Gaza under attack by Israel

[LibertyEagle]

RT Special Interview with Ron Paul:

http://rt.com/politics/interview-with-ron-paul-2008-11-27/

Seriously though, Danno, that doesn't change the fact that RT IS owned and run by the Russian government. They do have an agenda, just like our own media, so we need to not just blindly accept whatever they say.

 

[Expatriate]

I haven't really done enough research to know if the Iran thing is true or not, but if Iran is arming the Palestinians, is there a reason they would only give them crappy unguided rockets with a high trajectory that are easily shot down by the existing defenses? Surely Iran is capable of making something more effective, like a cheap guided cruise missile. They wouldn't need to smuggle nearly as many in that case, and it would have far more effect.

And what about miniature surface-to-air missile launchers like the Stingers we gave to the Afghans so they could attack Soviet aircraft in Afghanistan? Seems like that would be far easier to smuggle in than huge unguided rockets, and infinitely more useful to the Palestinians in their current situation.

If Iran is actually doing this, is there some reason why they would take the risk of bringing destruction on themselves by sneaking weapons into Gaza, only to give them something totally ineffective?

 

[angelatc]

i don't believe the human shield story. May as well say Israel does the same thing.

Israel absolutely does the same thing, in that they use Palestinian children as human shields.

 

[angelatc]

Well, it's from The Blaze. Take it for what it's worth.



Iranian Arms Ship Bound for Gaza Reportedly Carrying Long-Range Rockets Able to Reach Tel Aviv, Jerusalem

http ://www.theblaze.com/stories/iranian-arms-ship-bound-for-gaza-found-carrying-long-rage-rockets-able-to-reach-tel-aviv-jerusalem/

Half the media says this isn't true. Based on the American's history of making up WMD and yellow cake operations, I'm inclined to call bullshit.

 

[RockEnds]

Half the media says this isn't true. Based on the American's history of making up WMD and yellow cake operations, I'm inclined to call bullshit.

I can't imagine it's true, either.

It's being reported that a cease fire will commence at 2200 Zulu. Crossing my fingers.

http://rt.com/news/israel-gaza-ceasefire-egypt-177/

 

[Todd]

Incorrect

http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/11/11/israels-latest-assault-on-gaza-the-lie-of-who-started-it/

Good find. Thank God for Wikileaks

The rocket fire did indeed occur immediately before the assault, but it was in response to Israel’s breaking of the six-month cease-fire, which even Israeli officials in WikiLeaks cables admitted Hamas had kept to.

 

[ApathyCured]

I'm trying to find it but a few in this thread have said that the "jews" in Israel are not true jewish people. can someone explain that?
Are you sayingthere are no real ethnic Jews left or that they just dont live in Israel?

 

[furface]

I'm trying to find it but a few in this thread have said that the "jews" in Israel are not true jewish people. can someone explain that?
Are you sayingthere are no real ethnic Jews left or that they just dont live in Israel?

I'm not sure what other people said, but I mentioned this book.

http://inventionofthejewishpeople.com/

Shlomo Sand’s claim is that there has historically never been a such thing as a Jewish "nation." Judaism, he claims, is a religion and shouldn't be viewed as something that merits a state of its own. In that respect probably most immigrants to Israel aren't practicing Jews and are merely linked to Judaism via some sort of vague genetics.

There are also claims that lots of Russian immigrants in particular aren't Jewish. They just claim it to get out of Russia and move to Israel with lots of perks.

For instance here's something talking about it.

http://www.thejerusalemconnection.us/news-archive/2010/03/02/israels-non-jewish-jews.html

 

[amy31416]

I haven't really done enough research to know if the Iran thing is true or not, but if Iran is arming the Palestinians, is there a reason they would only give them crappy unguided rockets with a high trajectory that are easily shot down by the existing defenses? Surely Iran is capable of making something more effective, like a cheap guided cruise missile. They wouldn't need to smuggle nearly as many in that case, and it would have far more effect.

And what about miniature surface-to-air missile launchers like the Stingers we gave to the Afghans so they could attack Soviet aircraft in Afghanistan? Seems like that would be far easier to smuggle in than huge unguided rockets, and infinitely more useful to the Palestinians in their current situation.

If Iran is actually doing this, is there some reason why they would take the risk of bringing destruction on themselves by sneaking weapons into Gaza, only to give them something totally ineffective?

It doesn't make sense at all. The only possible reason (that I can think of) Iran might given them crappy rockets, rather than cruise missiles is that if Hamas actually had a successful strike, Israel would flatten Gaza (even more.)

Perhaps it's actually an Egyptian group, they have easy access to the smuggling tunnels--who knows? We won't get the truth here, everything will be blamed on Iran.

 

[tsetsefly]

I would like to pose a question to everyone here who is pro Hamas, what in your opinion should the solution be with Israel and the Palestinians?

 

[RockEnds]

It's a small miracle that anything ever makes it into Gaza. Here's the wiki on what is and is not allowed in:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goods_allowed_or_banned_for_import_into_Gaza

Can you imagine living like that?

 

[Tpoints]

You make it sound sinister, but it's no different from what many people did during WWII--save, hide and support Jews. Why wouldn't I do the same for Palestinians/Muslims?

because it's unAmerican to get involved in wars we didn't start?

 

[pcosmar]

because it's unAmerican to get involved in wars we didn't start?

Which ones were that?

 

[amy31416]

because it's unAmerican to get involved in wars we didn't start?

We've been involved directly and indirectly since 1948.

 

[pcosmar]

We've been involved directly and indirectly since 1948.

We have been directly involved since the early 1900s.

 

[COpatriot]

Israelis are dropping leaflets. Ground incursion looks likely.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...gazans-fleeing/story?id=17771142#.UKvspIe1XRU

 

[Demigod]

I would like to pose a question to everyone here who is pro Hamas, what in your opinion should the solution be with Israel and the Palestinians?

Either Israel will kill between 200-300 million Arabs,Persians and Christians in the region or they will leave as they came.Nothing else will end the war that in the end the Arabs will win.The USA will not be able to sponsor their military forever and when the money stops coming it will be a battle of attrition.

Israel has no friends except the USA and a lot of enemies.

 

[amy31416]

We have been directly involved since the early 1900s.

Yeah. Didn't want to go that far back if I was questioned on it though because I don't have a good enough internet connection to pull up all the sources to prove it. I know enough off the top of my head to prove our involvement from 1948 on...

 

[Shane Harris]

The Russian government has propaganda objectives. Talking against Big Government and Oligarchy and Fascism and Socialism and Communism and watching RT or Al Jazeera sounds weird.

When it comes to exposing America, would you trust America's government run media, or a third-party's government run media?

 

[presence]

Israelis are dropping leaflets. Ground incursion looks likely.

http://abcnews.go.com/International...gazans-fleeing/story?id=17771142#.UKvspIe1XRU

Sounds like the rhetoric before Auschwitz.

To the people Sheik Ahjleen, Tel El Hawar, South of Rimal, Zaytoun area, Shajiah Toroukman and New Shajiah - the IDF is not targeting you, we do not want to harm your families.
For your safety you are requested to evacuate your houses immediately and move towards Gaza City Centre through the following routes:
- Cairo street
- Arabic countries university
- Al Aqsa street
- Um il Laymoun street
- Salahaddin
- Al Mansura street
- Baghdad street
Once you are in Gaza City you should stay west of Salahaddin, north of Omar Muktar Streets, East of Al Nasser street and south of Al Quds street.
This fight is temporary and the end of it you will all return to your homes.
By following these orders you will not be harmed.

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/k2siil