Geraldo Rivera: Hoodie Wearers a “Menace,” Possible Murderers

[aGameOfThrones]

 

[anaconda]

Give it a few years and add height and weight then trouble will find him. Just like a woman going out dressing like a prostitute is going to be subject to unwanted advances or worse.

It is common sense. I have to agree with Geraldo on this one.

Are we talking about a sweatshirt with a hood attached? I believe this style garment goes way back before any of these people existed. Why should I let a group of punks dictate what I can wear?

 

[moostraks]

I am not saying that at all. Young people in particular wear the hood in a manner since they want to appear as part of a gang. Teenagers and young people have been doing this as far back as I can remember. It is a safety risk to do so.

I do make the rules of this world and neither does Geraldo. It is just the way the world is and it is ignorant of you deny the way this world works. You can continue to do so or promote others to do so you put yourself and others at risk by those that will seek to harm you because of it. It is the nature of human beings in all societies.

Yeah it would be ignorant to try a change society to be more tolerant of others./s

Your sweeping generalizations about youth are your personal bias and not examples of my experiences. Some young people are not part of mainstream culture and own these articles of clothing and should not be subjected to the fringe paranoid crowd that think shooting someone because they are different is merely an unintended consequence for which the victim should be blamed. You are the one who framed your initial response that way and it shows a mindset that feels entitled to make life and death judgement calls based solely on the article of clothing they wear. Would this be a legitimate argument if a man in a suitcoat came to a poor neighborhood and was shot? No...

I guess you would be okay with shooting women in burqas too? Should they just know better than to honor their religious traditions because some FOX type is afraid of them? Who should draw the line as to acceptable attire?

 

[kahless]

A sweatshirt with a hood attached? This goes way back before any of these people existed. Plenty of photos of athletes in the early to mid 20th century wearing them. Boxers, etc.

Depends on the type of hood, how it is worn and age of the person. You want to take the risk in the wrong neighborhood I do not see how Geraldo or Foxnews is limiting you freedom take that risk to your safety.

I corrected your reply below.

Why do young people let a group of punks dictate what they wear.

 

[kahless]

Yeah it would be ignorant to try a change society to be more tolerant of others./s

Your sweeping generalizations about youth are your personal bias and not examples of my experiences. Some young people are not part of mainstream culture and own these articles of clothing and should not be subjected to the fringe paranoid crowd that think shooting someone because they are different is merely an unintended consequence for which the victim should be blamed. You are the one who framed your initial response that way and it shows a mindset that feels entitled to make life and death judgement calls based solely on the article of clothing they wear. Would this be a legitimate argument if a man in a suitcoat came to a poor neighborhood and was shot? No...

I guess you would be okay with shooting women in burqas too? Should they just know better than to honor their religious traditions because some FOX type is afraid of them? Who should draw the line as to acceptable attire?

If I made any sweeping generalizations it was unintentional to label all youths as dressing like gangsters intentionally. If you believe I think that way you only confirm my position that there are people out there that hold such beliefs that will put others who dress in that manner at risk.

I do not condone shooting others based on their clothing. That is just ridiculous, and believe you are so outraged about this case you cannot post rationally.

 

[MelissaWV]

I missed the part where it was proven with any sort of evidence that murderers are more likely to wear hoodies than non-murderers.

 

[anaconda]

I corrected your reply below.

I don't follow. How is this "corrected?"

 

[kahless]

I missed the part where it was proven with any sort of evidence that murderers are more likely to wear hoodies than non-murderers.

It would not surprise me as part of criminal research profiling and training.

btw - Just to be clear, I do not condone shooting people because of the way they are dressed. I am saying if you dress the part you risk having to play the part. If you do not want to risk your safety then do not do it.

 

[kahless]

I don't follow. How is this "corrected?"

"Why do some young people let a group of punks dictate what they wear." I corrected it further so moostraks does not believe I am labeling all youths as doing so however it is quite popular to do so.

Young adults and teenagers that like to emulate gangsters, gansta rappers, etc.

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Anyone who wears a Suit is a gangster because gangsters wear Suits


See...

 

[cajuncocoa]

lol. My 12 yo son likes hoodies. He's neither a menace nor a possible murderer. He just likes to be warm.

Give it a few years and add height and weight then trouble will find him. Just like a woman going out dressing like a prostitute is going to be subject to unwanted advances or worse.

It is common sense. I have to agree with Geraldo on this one.

That's nonsense. My son is 23 years old (and a very conservative Ron Paul supporter) He wears hooded sweatshirts all the time. Trouble has not found him, and he has not found it.

 

[kahless]

That's nonsense. My son is 23 years old (and a very conservative Ron Paul supporter) He wears hooded sweatshirts all the time. Trouble has not found him, and he has not found it.

I should have said "could" rather than "will". The risk to his safety increases depending on the neighborhood he visits, the way he carries himself, his age and stature, the type of hood, how he wears it, when he wears it, etc.

Just to point out I am just speaking of hoodies in general and none of my comments are related to this particular case since I am waiting for all the facts to come out before commenting.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Haha.

+rep

 

[MelissaWV]

That hoodie-wearing mustache-sporting jerk looks GANGSTA right there...

 

[moostraks]

If I made any sweeping generalizations it was unintentional to label all youths as dressing like gangsters intentionally. If you believe I think that way you only confirm my position that there are people out there that hold such beliefs that will put others who dress in that manner at risk.

I do not condone shooting others based on their clothing. That is just ridiculous, and believe you are so outraged about this case you cannot post rationally.

You framed your responses to be read as such. So you frame your response and then when I address your response you say based upon my reaction to your response your position is valid? Well that there is some self fulfilling prophecy.

You also make sweeping judgements on people based on your perception of their life experiences too since you are projecting upon me that my reaction has to do with my "outrage" so I "cannot post rationally". Was it not enough that you have already called me ignorant so now I am irrational too. All this because I have contempt for those who, like you think, it is the victim's fault when someone allows their biases to cloud their judgement and then moralizes to others how they should be catered to rather than ostracized for their repugnant and dangerous beliefs. Again should burqa wearers not honor their faith because of the FOX fear propaganda that they are all terrorists?

Do you think maybe I have some life experiences where my family was treated with "contempt" because we were different and that that may be why I find your defense of this type of dangerous and illegitimate belief so offensive? No, I guess you just find it easier to pigeonhole me much as you do those gangsta hoodie wearers...

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Anyone who wears a Suit is a gangster because gangsters wear Suits


See...

At least he is honest about it.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

I should have said "could" rather than "will". The risk to his safety increases depending on the neighborhood he visits, the way he carries himself, his age and stature, the type of hood, how he wears it, when he wears it, etc.

Just to point out I am just speaking of hoodies in general and none of my comments are related to this particular case since I am waiting for all the facts to come out before commenting.

Sad but true.

 

[kahless]

You framed your responses to be read as such. So you frame your response and then when I address your response you say based upon my reaction to your response your position is valid? Well that there is some self fulfilling prophecy.

You also make sweeping judgements on people based on your perception of their life experiences too since you are projecting upon me that my reaction has to do with my "outrage" so I "cannot post rationally". Was it not enough that you have already called me ignorant so now I am irrational too. All this because I have contempt for those who, like you think, it is the victim's fault when someone allows their biases to cloud their judgement and then moralizes to others how they should be catered to rather than ostracized for their repugnant and dangerous beliefs. Again should burqa wearers not honor their faith because of the FOX fear propaganda that they are all terrorists?

Do you think maybe I have some life experiences where my family was treated with "contempt" because we were different and that that may be why I find your defense of this type of dangerous and illegitimate belief so offensive? No, I guess you just find it easier to pigeonhole me much as you do those gangsta hoodie wearers...

This is what I wrote prior to your reply to me.

I would have them wear a hood or hoodie in such a way that does not make them look like they are a gangsta to keep them out of unintended trouble.

If I am dressed in an unusual manner in a neighborhood that would arise suspicion then I can expect problems. The same goes for any society. That is life and the nature of human beings. I am not saying people that do so deserved to be harmed. I am saying they are risking their safety.

My first reply to you.

Perception is a fact of life no matter what society you live in. If you intentionally dress in a manner where it scares the society you live in then you can expect unintended consequences.

I find your reply below repugnant to my beliefs and mis-characterization to what I posted.

Death should not be seen as an unintended consequence for someone dressing differently from those with whom you usually associate with and it is pretty sad you would state it so nonchalantly as that. Dress intentionally to scare society? It is a protective garment. Shall those in the 'hood be allowed to shoot anyone in suit coats because they are clearly a threat to their well being??? Who shall be the judge of what fashion is acceptable? Do we now need a clothing czar? Good grief...

 

[moostraks]

This is what I wrote prior to your reply to me.





My first reply to you.


I find your reply below repugnant to my beliefs and mis-characterization to what I posted.

I took your post at face value. I responded as such. There is no mis-characterization. You only later added you did not believe they deserved to be harmed but that is what you think they should expect by your reasoning. I find your beliefs repulsive. You claim that someone is "dressing in a manner where it scares the society you live in then you can expect unintended consequences" because they are "young" and "want to appear as part of a gang". You couldn't get my motivation right for why I find your stance so repugnant and yet you think you can know why a young person wears a hoodie. Your responses are presumptuous and cavalier. I am not exactly sure how one could wear a hoodie to appear less threatening unless it were to not be used over ones head? It is a garment. The purpose of the hood is to protect ones head. Death is not just a mere unintended consequence, but the willful actions of one allowing their paranoid delusions to overwhelm their sensibilities and to continue to dig your heels in to claim it is a legitimate response because "is just the way the world is" does not make yours any less bankrupt a position.

Should a well dressed person dress down for the poor neighborhood? Should the women drop the burqa because of fear propaganda? Or should we inspire people to raise above their fears and not demand others to be a mirror image of ourselves?

 

[kahless]

I took your post at face value. I responded as such. There is no mis-characterization. You only later added you did not believe they deserved to be harmed but that is what you think they should expect by your reasoning. I find your beliefs repulsive. You claim that someone is "dressing in a manner where it scares the society you live in then you can expect unintended consequences" because they are "young" and "want to appear as part of a gang". You couldn't get my motivation right for why I find your stance so repugnant and yet you think you can know why a young person wears a hoodie. Your responses are presumptuous and cavalier. I am not exactly sure how one could wear a hoodie to appear less threatening unless it were to not be used over ones head? It is a garment. The purpose of the hood is to protect ones head. Death is not just a mere unintended consequence, but the willful actions of one allowing their paranoid delusions to overwhelm their sensibilities and to continue to dig your heels in to claim it is a legitimate response because "is just the way the world is" does not make yours any less bankrupt a position.

Should a well dressed person dress down for the poor neighborhood? Should the women drop the burqa because of fear propaganda? Or should we inspire people to raise above their fears and not demand others to be a mirror image of ourselves?

Like I said it is the nature of human beings. I did not make the world this way, but you continue want to blame me for human perception and the reality of the world we live in.

I stand by my post. If you dress the part you may be forced to play the part. That is the reality of the world we live in.

Should a well dressed person dress down for the poor neighborhood?

If the poor neighborhood is a high crime area then yes, if you value your safety. Do not openly expose your expensive jewelry and wear your pocket book over an opposing shoulder. Common sense.

Should the women drop the burqa because of fear propaganda?

There are neighborhoods it would be wise to avoid unless you want to take on racist people that want to harm you. Common sense.

Or should we inspire people to raise above their fears and not demand others to be a mirror image of ourselves?

Doing so on your own and risking your life is just plain stupid. Doing so as a protest with others, yes. Again, common sense.