have exposed Beck's ass for the poser he is.

On the issues Beck didn't even seem that bad (Granted, he was pretty clearly WRONG on banning prostitution, but he seemed like he was moving in the right direction) but THIS is the lynchpin for me. It doesn't matter if you get every little position right, while I strive to be ideologically consistent, if you support significantly reduced government, there's room for you in my big tent. Unless you support the guy who isn't even in the same country as my big tent. Therein lies my problem.

There's some truth to the "War on religion" thing but Rick Santorum was just going to pick different targets, and wage ACTUAL war on Muslims...

As for Ron Paul... if Glenn thinks Ron is not going to solve the war on religion issue, than Glenn had BETTER be voting for Ron because Dr. Paul is the only one that doesn't want to lock him up for the rest of his life for using those controlled substances.

This is also the reason I'll never support Bob Barr, I was willing to tolerate his idiosyncracies until I learned that he endorsed Newt Freakin' Gingrich. I'd find even Obama to be preferable to Gingrich. And while I can tolerate a "Last second endorsement" as it were, even Rand Paul endorsed Romney eventually, to endorse someone like Romney where all the candidates that have a chance suck is very different than doing so when RON PAUL is still in the running...

As for John Stossel, this is a minor point but does Stossel actually support gay marriage or does he support getting government out of marriage? While not a huge issue he's still wrong if he takes the former position, and apparently, Beck would also be wrong.

 

[camp_steveo]

I was a conservative before I became a libertarian. He sounds like he is going through what I did a while ago. I hope he brings the majority of his audience with him.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I was a conservative before I became a libertarian. He sounds like he is going through what I did a while ago. I hope he brings the majority of his audience with him.

I went through a phase kind of like that. In fact, other than prositution I'm not even sure he actually SAID anything wrong. I don't really have a problem with pounding your enemies if they actually attack you. My problem is not with fighting hard for defense, but with fighting hard for offense while pretending you're on defense. I have no doubt Ron Paul would be willing to use the military to defend this country too.

Its the fact that Glenn endorsed Santorum, which was never addressed by Stossel, that is my real problem. The ultimate endorsement of Romney is also annoying, although not as much so, Rand also messed that one up.

 

[camp_steveo]

I went through a phase kind of like that. In fact, other than prositution I'm not even sure he actually SAID anything wrong. I don't really have a problem with pounding your enemies if they actually attack you. My problem is not with fighting hard for defense, but with fighting hard for offense while pretending you're on defense. I have no doubt Ron Paul would be willing to use the military to defend this country too.

Its the fact that Glenn endorsed Santorum, which was never addressed by Stossel, that is my real problem. The ultimate endorsement of Romney is also annoying, although not as much so, Rand also messed that one up.

I think GB is just now waking up. I find it very difficult to imagine he is faking. He would be totally ruined.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I hope so. I could see it going either way, but I think he is waking up.

I wish Stossel would have pushed him on Ron Paul, however. If he admitted he made a mistake, than I'd let it go, but if he's still defending endorsement of SANTORUM of all people, that's something that needs immediate attention. That's far more important than his views on any single issue.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

People keep falling for it. It's so funny.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I've only known about Beck for a couple years so I wouldn't really know... I guess we'll see...

 

[cajuncocoa]

I think GB is just now waking up. I find it very difficult to imagine he is faking. He would be totally ruined.

It's not difficult at all for me to imagine he's faking. He's done this before.

 

[kcchiefs6465]

I think GB is just now waking up. I find it very difficult to imagine he is faking. He would be totally ruined.

I might believe that the day he sincerely apologizes to, and endorses Ron Paul as the only good candidate for 2012, apologizes for sinking Debra Medina, etc. etc. etc.

Good for him if he's coming around. He won't get a lick of respect from me until he mans up and acknowledges/apologizes for past beck-stabs. And for past beckery.