Glenn Beck endorses Cruz for president 2016

[cajuncocoa]

The establishment is no fan of Cruz just based off the comments from Kristol and others. The question that needs to be asked however is, how far does Cruz want to push?

Push in what way?

 

[cajuncocoa]

Rand's Veep?

I hope not. But I really can't think of anyone that Rand could/would choose that would satisfy me. I like the Judge, of course...but that's not going to happen.

 

[JK/SEA]

Beck's a 'skirt' chaser...

but hey, he's comin' around....

 

[Brett85]

Yes I read the tweet. If memory serves, Beck was touting Rand for POTUS about a year ago. Beck is starting his establishment shill process of slowly turning on Rand.

Well, no one thought Cruz was running for President a year ago. Apparently Beck likes Rand, but likes Cruz more than Rand. That's not surprising since Cruz's views on Israel and other similar issues are probably more in line with Beck's views.

 

[bunklocoempire]

MSM endorses: Anyone but Rand 2016

Opportunity.

If there is ever a time when I feel like I've got my own crystal ball it is when the MSM spews it's crap.

It ain't our first time at the big dance people. The MSM's Anyone but Rand has been, is now, and is the future. Use that knowledge to amaze potential liberty supporters. Tell them what is going to happen. You only have to be specific as: "The MSM will be biased against Paul until the end of the race."

Gain some converts with the predictability of the MSM -it's a gimme.

Opportunity. Use it.

EDIT: Oh, and fuck Beck. PITA describes my experiences with trying to help Beck's audience past their knee-jerk reactions. Emotion doesn't help the situation and emotion is a pretty big part Beck's product/marketing.

I understand other's mileage may vary.

 

[jkob]

My problem with Ted Cruz isn't "He's not Rand." Its not going to happen, but if Amash or Massie were to run in the GOP primary, I'd actually vote for them over/instead of Rand.

I'm honestly beginning to question if I was right to support Gary Johnson or not. I'd probably vote for him in '16 if we had another field like the 2012 field (Johnson, a pathetic constitution party candidate, a social democrat borderline socialist, and two Israel-first jingoistic warmongers) but I don't think I'd spend as much time trying to convince other people to vote for him as I did in 2012. Its still kind of a "lesser of evils" kind of choice.

But Gary Johnson at least seems to mean well. Ted Cruz is very good about being subtle when looking for opportunities to warmonger or glorify the military, but he's still doing so, and his loyalty is still to Israel. Just look at the tweets on his twitter page from a few days ago. Just look at his anti-Iran rhetoric.

This isn't really about Rand Paul at all. I honestly couldn't care less about him personally. He's our best senator and our best option, and I support him for that reason, but I would EASILY switch support to someone else if there was someone better.

I don't like Ted Cruz because he's not on our team in any respect.

I don't have a problem with working with anybody and everybody on specific issues. Ron worked with Kucinich on Iraq, and that was great. Rand is working with Ted Cruz on Obamacare, and that's great. But I couldn't support either Kucinich or Ted Cruz as a whole person, with all of the stances they have.

Cruz and Rand are both more hawkish than I would prefer but McCain and Lieberman they are not. Cruz believing that only congress can declare war and being against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is a big step up from what we had before in the senate. If given a choice between Cruz and Hilary, or Cruz and Christie/Rubio/Bush/etc then I'd support Cruz without hesitation.

 

[Christian Liberty]

I will do everything in my power to fight against Ted Cruz.

I have no doubt in my mind that Ted Cruz would start a Cruzade in the middle east, or elsewhere.

OK, anyone here who would support Ted Cruz, has seen Fr33's post which Sola_Fide just quoted, and will still support him, is an absolute moron and has no right criticizing anyone else for being dumb.

They are not in the liberty movement.

Period. Full stop. Done.

If that statement wasn't proof of who and what he really is, I don't know what is.

 

[cajuncocoa]

OK, anyone here who would support Ted Cruz, has seen Fr33's post which Sola_Fide just quoted, and will still support him, is an absolute moron and has no right criticizing anyone else for being dumb.

They are not in the liberty movement.

Period. Full stop. Done.

If that statement wasn't proof of who and what he really is, I don't know what is.

Amen, FF. If Cruz emerges as the GOP nominee in 2016, I'm voting LP or I will stay home.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Cruz and Rand are both more hawkish than I would prefer but McCain and Lieberman they are not. Cruz believing that only congress can declare war and being against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is a big step up from what we had before in the senate. If given a choice between Cruz and Hilary, or Cruz and Christie/Rubio/Bush/etc then I'd support Cruz without hesitation.

Is that just a "lesser of evils" vote (which I still have a problem with) or do you actually think he's a liberty candidate?

 

[Ender]

Beck's a shill and I'd take Mike Lee any day over Cruz.

 

[TruckinMike]

Not surprising. Beck is poison.

WINNER -- Understatement of thread!

 

[anaconda]

Well, no one thought Cruz was running for President a year ago. Apparently Beck likes Rand, but likes Cruz more than Rand. That's not surprising since Cruz's views on Israel and other similar issues are probably more in line with Beck's views.

Fair enough. Maybe I was too harsh about Beck. I like Beck quite a bit but I don't trust him a whole lot. He was just so wrong with Ron.

 

[eleganz]

I thought Beck was backing Rand a few months ago. lol

 

[Christian Liberty]

Beck's a shill and I'd take Mike Lee any day over Cruz.

Me too. Mike Lee is relatively quiet (Or at least, ignored by the media), while Ted Cruz is vocally pro-Israel. I'd be absolutely SHOCKED if Ted Cruz were our ally. Mike Lee I could go either way.

 

[anaconda]

Beck's a shill and I'd take Mike Lee any day over Cruz.

OMG Mike Lee is not getting enough love. He should be high in the polls for 2016, and he's not even on the radar.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Mike Lee NOT running it another thing in his favor.

 

[jkob]

Is that just a "lesser of evils" vote (which I still have a problem with) or do you actually think he's a liberty candidate?

Is it the lesser of two evils when you vote for Rand? I want a perfect candidate too but sometimes compromise is necessary in order to further your goals, I don't believe Ted would be a compromise down if it came to that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not running out there to campaign for Cruz but I don't understand the rampant paranoia some people have on here for him. I'm a lot more worried about fraud conservatives like Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio that the media likes to associate with Rand than I am real ones like Ted Cruz or Jim DeMint.

 

[enhanced_deficit]

Interesting that Leftwing Neocons like Alan Dershowitz, James Carville and Rightwing Neocons like Beck, Hagee praise him:

May 10, 2013
According to a May 9, 2013 story in the Daily Caller, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas came in for some praise from another unusual source. Alan Dershowitz, one of Cruz’s professors at Harvard Law, called the senator from Texas, “One of Harvard Law’s smartest students.”
Dershowitz dismisses suggestions that Cruz cannot run for president because he was born in Canada. Cruz’s mother was an American citizen, making him a natural born American under the dictates of the Constitution. He does suggest that 2016 may be too soon for Cruz to run for president, noting that Marco Rubio, the other Hispanic Republican senator from Florida, is also considering a run.

Dershowitz is known for his liberal leanings, albeit as an articulate advocate and an author of a number of best-selling books. Along with James Carville, Bill Clinton’s former consigliere, Dershowitz is the second prominent liberal to praise Cruz’s intellect and drive.

http://www.examiner.com/article/ted-cruz-praised-by-his-former-harvard-law-professor-alan-dershowitz

 

[Christian Liberty]

Is it the lesser of two evils when you vote for Rand? I want a perfect candidate too but sometimes compromise is necessary in order to further your goals, I don't believe Ted would be a compromise down if it came to that. Don't get me wrong, I'm not running out there to campaign for Cruz but I don't understand the rampant paranoia some people have on here for him. I'm a lot more worried about fraud conservatives like Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio that the media likes to associate with Rand than I am real ones like Ted Cruz or Jim DeMint.

That's a valid question. TC asked me recently why I could vote for Rand considering what I believe.

Ultimately your "Compromise down" comment is a good one. Also, keeping in mind that the President will, almost inevitably, end up having to compromise with a statist congress is important. You're most likely not really getting Rand Paul if you vote for Rand Paul, you're getting some mixture of Rand and the congress. Probably more of a 50/50 balance domestically, while on foreign policy the President has more power, but ultimately, its going to be some mix of the two. That's just reality.

Ted Cruz is actually getting up there saying Obama is "too dovish." Its one thing to distance yourself from Ron Paul on foreign policy because you think he's too dovish, its another thing entirely to say Obama is too dovish. I don't think Rand Paul would ever make a stupid comment like that, and if he did I wouldn't support him either unless he immediately retracted it.

Like most conservatives, Ted Cruz holds to small government, family values, and "strong national defense" which is really orwellian doublespeak for warmongering. You can't have all of that at the same time.

 

[Christian Liberty]

Ultimately, Rand still has time to convince me not to vote for him. I like the 2010 Rand better than what we have now, so take that as you will. All that said, as of right now, Rand at least seems like he can move us in the right direction. I don't see any of that from Ted Cruz. He has some good ideas on things like taxes and Obamacare but when it comes to foreign policy, he seems like he'd murder just as many people as a Bush or an Obama, and I can't have anything to do with that. And if he gets into the Presidency, I strongly believe he'll compromise on the domestic end moreso than the foreign policy end (Where he's already a warmonger.)