Gingrich: 3rd Party May Clip GOP in 2012 Constitution Party Likely New Home

[donnay]

a republican win in 2012, a democrat win in 2012....its tyranny either way.

+1776

 

[TurtleBurger]

I'd love to see a lot of Christian conservatives come over to the Constitution party, but I'm afraid they'd bring their foreign policy views with them. I'd hate to see the CP turn into another interventionist nuke-the-Arabs party.

 

[Carole]

Maybe Thaddeus McCotter. Against the stimuli bills.

Except he has been fighting for the auto industry.

He seems closer to the Constitution than most.

http://mccotter.house.gov/HoR/MI11/Issues+and+Legislation/

 

[He Who Pawns]

I think you have the same false impression of the religious right as they have of you
historically speaking democrats supposedly are for labor and the GOP for big businness
christians started voting for the GOP because democrats became too liberal then they stopped voting for the GOP because they became globalizationist.
The christian votes may be the social conservatives, but they are the most nationalist and patroitic and actually know what the constitution and the bill of rights say. and they are the gop groups that feel strongly about supression of constitutiona freedoms and the 2nd amendment.
You can not use any term to classify them right now becaue they don not have an identity
except for this those who are still true believers in Bush and those who think that the only reason he should not have been impeached was because that would have really put Cheney in charge

The religious right do not actually understand or respect personal liberty. They tend to favor federal bans on abortion, drugs, pornography, etc. Sure, they might respect parts of the constitution, like the 2nd Amendment, but they are part of the reason the GOP has been dragged into the gutter. Nobody cares about their bizarre religious views or their attempts to impose those views on others through the power of government. The "Christian Right" also tend to be huge warmongers.

 

[Josh_LA]

Wishful thinking

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[acptulsa]

The "Christian Right" also tend to be huge warmongers.

Yeah. How do you convince them that to do what they know is absolutely the wrong thing on the face of it--support Israel blindly and do things that will encourage war--because Israel is in some way involved in the End of Times beyond insane--it is nothing less than playing God. And playing God tends to violate at least four of The Commandments!

 

[NMCB3]

Long ago I reached the conclusion that economic freedom and individual liberty will never be secured through the political process. The system is designed to perpetuate the system, the odds are clearly in their favor.

 

[acptulsa]

Long ago I reached the conclusion that economic freedom and individual liberty will never be secured through the political process. The system is designed to perpetuate the system, the odds are clearly in their favor.

I don't see anything to smile about there. I also say, give the Constitution a chance. It was specifically designed to allow for bloodless revolution. Specifically. And I do believe it is one of the first, if not the first, systems designed in this way.

And now that we are capable of having a stronger and more vigorous 'free press' than ever in the history of mankind--thanks to the 'net--we just might be able to pull it off. Pulling it off would save a lot of bloodshed. What have we got to lose?

 

[NMCB3]

I don't see anything to smile about there. I also say, give the Constitution a chance. It was specifically designed to allow for bloodless revolution. Specifically. And I do believe it is one of the first, if not the first, systems designed in this way.

And now that we are capable of having a stronger and more vigorous 'free press' than ever in the history of mankind--thanks to the 'net--we just might be able to pull it off. Pulling it off would save a lot of bloodshed. What have we got to lose?

I`m all for peaceful change, but the constitution had its chance, its a dead letter, an utter failure (if preserving liberty was its goal) at best a noble experiment that failed and at worst a coup that took generations to succeed.

I only put the smiley in because I`m basically a happy guy.

 

[xd9fan]

Christians and neos are bought so sold on the idea of foriegn intervention.
This is the "Constitution" Party's death virus.

IMHO all this shift is, is a shift from "conservatives that believe in limited Govt domestically BUT believe in massive foriegn intervention" leaving "RINO's that believe in big Govt domestically and too believe in massive foriegn intervention."

All this is is the limited govt domestic guys leaving the big Govt domestic guys. (but they all still believe in Big Govt foriegn intervention)

And good luck them on that party. It wont work.

If you get guys like Gingrich (who thinks he is a conservative) started seriouly talking about closing foriegn bases........I may start believing the GOP can get off life support. Until then......I wont hold my breath.

 

[acptulsa]

I`m all for peaceful change, but the constitution had its chance, its a dead letter, an utter failure (if preserving liberty was its goal) at best a noble experiment that failed and at worst a coup that took generations to succeed.

So, if we hit the reset button we can't get two hundred more years out of it before things get out of hand again? Two hundred years of liberty isn't worth the trouble? We need to launch some dangerous experiment rather than settle for 'only' ten generations?

You really, truly have something better? Proven better or looking better on paper?

 

[Elwar]

Barr was a consequence of Bardnarik.
The anarchist have ran the conventions up til 07-08.
Badnarik did so poorly that the swing vote moderates of the party took a chance on GOP-lite. They have done this only once.
Your attitude towards the situation is a bit over-blown in my opinion.
If you weren't there participating... and you didn't recruit delegates with you to vote for mary. Then you are apart of that problem.
Louisiana's delegation was split Mary/Barr.

Badnarik was the result of a split between Russo and Nolan. Russo was so paranoid about Nolan that he told his followers to support Badnarik. Nolan would have been a decent candidate. Mary Ruwart would have been a great candidate (she actually campaigned for Ron Paul and would have welcomed the R3VOLution, unlike Barr who showed his true feelings towards Dr. Paul during the campaign).

Who knows, maybe in 2012 they'll get Kucinich as the LP candidate.

 

[NMCB3]

So, if we hit the reset button we can't get two hundred more years out of it before things get out of hand again? Two hundred years of liberty isn't worth the trouble? We need to launch some dangerous experiment rather than settle for 'only' ten generations?

You really, truly have something better? Proven better or looking better on paper?

First off one day of true liberty is better than 200 years of tyranny and is definitely "worth the trouble" Second; the constitution itself was a "dangerous experiment" And third; we would be better off going back to the Articles Of Confederation rather than the constitution. I`ll take the occasional trade war between the states any day as opposed to the federal tyranny now inflicted upon us under the tortured constitution. Fourth; although I can only speculate on what the founders would do if they were in our shoes, its hard to imagine that they would try to go back to a failed system, ie. the constitution, without serious revision to the document, or more probably abandonment of the document for an entirely new system.

 

[moostraks]

First off one day of true liberty is better than 200 years of tyranny and is definitely "worth the trouble" Second; the constitution itself was a "dangerous experiment" And third; we would be better off going back to the Articles Of Confederation rather than the constitution. I`ll take the occasional trade war between the states any day as opposed to the federal tyranny now inflicted upon us under the tortured constitution. Fourth; although I can only speculate on what the founders would do if they were in our shoes, its hard to imagine that they would try to go back to a failed system, ie. the constitution, without serious revision to the document, or more probably abandonment of the document for an entirely new system.

Anarchist? Just curious...Also was wondering why you think of the Constitution as a "dangerous experiment"?

 

[acptulsa]

Anarchist? Just curious...Also was wondering why you think of the Constitution as a "dangerous experiment"?

Yeah, me too--I could see King George III or Napoleon saying such a thing, but...

 

[NMCB3]

Anarchist? Just curious...Also was wondering why you think of the Constitution as a "dangerous experiment"?

Anarco capitalist. I don't think it was but many federalists and anti-federalists at the time thought so. For entirely different reasons of course.