Giving credit to Huckabee - what could we learn?

[Myerz]

Can anyone say CFR?

 

[abbgt1]

In Georgia, his support of the Fair Tax made a big difference. He doesn't win without it. I'm a Fair Tax supporter if we HAVE TO collect that revenue for a period of time while shrinking Fed spending. He got the people in GA who normally vote Libertarian with the Fair Tax support (Neal Boortz gave him his endoresement which helped him carry the state......Neal finally had a legit libertarian to support in Ron but Neal is toomuch of a Hawk & he went with the pro-war / Fair Tax candidate)

Now the irony is that Hucks proposals amount to a larger Federal Gov't, he just has a better way to collect the revenue. I like RP's idea better for a flat tax at 0%.

 

[gjdavis60]

Huckabee is a good public speaker, but mainly he exploited an existing market (evangelicals) with a familiar product.

Ron had to create his base out of disparate factions of dissatisfied voters from other groups. A much tougher job. I don't think different tactics would have accelerated our movement significantly. We can "Monday morning quarterback" until we die, but unless our criticism is intended improve future outcomes, it is not useful, imo.

This movement has unlimited potential.

 

[FreeTraveler]

What I learned from the HICK.

It's easy to win. Wrap yourself in a flag, carry a cross, and sell out to the CFR.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross." ~ Sinclair Lewis

 

[robert4rp08]

He's personable.

 

[DGambler]

What can we learn from Huckabee? Well, let's have Ron call himself a preacher and go to churches as a guest "preacher" (we promise we won't campaign at the altar).

True story, Huckabee did this in Georgia... I had several people tell me during the exit poll... I was planning on voting for XXXX, but Huckabee came to my church on Sunday and preached and I just had to vote for him now.

 

[Mitt Romneys sideburns]

MEDIA

You guys seriously say he had no media coverage? They talked about him EVERY FUCKING DAY
. . .

"McCain, blah blah, Rudy 9/11, blah blah Mormon, blah blah, and someone like a Huckabee could be a possible dark horse"

::Next day::

"9iu11iani, Mccain, Romney has 5 wives. . . And you never know, one of the second tier guys like Mike Huckabee could move up."

::Next day::

"Rudy Reagan, John Reagan, Mitt Reagan, you also have some of the other lesser know candidates like Mike Huckabee."

:: Next Day::

"Rudy is a cross dresser, McCain is old and broke, Mitt is a Mormon. . . Lets not forget there is also Mike Huckabee."

::Huckabee moves to the front::

"Wow, where did that come from?"

 

[FTL]

Huck uses jokes to smooth away negative subjects. He can play guitar and make you smile even though your kids are being killed and mamed in a needless war.

He wants to make the parents think that their sons and daughters are fighting an honoarble war. People don't want to hear that all that killing was wrong.

It's just more feel good lies, just like preachers feed the sheep at churches to make people feel good about their wrong doings.

 

[constituent]

it just proves that the media can make and/or break a candidacy..

that people will vote how they're told.

but i think we knew this all along.... or,well, put it this way...

who didnt?

 

[constituent]

MEDIA

You guys seriously say he had no media coverage? They talked about him EVERY FUCKING DAY
. . .

"McCain, blah blah, Rudy 9/11, blah blah Mormon, blah blah, and someone like a Huckabee could be a possible dark horse"

::Next day::

"9iu11iani, Mccain, Romney has 5 wives. . . And you never know, one of the second tier guys like Mike Huckabee could move up."

::Next day::

"Rudy Reagan, John Reagan, Mitt Reagan, you also have some of the other lesser know candidates like Mike Huckabee."

:: Next Day::

"Rudy is a cross dresser, McCain is old and broke, Mitt is a Mormon. . . Lets not forget there is also Mike Huckabee."

::Huckabee moves to the front::

"Wow, where did that come from?"

and meet the press last week, "the final four"

and the press all weekend and monday/tuesday, "a five candidate race"
"down to five candidates" blah blah blah.

 

[therealjjj77]

Huckabee had very little money - way less than Ron Paul. Except after Iowa, he was pretty much blacked out by the media, too. He had little air time at the last debate, even. But, look at what he was able to pull off!

Obviously, his message to the people carried him. And, his use of some of Ron Paul's messages helped, too. But, has anyone here with some credentials done a serious analysis of how he was able to do so much with so little? Does it really come down to one issue: religion?

His meeting with Richard N. Haass back in September, the President of CFR. From that subsequent meeting, Richard N. Haass became his foreign policy adviser. And then Huckabee got all the media attention he wanted at no cost.

I don't think Ron Paul should compromise like that.

 

[ronpaul4pres]

There's a LOT of validity to that statement. Actually, I would go even further and say that he isn't trying to SELL anyone anything at all.

He is trying to teach -- or perhaps even LESS egotistically, to share what he has learned (and if anyone of equivalent learning gets to spend time with him, I would venture he would like to discuss and debate the MERITS of ideas around various issues.)

Truth be told, I think he rather clearly illustrates that he is someone who really doesn't WANT to be President, which just further demonstrates his intelligence (only a fool would really WANT that job.)

All the more reason he is the only one that is running who is therefore actually qualified for the job. (We haven't had someone like THAT since George Washington!)

Thank you.

I don't think, though, that one should run for the Presidency if one doesn't actually want to be President. That is a recipe for disaster. If Ron Paul didn't want to be President, well, we just lived the "disaster."

 

[dougr583]

This is a joke, right? Learn from Huckabee? You have to be kidding.

Huckabee is the poster-boy for all that is evil in politics. Well, one of the many poster-boys.

 

[MooCowzRock]

We could learn that selling out the principles that made America great gets you support.

 

[pepperpete1]

Media attention for free?

His meeting with Richard N. Haass back in September, the President of CFR. From that subsequent meeting, Richard N. Haass became his foreign policy adviser. And then Huckabee got all the media attention he wanted at no cost.

I don't think Ron Paul should compromise like that.

Do you know for a fact that his tv ads were for free? Not that anyone is paying any attention to the fact that all the broadcasters and licensees are to keep political files on all the appearances of the political candidates and allow ALL the candidates equal time.

They also are not allowed to offer air time to one candidate at one price and the others at another.

This can be found in the FCC rules and regs.

Huckabee is clever enough to pick up on those issues that Ron Paul received applause from the audiences at the debates and incorporated those subjects into his platform, NO IRS, etc., his web site is a replica of RP's.

I think that now that John Edwards is no longer in the running we should "steal" his Lee Iacocca theme, may be a good idea to get an endorsement from the man himself.

 

[wfd40]

Huckabee's campaign employed some VERY shrewd tactics that involved religion - mainly purchasing email lists and secretly campaigning through religious organizations that most of your Evangelicals look to on how to vote - we're talking people who barely watch the news at all, and that is a LOT of people.

The MSM blackout doesn't hurt Ron Paul as much as we think. There are a LOT of people who have no clue about the election - but they read their weekly newsletters or magazines from all these small groups, especially Christian organizations.

Huckabee is a VERY shrewd guy. He knows how to work it, and he worked it through the back door of all those little publications and email lists and got right into people's homes directly through the sources they trusted - which were not news media outlets.

That is what to be learned from the Huckabee campaign. The man knew exactly what he was doing. It is working very well.

This can all be condensed down to 2 words...
Ed Rollins

Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee scored a major victory Thursday when he secured the support of prominent GOP insider Ed Rollins, who will serve as national chairman of Huckabee’s campaign.

Rollins, who has struggled with recent campaigns, was known as the campaign manager behind Ronald Reagan’s landslide reelection in 1984.

In recent years, Rollins has been associated with K.T. McFarland, but he continues to be regarded as a stalwart of Republican consultants.

The fact that he would throw his support behind Huckabee lends the former governor some Republican institutional credibility, especially as he appears to be surging in the early states.

We passed this guy up???? Laughing the F out loud

 

[thuja]

one thing that would not be learned from him and his family is care and compassion for animals. i do not wish to see his name again.

 

[Thomas Paine]

The only thing we can learn from Mike Huckabee is that if you deliberately lie, cheat, steal ideas and deceive the voters, then you will win some GOP primaries/caucuses.

 

[Thomas Paine]

This can all be condensed down to 2 words...
Ed Rollins



We passed this guy up???? Laughing the F out loud

Ed Rollins has been long overrated. Bonzo the chimpanzee could have successfully managed Ronald Reagan's re-election campaign in 1984 given Reagan's popularity and Walter Mondale's boring personality.

 

[WRellim]

FAIR TAX -- the Penultimate TRAP!

In Georgia, his support of the Fair Tax made a big difference. He doesn't win without it. I'm a Fair Tax supporter if we HAVE TO collect that revenue for a period of time while shrinking Fed spending. He got the people in GA who normally vote Libertarian with the Fair Tax support (Neal Boortz gave him his endoresement which helped him carry the state......Neal finally had a legit libertarian to support in Ron but Neal is toomuch of a Hawk & he went with the pro-war / Fair Tax candidate)

Now the irony is that Hucks proposals amount to a larger Federal Gov't, he just has a better way to collect the revenue. I like RP's idea better for a flat tax at 0%.

You've all been DUPED then.

The so-called FAIR TAX is really nothing more than very nicely setup government TRAP. The MAIN people it is aimed at are the increasing number of "self-employed."


Consider Hillary's proposal for health care and the need to "garnish" the wages of people who are NOT insured.

Well, one of the MAIN groups of people who are "uninsured" (other than illegal immigrants) are the self-employed. Now how is she going to "garnish" a portion of wages from their paychecks... they don't HAVE paychecks.


BUT... under the FAIR TAX system... they, like everyone else would be paying that 30% (or higher) tax on everything they buy. AND, of course, getting that nice little "prebate" check in the mail every month (or actually electronically deposited into a government registered checking account!)

And when the Government decides that you've been a BAD LITTLE BOY because you didn't buy (and register your purchase of) an appropriate health care insurance policy (or car insurance, or pass your latest cholesteral blood test, or whatever the heck ELSE they want to check)... then they simply "suspend" the payment of your PREBATE. And if you've done something REALLY egregiously wrong... well they'll just have the remaining balance in that registered account "locked" (temporarily, of course) until you correct it in whatever fashion your overlords deem is appropriate.


Its so utterly and deviously simple it is ridiculous.

But YOU'VE already fallen for it, haven't you!


Understand, with the "FAIR Tax" and the "PREBATE CHECKS" -- they will have EVERYONE by the short hairs. "Don't be BAD or we'll take away your monthly check!"

Don't believe it? Just find someone who has had their CURRENT government check (for military pension, Soc Sec, Disability or whatever) subject to a "temporary suspension" -- how long would YOU last if you lost 20% to 30% of your income???

They would all but the most stouthearted and frugal among us "groveling" within 3-6 months, guaranteed.

And since it can all be done with an "administrative suspension" there will be NO NEED for any of that fuss about due-process or trial-by-jury or anything like that. Just a little checkmark next to your name in a database.

BYE BYE NOW!