Getting word huck fans want to help our fight?

[johnpp2]

I was wondering, too, how Huck fans would react when they got a taste of the MSM treatment Ron Paul has been getting. It is clear they will try to eliminate Huck from the fight now, so I hope Huck's people will come over here. Most people who like Huck like him for the right reasons--they just don't realize he doesn't really represent what they think he does. Let's welcome them to the REAL revolution!

 

[Feelgood]

Is it too soon to put up a new forum welcoming Huckabee followers?

I smell a McCain/Lieberman ticket in the works, myself...

 

[ProfNo]

I have to give it to him, but Huck has also been the most respectful of Paul during the debates.

Even on the war, he is the "closest" to Paul in that he acknowledges that it was done poorly (although he thinks we need to "finish what we started"). Not only that, but he called Bush's foreign policy arrogant.

Huck really is the closest republican to Paul (aside from the religious issue, which I will let slide). They need to work hand and hand. Together they could create major damage.

Wishful thinking here, but if Huck agreed to drop out and endorse Paul, and Paul agreed to pick up Huck as a VP, there would be a real chance of making a huge dent on super Tuesday. Honestly, a Paul-Huck ticket would be very good (if Paul could change Huck's tune on the war) because Huck is such a great communicator.

 

[Pauls' Revere]

Paul/Huckabee ticket?!?!

This is why Huckabee needs to drop out. We've been splitting the vote with him since Iowa.

I'm all for a Paul/Huckabee ticket if Huckabee wants VP thats cool with me. I welcome anyone who wants to support RP. Even those from across the aisle. Tell them welcome and hand them some ammo for the fight! You know what we mean.

 

[EastWindRain]

A lot of Huckabee supporters are Christians. Well Ron Paul is a Christian to, so research Ron Paul, find out what he is fighting for, and join the Ron Paul team. Ron Paul is truly fighting to get America back. Long live America's Christian (Non-Zionist) heritage.

 

[Orgoonian]

Huckabee is not stupid. (Indeed, he may be the most intelligent of the bunch, not that I agree with his policies).
He surely knows McCain would never even consider him as VP.

He doesn't bring jack-shit to a McCain ticket.

To McCain, Huckabee is a backwoods proletariat... he's not in the same class. People seem to forget that McCain is a multi-millionaire WASP.

Huckabee must know he will have no influence at the convention... after this election, all that awaits him is, perhaps, being a pundit on Fox.

I do not know what Huckabee is up to, but within a matter of days, he will be as irrelevant as Paul has become. (in the eyes of the majority of voters).

I hope he does something outrageous.

But, I suspect that even if he endorsed Paul outright (or vice versa) the media would utterly ignore it at this point.

Actually,the Huckster would bring in the southern states,along with the bible belt,and i wouldn't be suprised if McWar tried to court him for the veep position.
It would be a very smart move politically.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

mccain and guiliani have been doing their "tour" today TOGETHER. I think that possible vp spot based on mccain getting the presidency has been taken by julie.

When mccain AND guiliani go on leno together as well as go to california green technology speaking engagements TOGETHER then you start to see what is going on.

Guiliani is touring WITH mccain so take it for what it is and who really knows.

So that leaves what? rommney and I know if him and the huckster got together he could lose A TON of credibility to say the least.

 

[Molly1]

I have gotten a few emails from local huck supporters here in my city wanted to join our fight for the greater good as we have a more structured chance at getting the country back.

There is a solid huck fan base that I never knew about here BUT hey they contacted me since they found my money bomb site (newyearsrevolution08.com) as well as then linked that to my meetup group I support.

Not sure if this is a solid sign nationally but this is the first time I have seen supporters start coming over to our side in support.

So there are another 167+ hucksters here who will be donating WITH ME tomorrow for our feb 1st money bomb.

Woohoo!

I have also noticed that there are now more huck fans in our forum trying to be nice and realize what has been going on.

I think people are starting to wake up to the manipulation now. I think they would have done better giving the huckster equal time because once they saw that bias I think many of them saw that "lightbulb" above their heads.

Many will be joining our fight tomorrow and from a very active source, the huck fans. I hope others are seeing the light as well and the easiest way is to simply see how they are tanking the huckster AND that ron paul is really the only one who can help us fight to take our nation back and let "we the people" run it once again.

Anyone else getting some huck supporters coming over or contacting you as far as meetup group admins or money bomb admins make sure and show them some great links so they can learn even more about these so called "conspiracies" like trying to sway elections based on media coverage and trying to reduce the choices down to 2.

We are getting a bigger base now everyone. I think what is happening is since we have been able to continue our fight even through all of this most of the hucksters have not had to deal with this AT ALL and are not ready or able to get something together in a few days.

The tides are changing and moving towards a free nation.

Imagine all of the huck support backing ron paul as well? We could easily combat mccain, romney, clinton or obama no problem.

I am overly excited about this and it goes to show you that a decently optimized money bomb site can pay off.

Here are some of my search results that I guess did pay off in this new huck conversion I saw today.

next ron paul money bomb #2 - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...hs=i7O&q=next+ron+paul+money+bomb&btnG=Search

ron paul money bomb #5 - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...cial&hs=QS4&q=ron+paul+money+bomb&btnG=Search

I am sure there are more but hey it was brought to my attention so I thought I would share the great news and hope more people start to see this as well.

We are only getting STRONGER

Show them this:



Christians Should Support Constitutional Government

Chuck Baldwin
October 30, 2007

I was honored to speak before the National Committee of the Constitution Party on Thursday, October 25, 2007 in Council Bluffs, Iowa. Today’s column is a condensed version of that address.

Daniel Webster is regarded as perhaps America’s most notable jurist. Webster said, “Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster, and what has happened once in 6000 years may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.”

He also said, “The hand that destroys the Constitution rends our Union asunder forever.”

Please remember that this is the same Daniel Webster who said: “If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instruction and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity.”

You see how Daniel Webster (like most of America’s founders) was a man with deeply-held Christian convictions. He believed the Bible. He was a devout believer. And he found no contradictions between the Bible and the Constitution. In fact, he believed (as do I) that the Constitution is the best safeguard for Christian liberty that we have.

When any constitutionally-elected officeholder assumes office, he or she promises to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. They don’t promise to represent “conservative principles” or to be “loyal to a political party,” etc. The Constitution is the contract between “We the people” and our civil magistrates.

When you or I hire an electrician or plumber to do work for us, we sign a contract for specific work to be done. And at the end of the day, I really don’t care whether he claims to be a Christian or where he goes to church or how religious he claims to be. When the work is finished, I want my lights to turn on and my toilet to flush. In other words, I expect him to live up to his contract.

When we elect people to public office, we should expect only one thing: that they uphold their contract to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States.

You see, adherence to the Constitution protects our freedom of speech and assembly; our freedom of worship; our right to keep and bear arms; our right to a trial by jury; the right to be secure in our own homes against police overreach; our right to witness for Christ in public, as a Christian; the right to own property; the right to not be deprived of life or property without due process of law; the right to face our accusers, and the right to keep government local and limited.

In fact, keeping government local and limited is the cornerstone doctrine of American government. In most nations, the federal government holds power over virtually every area of the lives of its people. Not so in America–at least, not in the America that was originally crafted.

Most of the problems that we are now dealing with socially, culturally, financially, etc., stem from America abandoning the basic founding principle that “the government that governs least governs best.”

Accordingly, America’s commitment to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness has been (and is being) systematically stripped from us–not by State legislatures, but mostly by agencies of the federal government.

Consider how it has been federal courts that have banned prayer in school, and legalized abortion and homosexual marriage. Even in the liberal State of Massachusetts it was the courts (along with a compliant liberal governor, Mitt Romney), that forced acceptance of homosexual marriage upon the people.

Today, we have federal departments and agencies almost without number. We have the Department of Education, the Department of Transportation, the Department of Energy, the Department of Homeland Security, the Department of Agriculture, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Health and Human Services, the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Department of Justice, the Department of Labor, the Department of State, the Department of the Treasury, the Department of the Interior, etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Each and every federal department and agency, in its own way and for its own purposes, to one degree or another, ignores or violates constitutional government. And as a result, they contravene and strip away the rights and freedoms of States collectively and of the people individually.

The result of this gargantuan federal monstrosity includes back-breaking taxation and over-regulation, which fuel inflation, stymie productivity, and invite foreign influence.

One only has to observe how President Bush is now appealing to the U.S. Supreme Court on behalf of an illegal Mexican alien who raped and murdered two Houston, Texas teenagers, arguing that his death sentence should be overturned and that he should be given a new trial. Bush’s reason? Illegal aliens should be under the authority of a UN “world court” instead of the State of Texas’ authority.

Observe how Bush is pushing for amnesty for illegal aliens. See how he has merged these United States into a regional government by signing onto the Security and Prosperity Partnership agreement with Canada and Mexico. See how he is pushing for a NAFTA superhighway. Observe how he and other globalists are planning to replace the U.S. dollar with a regional, multinational currency called the Amero.

Furthermore, virtually every administration for the last fifty years has engaged in an aggressive nation-building foreign policy. (Can anyone say, “Iraq”?) In addition, in contradiction to the stated warnings of our nation’s founders, they have actively pursued entangling alliances with unfriendly governments. The past three administrations in particular have deliberately steered our country down a path of multiculturalism, globalism, and elitism.

Pastors, especially, should fight for constitutional government! Do you preachers really think that there will be any room for the old-time Gospel when the globalists and elitists in the federal government have finished with their diabolical schemes?

Already, President Bush repeatedly tells us that Christians and Muslims–and all other religions–worship the same God. How long will you preachers be able to preach the narrow message of salvation, that Christ is the only way to Heaven, when Bush’s doctrine of Universalism is the accepted religion? And make no mistake about it: Universalism is the national religion of the United Nations, the European Union, and the emerging North American Union.

The Department of Homeland Security is already holding seminars for pastors, instructing them how they should ask their congregants to turn in their firearms in the event that the President declares a national emergency. How many of you pastors are prepared to become an instrument of gun confiscation for global government?

This is what happens when we abandon constitutional government.

It is not enough that a candidate says he is a Christian. Every politician I know, or have ever known, says they are a Christian–at least every four years. It is not enough that a candidate carries a giant-print Bible to church. It is not enough that he says he prays or says that “faith is important.”

The truth is, if the candidate is a sincere Christian, he or she will all the more readily obey his or her oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. After all, does not our Lord tell us that our yea is to be yea and our nay is to be nay? In other words, genuine believers are to be true to their word. How, then, could a true Christian make a promise before God and the American people to preserve, protect, and defend the U.S. Constitution and then turn around and ignore that promise? He couldn’t.

Therefore, a professing believer who is elected to public office and then ignores his or her promise to the Constitution proves that he or she is not a true Christian but a phony who only uses a religious testimony to dupe Christians.

Take the issue of abortion, for example. Ron Paul proposed the “Sanctity of Life Act of 2005? (and 2007), which would require that “human life shall be deemed to exist from conception, without regard to race, sex, age, health, defect, or condition of dependency”

The bill also provides that “the Congress recognizes that each State has the authority to protect unborn children…” And that “the Supreme Court shall not have jurisdiction to review …the performance of abortions; or the provision of public expenses of funds, facilities, personnel, or other assistance for the performance of abortions.”

In other words, Dr. Paul understands that Article. III. Section. 2. of the U.S. Constitution gives to Congress the authority to rein in an abusive judiciary and take the issue of abortion (or homosexual marriage or fill in the blank) out from under the jurisdiction of the Court. This means that should Congressman Paul’s bill become law, abortion on demand ends and Roe v Wade is overturned.

So, please tell me why, after having control of both houses of Congress and the White House for six years, did these “pro-life” Republicans in Congress and a “pro-life” President not pass Dr. Paul’s bill? Why? Because they really do not give a hoot about abortion, but only use pro-life rhetoric to dupe conservative voters.

In addition, those conservatives who have followed President Bush’s preemptive war doctrine are the ones who have abandoned historical conservative principles. Before G.W. Bush changed the landscape, conservatives–especially Christian conservatives–mostly subscribed to Augustine’s “just war” theory regarding accepted protocols for the conduct of war. Today, however, many professing conservatives have foolishly followed Bush’s “preemptive war” theory, which, before now, was practiced mostly by pagan emperors. As Christians, however, we should still subscribe to “just war.”

In concert with “just war” philosophy (not to mention American history), Christians should agree with Ron Paul’s approach to dealing with terrorists. He authored H.R. 3076, the September 11 Marque and Reprisal Act of 2001. According to Paul, “A letter of marque and reprisal is a constitutional tool specifically designed to give the president the authority to respond with appropriate force to those non-state actors who wage war against the United States while limiting his authority to only those responsible for the atrocities of that day. Such a limited authorization is consistent with the doctrine of just war and the practical aim of keeping Americans safe while minimizing the costs in blood and treasure of waging such an operation.”

This is precisely what President Thomas Jefferson did when America’s ships were confronted with Barbary pirates on the high seas.

If the United States government had listened to Ron Paul, we would not have lost nearly 4,000 American soldiers and Marines, spent over $1 trillion, and gotten bogged down in an endless civil war from which there is no equitable extraction. Furthermore, had we listened to Dr. Paul, Osama bin Laden would no doubt be dead, as would most of his al-Qaeda operatives, and we would be less vulnerable to future terrorist attacks, instead of being more vulnerable, which is the case today.

How can anyone say with a straight face that they are fighting a war on terrorism while at the same time doing absolutely nothing to secure our borders and ports?!

I submit that every true American, especially conservative Christians, should enthusiastically support constitutional government. I further believe that a President who would take his oath to the Constitution seriously would bring a new birth of freedom to America the likes of which has not been seen since 1776. May God give us such a man!

© Chuck Baldwin

Chuck Baldwin is Founder-Pastor of Crossroads Baptist Church in Pensacola, Florida. Dr. Baldwin is also the host of a lively, hard-hitting syndicated radio talk show “Chuck Baldwin Live” This is a daily, one hour long call-in show.

To learn more about his radio talk show please visit his web site at: www.chuckbaldwinlive.com. When responding, please include your name, city and state

 

[HollyforRP]

I have to give it to him, but Huck has also been the most respectful of Paul during the debates.

Even on the war, he is the "closest" to Paul in that he acknowledges that it was done poorly (although he thinks we need to "finish what we started"). Not only that, but he called Bush's foreign policy arrogant.

Huck really is the closest republican to Paul (aside from the religious issue, which I will let slide). They need to work hand and hand. Together they could create major damage.

Wishful thinking here, but if Huck agreed to drop out and endorse Paul, and Paul agreed to pick up Huck as a VP, there would be a real chance of making a huge dent on super Tuesday. Honestly, a Paul-Huck ticket would be very good (if Paul could change Huck's tune on the war) because Huck is such a great communicator.

Maybe not a bad idea. It would be the Puck ticket?

 

[Dutch]

Two things come to mind when reading this thread:

1. Once more it becomes clear why it's important that Ron Paul supporters behave politely towards others
2. We should consider sending Anderson Cooper a thank-you note

Dutch

 

[Sarge]

Welcome to Huck fans.

They could have a real impact, in a short time, if they would spread the word, to find the Ron Paul delegates at caucus and back them up with votes. There is still time to spread the word and make an impact like they did in LA.

There are several states where they could make an immediate impact on delegate numbers and throw this thing wide open.

 

[bucfish]

Yes ALL are welcome here. Welcome Huckabee supporters I hope we can bring your passion and support to help us win many victories on Super Tuesday. Remember WE are all in this together.

 

[charger]

Huck is the enemy. He is running only to take support away from the true conservative.
Their are many who hate McCain and if Huck runs as a third wheel it stops some of Ron Pauls momentum.

 

[Archie]

Ron Paul gave the green light to go to Invade Afganistan and "get the bad" guys and huck gave the green light to "go get the bad guys" in iraq so There not world's apart really they just dis-agree on How to get "the bad guys" and "where the most bad guys are that attacked america" And Even Huck has said he Agree's with Ron Paul that hes right in saying "100 years in iraq presence is wrong and we need to get them out as soon as possible" Huck just does differ's in that he "Wants leave but try and have victory" Ron Paul just wants to "cut the losses" and just come home with or without victory. I think though Hucks Supporter's see that Ron Pauls honesty and truth about iraq is a harsh pill to swallow but they do see it as sincere and Even Huck to a certian extent WAY MORE then McCAin agree with Ron Paul on "being more careful about starting wars"

Huck is a politician at the end of the day as everyone else is but his Supporters are not so against RP's ideas alot of the time because there "beyond politic's" and thats why he can win over people to his side when they had the opposite view at one time before.

How many Other candidates can say that they have "Pro-war supporter's,Anti-War supporters,Pro-Gun supporters,anti-gun supporters and even Big gov't social liberal supporters and Paleo small govt supporters" I dont think that any other candidate's supporters are so diverse but the one thing all RP supporters Agree on is that They want More Honest talking politicians in this day of deceptions and flip floping crapola, they see Ron Paul as the "lesser evil" and a breath of fresh air in the world of dirty politics and thats why even if Ron Paul supporters dis-agree on major social and economic issues .

The idea of "truth and honesty" that Ron Paul brings to both Leftist's and Rightwingers Cuts through all the Political left/right squabble's . Sure I wish RP Pandered Less to the Left and more to the old paleo right but I understand RP's strategy in lending a hand to the "antiwar Leftist" who needs to start to understand why "small gov't" is more compasionate then "Big gov't socialism" is for the Poor and working class and in issues of Forign policy .

But at the end of the day I may not agree with this strategy of Paul courting leftists but I understand why he does it and see that he is sincere in doing it not just for the "short term" gain but for the long term which is really more important then any one election.

Anway I say that we focus on courting the Rightwing a little bit more to even things out so people dont just look at RP as trying to win "cheap leftwing anti-war votes" Thats not what Rightwinger's should think of Paul as and will not help him win the republican nomination or even a third party ticket in 08. Im Amazed at how many times I read that there are "pro-war" types who are indeed supporting Ron Paul in 08 and for the sake of the Country's future put there 10% differnece in opinion on whether to "cut n run" or "try and finsih the job" in iraq aside and just focus on the 90% that Dr.Paul and the Pro-war supporters agree on just like the Leftist they are against Ron Paul on 90% oh his "conservative/paleo small gov't" ideas but put it aside because they agree on the "Cut n Run" stance in iraq as RP does. So everyone should be happy that Ron Paul is just not a "one Trick pony" Unlike UMM Say JOHN McCAin is HAHAAA

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

I am not voting for the republican party buddy,

I am voting for RON PAUL and if they want to paint him as anything WHO CARES.

I think everyone in the republican party is WRONG on their views and "conservative"? PLEASE.....

I think you need to stop thinking rightwing vs. leftwing and start looking at which CANDIDATE can help the country.

Anway I say that we focus on courting the Rightwing a little bit more to even things out so people dont just look at RP as trying to win "cheap leftwing anti-war votes" Thats not what Rightwinger's should think of Paul as..

 

[trout007]

This message that Ron Paul is trying to spread is really a red pill. It isn't like most issues that you can flip and flop on. It's not like I was for the war until it was going badly then I was against it. The message of liberty is different. Once you understand why liberty works you cannot go back. Your brain is just not able to forget what you have learned because it is the eternal truth. So I have no problem with people who previously had different philosophies joining this movement.

I used to be a neo-con 10 years ago. The great Harry Browne introduced me to message of liberty. It then all clicked in place. It's like any education. You can sit and marvel at a machine and think it is magic. But if you take the time to study the physics and math behind it it all makes sense. You can see how it works and why and predict what will happen next any why. Once you understand Austrian Economics and Liberty you can see the "why" very clearly and you know what is in store for us.

This I think is also a reason some of us appear aggresive to others. Once you know the truth then you become desparate to share it and get frustrated with those who have not been able to see the truth as they wander blindly along bemoaning the world they don't understand.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

why not focus on the bigger pictures, how is huck the enemy? lol

either way we are behind OUR candidate ron paul and not trying to find enemies to fight against. If that is your plan then why not focus on that "hes against us, they all are against us" mentality and try and help get more people to donate to ron paul today so we can combat them in an effective way.

Huckster is not taking any conservative votes away except for those who "thought" they were conservatives. By all means ask all of these so called conservatives their actual views on a few subjects and trust me most will have ZERO TRUE conservative stance on most of the issues BUT assume they are based on what the media is saying is CONSERVATIVE.

Being called crazy and actually being crazy are two separate things.

Huck is the enemy. He is running only to take support away from the true conservative.
Their are many who hate McCain and if Huck runs as a third wheel it stops some of Ron Pauls momentum.

 

[SimpleName]

This is hilarious actually. It is almost like a "We told you so" type of deal. Funny stuff. But on a serious note, I am very happy to see Huck supporters realizing we are working for good in this country.

 

[newyearsrevolution08]

Exactly so lets keep the griping in the "other candidate" section and stop bashing people who are trying to help support ron paul.

Sometimes it amazes me how wild some people can be to other candidates supporters even WHEN they want to come and help US.

Sugar vs. Vinegar??? did some of you forget that??????

Lets keep this thread about the money bomb TODAY if possible and the b.s. comments about any so called "enemy" in the other candidate thread.

NOW BACK ON SUBJECT

I have seen a ton of new donators start giving today and I dont see it slowing down. Every brand new donator is another ACTIVE person whos eyes are now open and will odds are continue this fight with us.

I hope we can get to the 8.4 million ron paul wants by feb 5th and I think we can do it. We have 5 days to raise 4 million and I think we can do it.

With more and more huck fans coming our way I think they will really start helping this effort.

I wonder though about the $2300 limit is that PER CANDIDATE or all together??? makes me wonder.... It would be great if it was PER CANDIDATE because all of these new converted ron paul supporters from the huck camp can then remax out....

 

[nodope0695]

Be very cautious about this...don't forget, Huck is very different than Ron, and so are Huck's Army.

Yeah, they're pissed about the debate, but so what? We've been through that shit since the beginning, and we're over coming it.

I say they're flipflopping for political expediency, NOT polital beliefs.