Geraldo Rivera: Hoodie Wearers a “Menace,” Possible Murderers

[fr33]

I raged when I heard Jerry Rivers say this. The fact is it isn't the hoodie he suspects it's the race. He even qualified it by saying blacks and latinos should dress a certain way. Ohhhh so us king whites can dress however we want while judging the others... Hooded jackets have been around since ancient times.

 

[moostraks]

Like I said it is the nature of human beings. I did not make the world this way, but you continue want to blame me for human perception and the reality of the world we live in.

I stand by my post. If you dress the part you may be forced to play the part. That is the reality of the world we live in.



If the poor neighborhood is a high crime area then yes, if you value your safety. Do not openly expose your expensive jewelry and wear your pocket book over an opposing shoulder. Common sense.



There are neighborhoods it would be wise to avoid unless you want to take on racist people that want to harm you. Common sense.



Doing so on your own and risking your life is just plain stupid. Doing so as a protest with others, yes. Again, common sense.

The question of the well dressed is should the poor be excused for violence because of the wearer's coat. Not because they want to rob the wearer but because people who wear expensive items are those who abuse their authority and/or connections and threaten the poor's safety.

You have so many stereotypes flowing here it is just sad. So what type of neighborhood does a burqa racist live in? How would one go about knowing this? This is just as inane as a hoodie being worn inappropriately. I am still trying to puzzle the proper way to wear the hoodie.

Stand by your posts all you want I think your position is wrongheaded. Just because some things exist doesn't mean it is ignorant or irrational to want to change the status quo. An entire group of people was virtually annihilated to create this nation because of the type of hatred your posts have been giving cover for and some of us whose ancestors died have not forgotten. Some of us have faced personal persecution because of our religious choices that include a call to an outward demonstration of an inward choice. Again the problems we faced were because of the irrational fears of others that were given the type of cover such as you and Geraldo give to the paranoid fringe.

As for inspiring people to rise above their fears and you thinking it is stupid unless done with others..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. The fact that you think one should inspire people to embrace individuality by a group approach is just...bizarre. In a bankrupt society I guess it is becoming too much to ask people to walk a mile in another man's shoes before passing judgement or to expect that abusive people should be held accoountable for their own actions.

 

[kahless]

The question of the well dressed is should the poor be excused for violence because of the wearer's coat. Not because they want to rob the wearer but because people who wear expensive items are those who abuse their authority and/or connections and threaten the poor's safety.

You have so many stereotypes flowing here it is just sad. So what type of neighborhood does a burqa racist live in? How would one go about knowing this? This is just as inane as a hoodie being worn inappropriately. I am still trying to puzzle the proper way to wear the hoodie.

Stand by your posts all you want I think your position is wrongheaded. Just because some things exist doesn't mean it is ignorant or irrational to want to change the status quo. An entire group of people was virtually annihilated to create this nation because of the type of hatred your posts have been giving cover for and some of us whose ancestors died have not forgotten. Some of us have faced personal persecution because of our religious choices that include a call to an outward demonstration of an inward choice. Again the problems we faced were because of the irrational fears of others that were given the type of cover such as you and Geraldo give to the paranoid fringe.

You are completely delusional if you get that out of what I posted. I do not hate anyone and there is no hatred in my posts. I am just stating human perception and behavior. I do not see anything wrong with you trying to change perception of people that falsely stereotype people if the particular type of clothing and behavior is not indicated as part of gang or criminal culture.

You are not going to get very far saying it okay to wear whatever you want and that there will never be any consequences of that. It is just not how the world - human nature works. Wearing a burqa alone in a neighborhood known for skin head activity would not be a wise decision. Just like if a woman who walks the streets of a busy city scantily clad may receive unwanted advances, get her ass grabbed or worse. Walking into a bank with a ski mask you maybe mistaken for a criminal and someone who is trigger happy may take you out. Get it?

As for inspiring people to rise above their fears and you thinking it is stupid unless done with others..It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds. The fact that you think one should inspire people to embrace individuality by a group approach is just...bizarre. In a bankrupt society I guess it is becoming too much to ask people to walk a mile in another man's shoes before passing judgement or to expect that abusive people should be held accoountable for their own actions.

Going into a high crime area and not taking precautions in how you behave or dress is foolish. Safety in numbers. Your quote above is completely irrelevant to what I posted.

 

[moostraks]

You are completely delusional if you get that out of what I posted. I do not hate anyone and there is no hatred in my posts. I am just stating human perception and behavior. I do not see anything wrong with you trying to change perception of people that falsely stereotype people if the particular type of clothing and behavior is not indicated as part of gang or criminal culture.

You are not going to get very far saying it okay to wear whatever you want and that there will never be any consequences of that. It is just not how the world - human nature works. Wearing a burqa alone in a neighborhood known for skin head activity would not be a wise decision. Just like if a woman who walks the streets of a busy city scantily clad may receive unwanted advances, get her ass grabbed or worse. Walking into a bank with a ski mask you maybe mistaken for a criminal and someone who is trigger happy may take you out. Get it?



Going into a high crime area and not taking precautions in how you behave or dress is foolish. Safety in numbers. Your quote above is completely irrelevant to what I posted.

Aah now I have climbed the ranks to delusional. I didn't say you hated people I said your position provides cover for those who hate.Good reading comprehension truly is becoming a lost art I believe. I think you are standing by a contemptible position by blaming the victim. Many of the deepest set hatreds are held by those who look so called "normal" and live in the "middle class" neighborhoods. Santorum's blah video is perfect evidence of this.

SO I will repeat so you understand me clearly, "I have contempt for those who, like you think, it is the victim's fault when someone allows their biases to cloud their judgement and then moralizes to others how they should be catered to rather than ostracized for their repugnant and dangerous beliefs..."Abusive people are pathetic cowards lacking character and should be called out for their beliefs and behavior.

 

[kahless]

Aah now I have climbed the ranks to delusional. I didn't say you hated people I said your position provides cover for those who hate.Good reading comprehension truly is becoming a lost art I believe. I think you are standing by a contemptible position by blaming the victim. Many of the deepest set hatreds are held by those who look so called "normal" and live in the "middle class" neighborhoods. Santorum's blah video is perfect evidence of this.

SO I will repeat so you understand me clearly, "I have contempt for those who, like you think, it is the victim's fault when someone allows their biases to cloud their judgement and then moralizes to others how they should be catered to rather than ostracized for their repugnant and dangerous beliefs..."Abusive people are pathetic cowards lacking character and should be called out for their beliefs and behavior.

I do not blame the victim, again see underlined quotes below. How many times do I have to say it. The fact you keep claiming I am stating otherwise tells me that you are so outraged you cannot post rationally or are delusional.

I am saying it is a safety risk to behave and dress in a manner that scares the crap out of people.

I would have them wear a hood or hoodie in such a way that does not make them look like they are a gangsta to keep them out of unintended trouble.

If I am dressed in an unusual manner in a neighborhood that would arise suspicion then I can expect problems. The same goes for any society. That is life and the nature of human beings. I am not saying people that do so deserved to be harmed. I am saying they are risking their safety.

I do not condone shooting others based on their clothing. That is just ridiculous, and believe you are so outraged about this case you cannot post rationally.

Just to be clear, I do not condone shooting people because of the way they are dressed. I am saying if you dress the part you risk having to play the part. If you do not want to risk your safety then do not do it.

The risk to his safety increases depending on the neighborhood he visits, the way he carries himself, his age and stature, the type of hood, how he wears it, when he wears it, etc..

 

[moostraks]

Give it a few years and add height and weight then trouble will find him. Just like a woman going out dressing like a prostitute is going to be subject to unwanted advances or worse.

I would have them wear a hood or hoodie in such a way that does not make them look like they are a gangsta to keep them out of unintended trouble.

You are going to deny that worn a certain way it appears the person is of a criminal element, oh please. What is next, saying that it is safe to wear gang colors in the rival gang colored neighborhood and then be shocked that someone would provoke a fight with me?

Perception is a fact of life no matter what society you live in. If you intentionally dress in a manner where it scares the society you live in then you can expect unintended consequences.

If I am dressed in an unusual manner in a neighborhood that would arise suspicion then I can expect problems. The same goes for any society. That is life and the nature of human beings.

It is just the way the world is and it is ignorant of you deny the way this world works. You can continue to do so or promote others to do so you put yourself and others at risk by those that will seek to harm you because of it. It is the nature of human beings in all societies.

Depends on the type of hood, how it is worn and age of the person. You want to take the risk in the wrong neighborhood I do not see how Geraldo or Foxnews is limiting you freedom take that risk to your safety.

I do not blame the victim, again see underlined quotes below. How many times do I have to say it. The fact you keep claiming I am stating otherwise tells me that you are so outraged you cannot post rationally or are delusional.

I am saying it is a safety risk to behave and dress in a manner that scares the crap out of people.

See the above quotes... It is called blame shifting. I am not irrational or delusional save your comments for someone who can be manipulated by your viscious, disparaging commentary. You are part of the problem when you tacitly condone abuse and violence because people do not comply with indulging the needs of the abusive and the violent. No one is entitled to attack another person because they look different. No matter how hard a victim tries to comply there will always be a higher bar expected by those who blame shift. The problem is not the victim but those who do not practice self control. This goes for those who you think should expect to be raped to those you think should expect to be physically harmed because they did not comply with another person's subjective dress code.

The safety risk is not the victim's fault but the responsibility of those who commit an act of violence upon another because they look different from what the violent person normally associates with...

 

[oyarde]

I agree ,Geraldo would look scary in a hoodie .

 

[kahless]

See the above quotes... It is called blame shifting.

Not blaming anyone. I stated a fact of life and your replies only confirm there are people like that out there whom you must take safety precautions in order to protect yourself from harm.

I am not irrational or delusional save your comments for someone who can be manipulated by your viscious, disparaging commentary. You are part of the problem when you tacitly condone abuse and violence because people do not comply with indulging the needs of the abusive and the violent.

I NEVER condoned abuse and violence. This is why I believe you are delusional since you keep ignoring my repeated posts which state: "I am not saying people that do so deserved to be harmed. I am saying they are risking their safety...." because people will harm them if they do not take safety precautions. Big difference, but of course you selectively removed those comments from some of my quotes.

No one is entitled to attack another person because they look different

I agree. It is a sad fact of life that there are people whom will which is the point I was making to protect yourself from those people.

No matter how hard a victim tries to comply there will always be a higher bar expected by those who blame shift. The problem is not the victim but those who do not practice self control.

I agree.

This goes for those who you think should expect to be raped to those you think should expect to be physically harmed because they did not comply with another person's subjective dress code.

Of course they should not be raped. I do not think that at all and was pretty clear to state otherwise. The reality is a scantily clad woman in a high crime area puts her safety at higher risk if she chooses to do so. I am not saying it is right but that is the reality of the world we live in.

The safety risk is not the victim's fault but the responsibility of those who commit an act of violence upon another because they look different from what the violent person normally associates with...

So you agree with me that it is not the victims fault but you intentionally mis-characterize all my posts as stating the opposite. It a person uses common sense by not strolling through a crime ridden area with expensive jewelery showing or dressing like a gang member they can avoid becoming a victim.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

You two need to get a room

 

[moostraks]

Not blaming anyone. I stated a fact of life and your replies only confirm there are people like that out there whom you must take safety precautions in order to protect yourself from harm.



I NEVER condoned abuse and violence. This is why I believe you are delusional since you keep ignoring my repeated posts which state: "I am not saying people that do so deserved to be harmed. I am saying they are risking their safety...." because people will harm them if they do not take safety precautions. Big difference, but of course you selectively removed those comments from some of my quotes.



I agree. It is a sad fact of life that there are people whom will which is the point I was making to protect yourself from those people.



I agree.



Of course they should not be raped. I do not think that at all and was pretty clear to state otherwise. The reality is a scantily clad woman in a high crime area puts her safety at higher risk if she chooses to do so. I am not saying it is right but that is the reality of the world we live in.



So you agree with me that it is not the victims fault but you intentionally mis-characterize all my posts as stating the opposite. It a person uses common sense by not strolling through a crime ridden area with expensive jewelery showing or dressing like a gang member they can avoid becoming a victim.

You are not saying they deserve to be harmed, no. I get that and have not stated you said it expressly once you clarified your oh so fine line you are walking on the issue...Your position that others should comply to self sensor according to some subjective opinion of attire tacitly condones that there is merit to this argument therefore one must comply or they should expect to be harmed. Blame shifting does not make this a valid argument. It is the crux of the problem and by acting as if it is a valid argument you are part of the problem. It is a hallmark tactic of abusive people.

The fact that you sum up you position by stating that if a victim does not do x then they can avoid being a victim is nonsense and is victim blaming. Abusive people abuse. The standards will just shift. Again, I am not mis-characterizing anything, I am pointing out which part of your statements imply this victim blaming and you seem incapable of seeing this. This is your problem, not mine.

There is a world of difference between saying that one should not walk through the projects dripping with jewelery to stating that I should constantly assess every garment I have according to what person may harbor some subconscious fear and wish to inflict bodily harm. You don't get it. The most dangerous people in possession of this ideology that a hoodie means they are a gangsta or a burqa means terrorist are in every race and social group. The only way to comply is to try and have some standard with no deviations. How is this a postion of anyone who supports liberty? It is completely tyrannical group think.

 

[moostraks]

Already did my time with people like kahless thanks!

You two need to get a room

 

[kahless]

You are not saying they deserve to be harmed, no. I get that and have not stated you said it expressly once you clarified your oh so fine line you are walking on the issue...Your position that others should comply to self sensor according to some subjective opinion of attire tacitly condones that there is merit to this argument therefore one must comply or they should expect to be harmed. Blame shifting does not make this a valid argument. It is the crux of the problem and by acting as if it is a valid argument you are part of the problem. It is a hallmark tactic of abusive people.

The fact that you sum up you position by stating that if a victim does not do x then they can avoid being a victim is nonsense and is victim blaming. Abusive people abuse. The standards will just shift. Again, I am not mis-characterizing anything, I am pointing out which part of your statements imply this victim blaming and you seem incapable of seeing this. This is your problem, not mine.

It is not "blame shifting", it is using common sense precautions to protect your life and liberty.

There is a world of difference between saying that one should not walk through the projects dripping with jewelery to stating that I should constantly assess every garment I have according to what person may harbor some subconscious fear and wish to inflict bodily harm. You don't get it. The most dangerous people in possession of this ideology that a hoodie means they are a gangsta or a burqa means terrorist are in every race and social group. The only way to comply is to try and have some standard with no deviations. How is this a postion of anyone who supports liberty? It is completely tyrannical group think.

No one is looking to legislate attire and I made that clear early on in the thread. A hoodie or burqa alone is not the problem and I described the conditions and places where one would use common sense to either avoid or not wear those items to protect your life and liberty. You are blowing the hoodie thing and my posts way out of proportion.

btw - I do agree that standards can shift. When they do you again use common sense to protect yourself or face risking your safety.

 

[juvanya]

At first I was siding with GRs son and supporting hoodies, but looking at this picture:

It turns respectable-looking black men into thugs.

(in same order)

I used to like hoodies a lot, now less so. I feel creepy in them.

 

[fr33]

Some of the most dangerous people wear suits and ties every day. Maybe that's why I feel creepy in a suit.

 

[juvanya]

Some of the most dangerous people wear suits and ties every day. Maybe that's why I feel creepy in a suit.

Certainly.

But that doesnt change the fact that suits look much more respectable than hoodies, and perception is frequently key. The fellow who wrote this article says he frequently wears suits so he doesnt get harassed or feared.

 

[cajuncocoa]

At first I was siding with GRs son and supporting hoodies, but looking at this picture:

It turns respectable-looking black men into thugs.

(in same order)

I used to like hoodies a lot, now less so. I feel creepy in them.

I support hoodies....and I support business dress as well. There's a time and a place for everything. In the top picture, suits would be a better choice. In my opinion.