Gaza Massacre

[scipio337]

Sad to see this site lowered to an Israel conspiracy sound board.

 

[scipio337]

That sounds pretty bad... that they will not recognize Israel.... but when you look at it in the proper context... why would they ever "accept" their own termination and expulsion from their own land? Because that's what "recognizing Israel" is.

This idea that Israel is some peaceful democracy... that just wants to exist... and worship their religion free of persecution is a complete falsehood.

Israel is a nation founded on a racist ideology that excludes Palestinian Arabs from their own native land.

You should tell that to the Palestinian Arabs living in Isreal, with Israeli citizenship.

Of course, the huge number of Palestinian Arabs living with no rights in UNWRA camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, along with the UN permanent refugee status has nothing to do with it.

This is what happens in an sectarian divided, post colonial environment. Roughly a million people were killed when the British Raj dissolved, and nations were divided over sectarian lines.

Get over it.

 

[Enzo]

And what was the Palestinian capital? Flag? Form of Government?

When did Egypt or Jordan grant this mythical country to the Palestinian Arabs, 1948-1967?? Where was the movement for a Palestinian Arab nation, when the region was ruled by Arab absentee landlords?

Oddly enough, the last self determining people to live in the region were.....

Jews.

Because inhabitants of a certain geographic region do not particularly conform to an exact model of a modern nation state, does not mean that they are not a community with a right to self determination.... and a right to the land they've inhabited for the last 2000 years.

The discussion here is about Israel and it's occupation of land inhabited by Palestinians and attacks by Israel on Palestinian civilians.


You seem to look at the entire situation through the eyes of colonialism. Jordan or Egypt have to grant land to the people that already inhabit it?

The Palestinian flag was first flown in 1916. The movement for a Palestinian nation did not take place until 1948... as a result of the Arab-Israeli war... and in an attempt to prevent Jordan from annexing the West Bank.

The Palestinian capital was Jerusalem. The Prime minister was Ahmed Hilmi Abd al-Baqi. The form of government was a republic.

 

[Enzo]

Sad to see this site lowered to an Israel conspiracy sound board.

Where's the conspiracy?


"Because we took the land this gives us the image of being bad, of being aggressive. The Jews always considered that the land belonged to them, but in fact it belonged to the Arabs. I would go further: I would say the original source of this conflict lies with Israel, with the Jews – and you can quote me." – Yehoshofat Harkabi, former Israeli Chief of Military Intelligence, in ‘Peace Won't be a Plane Ticket to Cairo,’ International Armed Forces Journal, October 1973, p.30.

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." – Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha’aretz, April 4, 1969.

 

[Enzo]

You should tell that to the Palestinian Arabs living in Isreal, with Israeli citizenship.

Of course, the huge number of Palestinian Arabs living with no rights in UNWRA camps in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, along with the UN permanent refugee status has nothing to do with it.

This is what happens in an sectarian divided, post colonial environment. Roughly a million people were killed when the British Raj dissolved, and nations were divided over sectarian lines.

Get over it.

Pretty hard to "get over it" while your kids are being killed by an occupying military force.

 

[Benny45]

Don't forget that Hebrew was a dead language like Aramaic for close to 2000 years until it was revived by the Zionist movement.

My goodness, this is so untrue its almost scary.

 

[jpwilhelm]

My goodness, this is so untrue its almost scary.

How Hebrew rose from the dead
For more than 2,000 years it was spoken by no one . . . but now it is the everyday language for millions.

 

[scipio337]

Pretty hard to "get over it" while your kids are being killed by an occupying military force.

I know.

 

[scipio337]

Because inhabitants of a certain geographic region do not particularly conform to an exact model of a modern nation state, does not mean that they are not a community with a right to self determination.... and a right to the land they've inhabited for the last 2000 years.

The discussion here is about Israel and it's occupation of land inhabited by Palestinians and attacks by Israel on Palestinian civilians.


You seem to look at the entire situation through the eyes of colonialism. Jordan or Egypt have to grant land to the people that already inhabit it?

The Palestinian flag was first flown in 1916. The movement for a Palestinian nation did not take place until 1948... as a result of the Arab-Israeli war... and in an attempt to prevent Jordan from annexing the West Bank.

The Palestinian capital was Jerusalem. The Prime minister was Ahmed Hilmi Abd al-Baqi. The form of government was a republic.

al Baqi? From the same Arab Leage that refuses its members to grant Palestinian Arabs citizenship rights? Do tell.

I look at it through the eyes of colonialism because since about 586 BCE, the region has been a colony of one empire or another, none of which granted a separate Palestinian Arab state.

Not during the Caliphate, not under the Ayyubids, not under the Mamluks, or the Ottoman. Ever.

So, prior to 1967, you have the push to wipe out a fledgling state under the banner of pan-Arabism, with little concern for the refugee inhabitants, now you have the same thing under the banner of radical Islam.

 

[scipio337]

Where's the conspiracy? ......

The population was scant, at best. 1 million died after the breakup of the British Raj, but the displaced haven't been denied citizenship in Pakistan or India, or given permanent refugee status.

Do I have to link the Hamas charter?

Most aren't worried about peace or any pre 1967 borders, but want the current state of Isreal "erased". Are you closer to the former, or latter?

 

[Benny45]

How Hebrew rose from the dead
For more than 2,000 years it was spoken by no one . . . but now it is the everyday language for millions.

well if the toronto star says it, it must be true. Laughable

 

[jpwilhelm]

And everything the Zionist Jews say is gospel. All of us Goy should just bow down and serve them and never second guess them.