Gaza under attack by Israel

[RickyJ]

Reminds me of when my little brother was first exposed to a dark skinned person. Age 3 he came out of the hotel swimming pool screaming to mom, veins sticking out of neck, "they're gonna make the pool all dirty". Self? Exit stage left. Definitely "Top 10 Most Embarrassing Moments" material.

/facepalm

He must of thought they were white and just really dirty. Though it is hard to believe the little tyke didn't see them on TV before that.

 

[tsetsefly]

tsetsefly, it would behoove you to read a few articles:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/20/palestinians-have-right-defend-themselves

http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/israels-latest-assault-on-gaza-the-lie-of-who-started-it/

I'd provide more links, but my internet connection is particularly slow today. Read the articles, you really need to.

I can understand the Israeli blockade. THe fact is if the blockaed is lifted and Hamas is truly given free reign over Gaza what do you think is going to happen?

They will open markets and form a with quasi-individual rights? no, more likely they will they install a theological Iran like regime, continue to terrorize their own citizens and build up a military to attack Israel.

Or what is your solution to the problem? Have the US intervene and attack Israel or even better the UN?

 

[tsetsefly]

When I was in Germany, my friend's child got all big-eyed when she saw a black person. My friend said there weren't many blacks in Germany, since the Nazi's. I had no idea! So I started reading, and found all the groups you listed, plus others (Jehovah's Witnesses come to mind) were also victims of the holocaust.

I pointed that out to an evangelical once, ad was accused of lying. Because I am anti-semitic.

It was unreal - like the fact that the Jews weren't the only persecuted group was somehow offensive to the Jews.

I still don't get it.

I don't know when or where in Germany you went, but there are quite a few african immigrants living there, and have been for the last 10 years...

 

[RockEnds]

I don't what the point of this is, I think they should be let in.

Israelis can't enter arab countries, just to play in Dubai 3 Israeli tennis players where finally allowed to play after the ATP threatened to move the tournament out of there if they were discriminated.
In fact I don't think you can enter neighboring countries after you have visited Israel.

You made the comment that

Israel by far is the most civilized country int he region...

and so on. I guess I can't compare degrees of civility since I wasn't afforded that opportunity, but I most definitely did not find Jordan uncivilized. You say Israel is more civilized. I guess I'll have to take your word for that, but what I cannot accept is the insinuations that the Palestinian people are somehow inferior to the rest of humanity, that they cannot be mentioned without the mention of suicide bombers and rockets. I just didn't happen to see any of that. I saw a community built upon the family unit, and they were very strong, caring families. I do try not to be collectivist as much as possible. I saw a group of individuals, many, but nonetheless, I didn't meet each and every Palestinian who has ever lived. I'm sure there are some whose company I would not have enjoyed as much. But hey, I know some less than stellar folks here in the US of A, too. I would hope the world would not judge the entire nation based on the actions of a few. I try very hard to reciprocate.

I have nothing whatsoever against Israelis, but I'm growing really tired of the seemingly endless claims that they are a people somehow superior to Palestinians.

 

[tsetsefly]

You made the comment that and so on. I guess I can't compare degrees of civility since I wasn't afforded that opportunity, but I most definitely did not find Jordan uncivilized. You say Israel is more civilized. I guess I'll have to take your word for that, but what I cannot accept is the insinuations that the Palestinian people are somehow inferior to the rest of humanity, that they cannot be mentioned without the mention of suicide bombers and rockets. I just didn't happen to see any of that. I saw a community built upon the family unit, and they were very strong, caring families. I do try not to be collectivist as much as possible. I saw a group of individuals, many, but nonetheless, I didn't meet each and every Palestinian who has ever lived. I'm sure there are some whose company I would not have enjoyed as much. But hey, I know some less than stellar folks here in the US of A, too. I would hope the world would not judge the entire nation based on the actions of a few. I try very hard to reciprocate.

I have nothing whatsoever against Israelis, but I'm growing really tired of the seemingly endless claims that they are a people somehow superior to Palestinians.

Jordan is far more progressive than it's neighbours ironically they where among the first if no the first to sign a peace agreement with ISrael, and has there been any conflict between them?
As for Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, the PA and Hamas etc. they are far from tolerant nations.

As for superiority, no one is making the claim that Israelis are superior to palestinians, I'm certainly not. I don't know how you're reading that from the whole situation/debate in general.

THe debate is basically, do you think Israel has a right to exist? I believe they do, a Hamas controlled gaza believes the opposite. There can be no peace until they come to grips with the fact that Israel is here to stay. If they have a gripe with that, they should be bombing the brits and any nation that voted for Israel in the UN resolution...

That is why I asked, what is the solution? I believe most people who are against Israel here think it does not have a right to exist and the solution is to:

 

[idiom]

H/T: http://ronpaulproblems.tumblr.com/

 

[awake]

Right to exist? Tell that to the generations of dead innocent men , women and children...Peace will happen when the US stops funding and blindly backing Israel. Strict non intervention.

 

[mac_hine]

This video is being scrubbed from the internet. Watch it before it no longer exists.


I watched a mirror of this earlier today which had close to 10,000 views. I was planning on posting it. Youtube removed it. Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CJ8yeZcgV3E

 

[RockEnds]

Jordan is far more progressive than it's neighbours ironically they where among the first if no the first to sign a peace agreement with ISrael, and has there been any conflict between them?
As for Syria, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, the PA and Hamas etc. they are far from tolerant nations.

As for superiority, no one is making the claim that Israelis are superior to palestinians, I'm certainly not. I don't know how you're reading that from the whole situation/debate in general.

THe debate is basically, do you think Israel has a right to exist? I believe they do, a Hamas controlled gaza believes the opposite. There can be no peace until they come to grips with the fact that Israel is here to stay. If they have a gripe with that, they should be bombing the brits and any nation that voted for Israel in the UN resolution...

That is why I asked, what is the solution? I believe most people who are against Israel here think it does not have a right to exist and the solution is to:

I am not against Israel. I am for the rights of individuals. All individuals have the right to life. All of them.

 

[tsetsefly]

I am not against Israel. I am for the rights of individuals. All individuals have the right to life. All of them.

No one is disputing that.

I asked what do you think the solution is?
and if you think Israel has the right to exist?

 

[tsetsefly]

Right to exist? Tell that to the generations of dead innocent men , women and children...Peace will happen when the US stops funding and blindly backing Israel. Strict non intervention.

Which one's the jews killed by palestnians orthe palestinians killed by jews?

THe US has to stop funding foreign government and military's, I agree there. However, that will not solve the problem...

 

[ClydeCoulter]

Off twitter https://twitter.com/RuwaydaMustafah/status/271051340074086401

Interesting to note @Reuters usage of terminology in their Gaza coverage. Israelis 'Killed' but Palestinian children 'died'. Objective?

 

[Dr.3D]

Which one's the jews killed by palestnians orthe palestinians killed by jews?

THe US has to stop funding foreign government and military's, I agree there. However, that will not solve the problem...

True, that area has been in conflict for thousands of years. I believe it's because of it's location. For the longest time, the only way to go around the Mediterranean sea was to cross through that area. The only other way was to get on a boat and cross that way. I doubt the U.S. being not involved would change anything except the culpability of the taxpayers in the bloodshed that is happening over there.

 

[RockEnds]

No one is disputing that.

I asked what do you think the solution is?
and if you think Israel has the right to exist?

Solution? You mean like a magic wand that can be waved upon mankind and we all starting singing Kum Ba Ya? Sorry, I do not have such a solution. I believe in individual rights and responsibilities. It's a common belief system here. I find that keeping my own moral compass pointed in the right direction is quite a sizable undertaking. Add the responsibility to teach my children self-control, and well, I'm booked.

I don't believe in the "rights" of any government. As I stated previously, I believe all individuals have the right to life. Governments are not individuals. Governments derive just power from the consent of the governed. I am not a citizen of Israel. It's not my call.

 

[Shane Harris]

This video is being scrubbed from the internet. Watch it before it no longer exists.


I watched a mirror of this earlier today which had close to 10,000 views. I was planning on posting it. Youtube removed it. Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CJ8yeZcgV3E

regardless, such disproportionate violence against civilians is repulsive. I would share this on facebook, but I don't have the stomach to. Instead I use articles and videos that aren't graphic, but every once in a while people need to see for themselves the realities of war and american ignorance.

 

[tsetsefly]

Solution? You mean like a magic wand that can be waved upon mankind and we all starting singing Kum Ba Ya? Sorry, I do not have such a solution. I believe in individual rights and responsibilities. It's a common belief system here. I find that keeping my own moral compass pointed in the right direction is quite a sizable undertaking. Add the responsibility to teach my children self-control, and well, I'm booked.

I don't believe in the "rights" of any government. As I stated previously, I believe all individuals have the right to life. Governments are not individuals. Governments derive just power from the consent of the governed. I am not a citizen of Israel. It's not my call.

Agree. So what government do you think most closely aligns with individual rights? Israel with freer economic policies, more tolerance of alternative lifestyles and religions or the islamofascist hamas government? Just look at how they treat people of other religions and murder political opponents...
It would be great if Hamas would adopt a semblence of individual rights based platform or any middle east government, that will never happen in our lifetimes.

 

[P3ter_Griffin]

http://reuters.livestation.com/demo

Just watched the sunrise in Gaza

Pretty uneventful but its a live feed from Israel-Gaza border... maybe we'll get a show? opcorn:

 

[RockEnds]

Agree. So what government do you think most closely aligns with individual rights? Israel with freer economic policies, more tolerance of alternative lifestyles and religions or the islamofascist hamas government? Just look at how they treat people of other religions and murder political opponents...
It would be great if Hamas would adopt a semblence of individual rights based platform or any middle east government, that will never happen in our lifetimes.

Is that a real question?

I very much dislike your taste in videos. It was already posted on another thread earlier this week. For a woman who prides herself on her opposition to collectivism, she certainly is collectivist.

I like this video much better.




And I thought we had this civilized vs savage conversation earlier.

 

[Muwahid]

Agree. So what government do you think most closely aligns with individual rights? Israel with freer economic policies, more tolerance of alternative lifestyles and religions or the islamofascist hamas government? Just look at how they treat people of other religions and murder political opponents...
It would be great if Hamas would adopt a semblence of individual rights based platform or any middle east government, that will never happen in our lifetimes.

Ahahahahhahahahhaah, WHAT?!?!?

Israel is an apartheid state. As I type this Israel is oppressing people for their culture and religion. What because they let gays dance around and parade they're more tolerable? They have children in their prisons!

Atrocious hypocrisy. Honestly, look at the history of Palestine... Jews have it, they hate on Muslims and Christians, Christians had it, they killed Jews and Muslims, Muslims had it, they protected the rights of both religions, and we're called Islamofascists?? lmao.

 

[Shane Harris]

Found this beauty on facebook from a tea party page that was liked by one of my zionist israel-firster "friends". Where to start with these morons? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...8.418579314866450&type=1&theater&notif_t=like (link to the site's photo)

sigh...