Gerald Celente Predicts Revolution [Celente SUPER-thread]

Not so. When there is no money flow, the store shelves empty FAST.


Exactly. Keep in mind, a lot of farms are/or like big corporations now, in that they
operate on debt/credit. So when the banks won't lend to them or can't lend to them
they can't farm. No farm no food, no food... a mass of angry mobs trying to survive.

The Great Depression had a much smaller population, now we have baby boomers and illegals, with younger generations thrown in the mix. Also, I may be mistaken, but I don't think we were as well armed then as we are now :confused:
No there wasn't food riots to speak of, or maybe too small to mention. But our
society has fundamentally changed... We didn't have people shooting up half a dozen co-workers once a month either...

It maybe alarmist. But like my mom has always said. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. ;)
 
Is that piece written by Celente?? Who is TPS? And I really wish he would put links in his article or at the very least go into a detail about some of the things he brings up. Like:
"We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?" - how so? Come on, either give some sort of detail or don't mention it at all.

"(Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh of course."
- Yeah, that would be something where a link to more information would be greatly appreciated.

"In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again." - He doesn't back up ANY of this.

"(Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.)...Read your history books." - Nice. The complete opposite of a decent informative piece, basically saying, "No, I'm not citing sources, go do it yourself."

Is this actually the article by Celente because if it is, he lost a lot of his credibilty in my mind. Comparing Obama to Hitler merely by how they appear is a pretty reckless way to form a conclusion about a correlation. People don't form valid correlations just based on how two things appear on the surface, it's the underlying details you need to compare. I highly doubt Obama is going to round up Americans (much less millions of them) and throw them into labor and torture camps.
 
1920 census shows 30 percent of the US population were farmers.

Today, 1 -2 percent of the US population are farmers.

Just sayin....
 
Exactly. Keep in mind, a lot of farms are/or like big corporations now, in that they
operate on debt/credit. So when the banks won't lend to them or can't lend to them
they can't farm. No farm no food, no food... a mass of angry mobs trying to survive.

The Great Depression had a much smaller population, now we have baby boomers and illegals, with younger generations thrown in the mix. Also, I may be mistaken, but I don't think we were as well armed then as we are now :confused:
No there wasn't food riots to speak of, or maybe too small to mention. But our
society has fundamentally changed... We didn't have people shooting up half a dozen co-workers once a month either...

It maybe alarmist. But like my mom has always said. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. ;)

And on top of this during the Great Depression 85 to 90% of the people lived on farms or rural areas where food could be grown easily. Now 90% in cities. Good luck shopping right after one family of four decided to stock up for one year. (At your local supermarket including Waly World supermarkets but not including the Sam's, BJ's, Costco's of the world.) There'd be no flour, sugar, honey, dried milk, or rice and the soup and cereal aisles would look hurt. If they where stocking up for a grid up situation they the meat case would be hit well too. Now think what would happen if only 1% of the store's shoppers decided they wanted to stock up as well.
 
Is that piece written by Celente?? Who is TPS? And I really wish he would put links in his article or at the very least go into a detail about some of the things he brings up. Like:
"We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?" - how so? Come on, either give some sort of detail or don't mention it at all.

"(Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh of course."
- Yeah, that would be something where a link to more information would be greatly appreciated.

"In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again." - He doesn't back up ANY of this.

"(Look it up if you think I am exaggerating.)...Read your history books." - Nice. The complete opposite of a decent informative piece, basically saying, "No, I'm not citing sources, go do it yourself."

Is this actually the article by Celente because if it is, he lost a lot of his credibilty in my mind. Comparing Obama to Hitler merely by how they appear is a pretty reckless way to form a conclusion about a correlation. People don't form valid correlations just based on how two things appear on the surface, it's the underlying details you need to compare. I highly doubt Obama is going to round up Americans (much less millions of them) and throw them into labor and torture camps.

No, that's not Celente. I have no idea who TPS is.

Actual interviews with Celente:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/celente-predicts-revolution-food-riots-tax-rebellions-by-2012.html

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1485&category=Environment

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=46MEq...lution-food-riots-tax-rebellions-by-2012.html
 
also.. go read "Reinventing Collapse" by Dmitry Orlov the short version of it is here if you want to get an idea of what he's getting at.

I think Celente exaggerates or misjudges what the American public will do. In his earlier predictions he assumed the public would react to economic collapse as if they were in Central America or something (riots, people grabbing the children of the wealthy for ransom, etc). He underestimates how totally apathetic the American public is and how much programming they will accept from the media. If the media says another stimulus will fix our problems then by golly we'll get another stimulus package and the public will be happy and run out to the mall.

Orlov also exaggerates how bad things will get (putting mobile homes on the Interstates??) but BOTH have some very interesting observations that need to be paid attention to. Orlov's book has some good common sense advice on what will work if things really do collapse. He watched what happened in Russia.. he's seen it before.
 
also.. go read "Reinventing Collapse" by Dmitry Orlov the short version of it is here if you want to get an idea of what he's getting at.

I think Celente exaggerates or misjudges what the American public will do. In his earlier predictions he assumed the public would react to economic collapse as if they were in Central America or something (riots, people grabbing the children of the wealthy for ransom, etc). He underestimates how totally apathetic the American public is and how much programming they will accept from the media. If the media says another stimulus will fix our problems then by golly we'll get another stimulus package and the public will be happy and run out to the mall.

Orlov also exaggerates how bad things will get (putting mobile homes on the Interstates??) but BOTH have some very interesting observations that need to be paid attention to. Orlov's book has some good common sense advice on what will work if things really do collapse. He watched what happened in Russia.. he's seen it before.

Anytime I start to think that Celente or someone else is exaggerating how Americans would react to real crisis, I just stop and remember Hurricane Katrina. "Civilization" to chaos in about three days.

It's a good way to "pinch" myself whenever I start feeling lazy about preparing for whatever may come.
 
There's one thing that bothers me about this. In general, I tend to distrust the MSM and always assume there's an ulterior motive. Why would they allow someone like Celente to come out and say this? Don't they normally try to hide the truth? What's their motive?
 
right on

Stop looking to the government to allow or disallow anything. That is a self-defeating paradigm. Don't look for leaders to say it is OK or not. I am going to say something people react to with startlement, but think about it for a bit:

"You have to kill the cop in your head."

Note that I do NOT say that gives you license to hurt the innocent. I have nothing against the police. But I certainly do NOT advocate killing them. However, it is paralyzing you from protecting yourself. Jean-Francois Revel nailed it:



Talk you people you trust. There are small shops that WILL take gold or silver coin for payment. Offer whatever off the books services you can in return for gold and silver. Ask the very same people you pay with sound money if you can do work for them that needs doing.

You are building a counter-economy. It isn't all that hard. All you need is 4-5 trustworthy trading partners to start. You can't work full time in the network because you need Federal Reserve Points to pay taxes or obtain goods and services that are not offered in your agorist market yet, but as the economy slides into the abyss, more will want to participate. Even America soldiers deployed into the streets will be paid in Federal Reserve points under massive inflation - devaluing their savings and making it more difficult to put food on their tables. How long will they put up with that nonsense or come to their senses, saying, "I never signed up to kill my fellow Countrymen."

Once the State collapses, your network will survive. Then you must be careful not to let a State form again. If men are good, we don't need the State. If men are bad or apathetic, we don't dare form one.


You are right on. A lot of people on this forum say the govt wont allow it or anything else as if they have already succumbed to the government, they are thinking like slaves. They have already been brainwashed to say things like that. You nailed it on the head "kill the cop in your head". I hope that more people can see and understand exactly what you stated in your first paragraph.
 
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/nov/24/nostradamus-redux/


DE BORCHGRAVE: Nostradamus redux
Arnaud de Borchgrave
Monday, November 24, 2008
COMMENTARY:
SINGAPORE.

Although political forecasting and economic prognostication have long made astrology look respectable, there is still a latter-day Nostradamus who has defied the odds. "If Nostradamus were alive today," said the New York Post, "he'd have a hard time keeping up with Gerald Celente" - the man who tracks the world's social, economic, and business trends for corporate clients.

Mr. Celente's accurate forecasts include the 1987 stock market crash, the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, the 1997 Asian currency crash, the 2007 subprime mortgage scandal that he said would soon engulf the world at a time when Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, a macroeconomist and expert on the Great Depression, told us, "the worst is behind us." In November 2007, Mr. Celente also told UPI a massive devaluation of the dollar was coming and that some Wall Street giants were headed for total collapse. He called it "The Panic of 2008."

"Worse than the Great Depression," Mr. Celente opined. Beginning with a sharp drop in standards of living, and continuing with an angry urban underclass that threatens a social order that allowed the mega-rich to continue living behind gated communities with summer escapades to luxurious homes on the French and Italian Rivieras or to bigger and better and more expensive boats from year to year.

This time, Mr. Celente's Trends Research Institute, which the Los Angeles Times described as the Standard & Poor's of pop culture, can see a tax rebellion in America by 2012, food riots, squatter rebellions, job marches and a culture that puts a higher premium on food on the table than gifts under the Christmas tree.

Mr. Celente says, "There will be a revolution in this country," though not until 2012, and it will take the form of a bloodless coup and the meteoric rise of a third party. While all this sounds like claptrap to sophisticated observers inside the Beltway, one can't ignore the high marks his forecasting gets from such prestigious global publications as the Economist: "A network of 25 experts whose range of specialties would rival many university faculties."

The George Washington blog listed all the kudos Celeste Celente received from a wide variety of newspapers, magazines and television shows. He has a solid track record. The catastrophe that is about to hit our nation, he says, has its origin in wars we were told would be "off budget" and would not affect more tax cuts. This is the school that says there's nothing wrong with a little deficit funding.

One of the cornerstones of America 's giant economy is the ability to borrow from other countries - primarily China and Japan - from $2 billion to $3 billion a day in order to maintain the world's highest standard living, which is based on conspicuous consumption, at a time of growing world shortages. That was bound to change. But Mr. Celente does not believe we can switch to a thrifty society without a gigantic upheaval from which a new paradigm will emerge.

On a global scale, scarce resources, including energy and water, will, at the very least touch off regional resource conflicts. Mr. Celente is not that far removed from what the 100,000-strong, 16-agency Intelligence community has been doing with its almost $50 billion Intel budget. A report released by the National Intelligence Council (NIC) this week, titled "Global Trends 2025," points to global mayhem, but not as soon as 2012, or in three years time, as Mr. Celente predicts.

The Mideast and nuclear proliferation, says NIC's report, will continue to be the CIA's principal concern inside the "great arc of instability stretching from sub-Sahara Africa through North Africa and the Middle East, the Balkans, the Caucasus, South and Central Asia and parts of Southeast Asia."

NIC's most immediate alarm is "The Prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran spawning a nuclear arms race in the greater Middle East will bring new security challenges to an already conflict-prone region, particularly in conjunction with the proliferation of long-range missile systems."

By 2025, NIC also says the United States will have to face the prospect of a relative decline of its economic and military power. In the interim, new superpowers will have emerged in China and India . And China is "poised to have more impact on the world over the next 20 years than any other country."

Iraq , following a U.S. withdrawal at the end of 2011, will have to face many conflicting tribal and ethnic groups that could easily explode and spill over into neighboring states. The perennial Mideast conflict over the creation of a state for Palestinians will certainly not be settled by the time President Bush leaves office. And it will retain its lethal potential for sudden eruptions of violence and wider conflict.

ehind the scenes, Palestinians mutter darkly about a "one-state solution displacing the two-state approach." The secret Palestinian weapon is quite simply demographics. Since creation of the state of Israel in 1947, Arabs have gone from 87 million to 310 million. They expect to be half a billion by 2025.

Assuming President Obama can revive the long-playing peace process and come up with a new road map to peace, it will be a nonstarter if it doesn't include Arab East Jerusalem as the site of the Palestinian capital. For Israel , Jerusalem is a red line, a capital that cannot be shared.


Arnaud de Borchgrave is editor at large for The Washington Times and for United Press International.
 
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