George Zimmerman Verdict: NOT GUILTY!

[juleswin]

I'd suggest you go and look at rate of solved homicide cases in any major city.



http://www.timesrecordnews.com/news/2010/may/24/unsolved-homicides/

There is something sinister going on behind the scenes here...

We are all presented, daily, with stories of heavily armed raiders, storming into the hovel of some "bad guy" to drag them off to "justice".

We assume that there is, in fact a vigorous, if over zealous police force, working around the clock, to "throw the book" at violent offenders.

But that's just not the case.

Thousands of violent crimes go unsolved every year.

Thousands more of innocent people go to jail as well. Most of them are black. Which, of course, adds to the compounding problem of crime in the black community.

The only people I see "getting the book thrown at them" are non violent drug offenders.

Oh, and of course, the politicals.

I cannot argue with that. What I had a problem with is this idea that there are black people who are caught after killing other black people and are let go by the justice system. Maybe they slacking off on their unsolved crime case files but when they have a situation like the one with Zimmerman, they go for this kill.

Just look at what they did to the lady who fired a warning shot at the ceiling to scare off what she thought was an aggressive ex, she was convicted of I think child endangerment and is serving 20 yrs behind bars. Nobody was injured but the prosecutors did not let her off and yes she was black, husband was black and the children being endangered were black.

 

[Contumacious]

All I have to do post all your answers, kahless, and my point will be proved.

And my "supervisor" is Yeshua- you can talk to Him anytime you like.

Do you REALLY believe in Yeshua ben Yosef? Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If you do, then you know that he has the following qualities: omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent .

Since , from your standpoint, Zimmerman is his creation, and if he truly misbehaved , then he will face Yeshua ben Yosef on final judgment day.

So, why are you so uptight?

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[UWDude]

Brave women.

White women.

As I predicted in the prediction thread. An all white (1 hispanic) female jury = not guilty.

 

[UWDude]

You error. Ultimately, Trayvon had lost that fight. And the reasons attributed to him losing that fight are because:

1. Clearly, this was not a case of mutual combat; it was an all out battery by aggressive restraint.
2. Trayvon exceeded the reasonable physical force required to yield whatever threat he perceived from Zimmerman's actions.

Obviously he didn't. Trayvon should have started knee-jumping on Zimmerman's head. Had he done so, he would have got to tell his side of the story, and Zimmerman would have had his past used against him in a court of law with no recourse or the ability to tell his side of the story, because he would be dead.

Trayvon's biggest mistake was letting Zimmerman live.

 

[Fredom101]

I know who Trayvon was- I have been following this story for a year. I have been surprised and appalled by many so-called libertarians who jumped immediately to the conclusion that Trayvon was at fault because he wore a hoodie. I have stated this elsewhere.

Zimmerman's story has never jelled- and his past is more questionable than Trayvon's. He already lied once to the judge about having no money. I am surprised at how many still believed his every word- even the stuff about having his head banged on the ground 25 times. which did not happen. Once, yes.

This is the best video I have seen as a response here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bF-Ax5E8EJc

 

[UWDude]

So, celebrate- your man is free but to me he was highly complicate in the whole tragedy.

Let's be honest. A lot of posters here don't see this as a tragedy. They love that Treyvon martin is dead, and are even happier Zimmerman is free, not even manslaughter charges.n They are the posters talking about Trayvon making purple drank, or smoking weed, which pictures of him were used by the media, or getting in fights at high school (fights with rounds, BTW, he was practicing mma), as if any of it is relevant.

I mean somebody posted a cool and the gang "celebration" video. It's bullshit, but it shows the mindset.

They watch Stephan Molyneaux's video (and I am sick of him and his statistic twisting BS he always pulls, and then says "this is just the facts", no, it is facts and statistics skewed to his perspective.) and think they now have it all figured out. I've seen a couple of his videos now, and they are not impressive. Sometimes his statistics get so outrageous that you have to question his connection to reality. And Molyneaux starts out his video by character assassinating Martin, with a weak disclaimer that it is not especially relevant.... but he spends 20 minutes doing it anyway.

Whatever... I'l post a "celebration" youtube on these forums when Molyneaux dies of cancer. :/

Stay classy, RPF.

 

[Philhelm]

Let's be honest. A lot of posters here don't see this as a tragedy. They love that Treyvon martin is dead, and are even happier Zimmerman is free, not even manslaughter charges.n They are the posters talking about Trayvon making purple drank, or smoking weed, which pictures of him were used by the media, or getting in fights at high school (fights with rounds, BTW, he was practicing mma), as if it is relevant.

They watch Stephan Molyneaux's video (and I am sick of him and his statistic twisting BS he always pulls, and then says "this is just the facts", no, it is fats and statistics skewed to his perspective.) and think they now have it all figured out.

Whatever.

I am glad that Zimmerman was found not guilty. The only question that is relevant is who had initiated physical violence. The evidence points toward Martin, but either way, it can not be proved beyond reasonable doubt that Zimmerman's act was not in self defense.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I think the greater question is? Why are blacks, especially those in urban areas, proportionally more predisposed to committing a criminal act than the general pop? And there are a myriad of factors. Single parent households. Generational Poverty. Lack of pride which ties into the bigotry of low expectations promoted by the government. Drugs being pumped into these urban areas by federales. Many of these cities are a breeding ground for criminals.

Yep. But there's more to it even. What we'll continue to see now are prominant blacks stepping in and further compounding this. Blacks aren't any different than the rest of general society in the fact that they are a shrinking middle class with the rest of the list that goes with it. Cloward/Piven Strategy 101.The old Hegelian dialect. Most perceptive post in the whole thread, Au.

 

[Natural Citizen]

I think the most significant factor was the breakdown of the family and the government taking over that role.

Another good observation.

 

[juleswin]

Let's be honest. A lot of posters here don't see this as a tragedy. They love that Treyvon martin is dead, and are even happier Zimmerman is free, not even manslaughter charges.n They are the posters talking about Trayvon making purple drank, or smoking weed, which pictures of him were used by the media, or getting in fights at high school (fights with rounds, BTW, he was practicing mma), as if any of it is relevant.

I mean somebody posted a cool and the gang "celebration" video. It's bullshit, but it shows the mindset.

They watch Stephan Molyneaux's video (and I am sick of him and his statistic twisting BS he always pulls, and then says "this is just the facts", no, it is facts and statistics skewed to his perspective.) and think they now have it all figured out. I've seen a couple of his videos now, and they are not impressive. Sometimes his statistics get so outrageous that you have to question his connection to reality. And Molyneaux starts out his video by character assassinating Martin, with a weak disclaimer that it is not especially relevant.... but he spends 20 minutes doing it anyway.

Whatever

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Agreed and also this idea from Stephan that race had nothing to do with the case is just as stupid as those who think race was the main reason behind the shooting. The truth is that in spite of George having volunteered as mentor for blacks or having had black friends, he did racially profile Trayvon that fatal night. The neighbourhood have had a rash of break-in by black people and yet race played no role when he saw a strange black boy walking down the street? sorry but I cannot believe that and how Stephan believe it is mindboggling.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

The state never had a case. He was only charged because of all the racial bs.

Yep. And everyone in the system knew it. A huge waste of money and time.

Face it. There wasn't a case against Zimmerman; the only reason we had a trial is because Barry and the DOJ took a break from gun-running and murdering Afghanis to stir-up what was an open-and-shut case. I rest easier knowing a guilty man went free than if an innocent man was convicted.

And with the Snowden whistle-blowing and IRS scandals, this case turned out to be perfect as a great distraction. Worthy of non-stop coverage on CNN.

White women.

As I predicted in the prediction thread. An all white (1 hispanic) female jury = not guilty.

Jury selection is sometimes the whole trial. Everything after that is just a show. Same with the OJ case. In both cases, the defense won with the jury selection. Perhaps defense lawyers are more savvy.

 

[James Madison]

Agreed and also this idea from Stephan that race had nothing to do with the case is just as stupid as those who think race was the main reason behind the shooting. The truth is that in spite of George having volunteered as mentor for blacks or having had black friends, he did racially profile Trayvon that fatal night. The neighbourhood have had a rash of break-in by black people and yet race played no role when he saw a strange black boy walking down the street? sorry but I cannot believe that and how Stephan believe it is mindboggling.

It's the middle of the night. I doubt he ever got a look at Trayvon's face.

 

[juleswin]

It's the middle of the night. I doubt he ever got a look at Trayvon's face.

He was wearing shorts on that day and walking in an American street with street lights. In that light, it is enough to see what race Trayvon was and even if it was a poorly lit street, the moonlight and his truck headlights is enough light to tell. I have profiled other black people(not solely on their race) and I am a black person, so this denial that one cannot profile x because they have x friends is bunk and he should have known that.

 

[KrokHead]

stay out of the cities for a few.

It has been safe in NYC in areas very angry about this. Kinda crazy that Zimmerman was 'exonerated', though he deserved at least a manslaughter.

 

[Carlybee]

I cannot argue with that. What I had a problem with is this idea that there are black people who are caught after killing other black people and are let go by the justice system. Maybe they slacking off on their unsolved crime case files but when they have a situation like the one with Zimmerman, they go for this kill.

Just look at what they did to the lady who fired a warning shot at the ceiling to scare off what she thought was an aggressive ex, she was convicted of I think child endangerment and is serving 20 yrs behind bars. Nobody was injured but the prosecutors did not let her off and yes she was black, husband was black and the children being endangered were black.

Probably the difference between having a good lawyer or not I am guessing. Most people who cant afford one end up getting the shaft and probably regardless of race. A good lawyer can make a difference in jury selection. If she only had a trial judge instead of a jury that sounds like a roll of the dice.

 

[AuH20]

It has been safe in NYC in areas very angry about this. Kinda crazy that Zimmerman was 'exonerated', though he deserved at least a manslaughter.

But not a 15 year manslaughter charge, which was the particular Florida statute being discussed.

 

[FrankRep]

Zimmerman Not Guilty; Unrest and Calls for Federal Charges Begin

The verdict in the Zimmerman case was hardly a surprise to those closely following the case. But despite the evidence supporting the jury's decision, unrest and calls for federal charges have already begun.​

 

[osan]

These are the sentiments of the forums here over this case. It's a simple observation. Any anyone here that even tries to even hint that had Zimmerman not followed Martin around they'd both still be alive, is attacked and smeared and made fun of. I thought at first it was just some new or sleeper trolls that were just trying to push a narrative about the forums, but when longstanding members get in on the act it really has the effect of opening your eyes about what this place has degenerated into.

Funny, but I've implied precisely this in stating that Zimmerman may have been better served minding his own business, yet I have not been attacked save by one schlub who just -repped me for my sarcasm regarding population control. OH, I'm so butt hurt... right.

But let us look at the other side of your point: we will never know what was in the mind of Martin, though given his history and the fact that he was on private property (it was a GATED community and he was not a resident, therefore he can be said to have been trespassing as easily as argued otherwise) and there existed at the time a circumstance of frequent burglaries. What should the people of that community do, throw up their hands, open their doors and put up neon signs saying "please rob us"? But that isn't the real point, which is what if Martin had been intending on robbing a household? Should he be given carte blanche? These sorts of activities turn violent in a heartbeat - crook gets all scared, homeowner happens to be at home in bed rather than away as thought... now there is a witness and what shall I do... panic, and the next thing you know someone is murdered.

I do believe Zimmy is not the brightest bulb on the tree but he may well have had reasonable justification for having observed Martin, given the circumstances in the neighborhood at that time. What if by stopping him he saved someone else's life? We will never know, but one must at least acknowledge that this is a very real possibility. And what about that 4 minute gap where Zimmerman lost track of Martin - time enough for Martin to get home, yet he did not go there. What would YOU make of it? You cannot really say because you are not in the situation, but you should at least be honest with yourself if with nobody else and acknowledge that you might not be willing to allow your neighbors to be made victims of a predator.

Onus rests with us all to not act in ways that may reasonably arouse the suspicions of others. This can lead to a very broad gray area, but people are people and that should be taken into consideration when choosing to act. If you come snooping around my house at midnight, do not be surprised if you end up on the wrong end of my 12 ga., or worse. I really do not give a damn what your intentions are - I have no way of knowing whether you are an enemy or just some dufus without the sense of a boiled turnip. It is not my responsibility to know; it is, however, mine to defend myself, my family, and my property and I am well within my rights to defend the rights of my fellows should the need arise. I am sorry, but had I found Martin walking around my yard late at night he may have ended up the same way. I am in no way obliged to bear the risks of his stupid or criminal behavior. Were I poking around YOUR place like that, I would have to concede that I most likely would deserve any unpleasantness that would befall me. I am sorry Martin is dead, but let us not fool ourselves; his choices of behavior pretty well steered him to that fate. He was no babe in the woods.

Yes, bring on the neg rep, I know it's comin. I'm not worried about it, it's not like you're following me home or anything.

I will speak for nobody else, but really this is silly... as if "rep" is going to alter the quality of your life. Get a grip, man.

But your original diatribe on this was really silly - like some butt hurt liberal or something going on about the agony in which they find themselves in the wake of the evil that men do. No evil here, pal. The dufus Zimmerman defended his life against an opponent that had what... something like 100 pounds on him. I've been in the martial arts since I was 13 and in 42 years I learned one thing: there is no such thing as an innocuous fight. If a guy 100# heavier than me goes to take a swing at me, his ass is getting shot and that is the end of it and such a response is perfectly just. The fact that most people do not understand the first thing about the basic nature of all combat, it does not follow that there are situations where when one is attacked physically they are unjustified in using unequivocal force that may ultimately prove deadly. And here I speak of a real attack and not a two year old throwing a tantrum against my pant leg. ALL violence, no matter how innocuous it may seem on the surface, has the potential to devolve into death or grotesque injury. That is the most fundamental nature of physical violence and the mental intent that initiates it. It is always potentially deadly and that is PRECISELY the reason one is behooved to keep his mitts to himself. A punch in the nose is never "mere" or "only". It always carries with it the potential for death and maiming by one avenue or another. People generally are not aware of this or otherwise refuse to acknowledge it. This fact alone justifies the shooting in question. People need to learn to keep their hands to themselves.

 

[osan]

Tell that to this guy.

I'm chuckling... the guy's so eager to show the world what a modern guy he is despite the notable absence of teeth and intelligence that he's ready to burst an artery for Tray-Von. Well, what's stopping you pops? Burst away, we could use the extra space. Liberals...

 

[osan]

Yep- there is little room for dialog on this issue. According to the majority, Trayvon had no rights but Zimmerman did. And everything that Zimmerman has said is gospel.

Please elaborate on this - how did he not have rights? Who has claimed this? Are you saying Martin was justified in attacking Zimmerman? We have no witnesses other than Zimmerman. The POLICE even refused to recommend charges be brought. They almost ALWAYS want to do that. Hello? They regarded Zimmerman's statements as truthful, what in hell more do you want? Given the truth of his account, how is it you feel that Martin's rights were violated? Are you meaning to imply he was not violating Zimmermans? Are you implying that Zimmerman held no right to defend himself? You're not at all clear on your meaning, but simply going off on some emotional diatribe like some butthurt child. Stop. Take a breath. Get a grip on yourself and collect your thoughts. Then try to restate what you mean in a calm and collected, rational manner because what you wrote above skirts the ragged fringe of coherency.