Gay Pride Event Turns Violent, Religious Protestor Attacked

[tod evans]

What's obnoxious is that you act like we have the same definition of obnoxious. If you are going to beat obnoxious people up, then you must think it's okay for a white supremacist to beat people up for "being obnoxious". I'll let you figure out what "being obnoxious" might entail for them.

I'm sick of the "real man" argument. That's an American joke. The real man apparently sits at home and watches football drinking beer whilst treating his wife poorly. He's also probably on welfare. Yeah, that's a real man. Anyone who doesn't fit that description is "looking for an ass-whippin".

Your definition of "acting out" is where the problem lies. There are so many definitions, it's absurd, and you apparently think people should be able to use their own discretion to justify going around beating people up who did nothing to them. Does that mean all protestors are "acting out" to you and deserve to be beaten? I happen to believe that wasn't a good thing to do either, but you don't see me beating people up because they disagree with me. That's all this was, a disagreement, and you think violence over a difference in beliefs is completely justified. I could just as easily beat someone up for telling me "I think you're wrong" and by your standards that would be completely acceptable.

See, this is exactly the kind of lippin' that'd get ya' tossed right out of my house with a bloody nose.

Respect, learn it or be taught, just as I said earlier in the thread.

Now were we at your house and you chose to insult me as your guest, I'd still bloody your nose only I'd leave and not return.

 

[tod evans]

"...people who act in ways I find unacceptable"... unbelievable. So you're the only one who gets to decide what's unacceptable? What if someone else has a different definition of social norms and what's "acceptable" to them?

Also, I hate to break this to you, but you're not "protecting your family" if they weren't in danger in the first place.

With or without your qualifications, the question is basically the same. You believe it's okay to beat people up for saying things you don't like to hear. That's not manly. To me, that's the mark of a coward who can't tolerate a difference of opinion. If you think the lardass that beat that guy with the sign up is a "real man", then you are the one who's a coward for lacking self-control.

Here again, using the term "coward" on an internet board after advocating that it's permissible for people to insult you or your family is just a tad off....

 

[tod evans]

Your principle is still wrong because it justifies almost every kind of aggression as long as the person did it because they found the other person's behavior "unacceptable". The guys weren't just holding signs either, they were preaching.

FFS, just go watch the video.

I have no intention of watching the video, it's not something I want to watch.

If the Christians infringed on the homos party and were yelling at or insulting the homos then the Christians were wrong.

Plain-n-simple.

Common sense and decency is a two way street, either learn it on your own or eventually life will teach it to you.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

See, this is exactly the kind of lippin' that'd get ya' tossed right out of my house with a bloody nose.

Respect, learn it or be taught, just as I said earlier in the thread.

Now were we at your house and you chose to insult me as your guest, I'd still bloody your nose only I'd leave and not return.

More chest-thumping, no response to the actual principle. If you think it's okay for you to beat people up for being disrespectful, then you must think it's okay for others to beat people up for being "disrespectful according to their own standards.

You have shown yourself to be a coward by telling me you'd be fine with beating me up simply for arguing with you.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Here again, using the term "coward" on an internet board after advocating that it's permissible for people to insult you or your family is just a tad off....

I don't see how. Being on an internet message board has nothing to do with whether someone's a coward or not... it's how they act in public. In my opinion, someone who goes around beating people up just for saying something you don't like is more cowardly than having the self-control to ignore that person. Because reacting to them, you're giving their words legitimacy.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I have no intention of watching the video, it's not something I want to watch.

If the Christians infringed on the homos party and were yelling at or insulting the homos then the Christians were wrong.

Plain-n-simple.

Common sense and decency is a two way street, either learn it on your own or eventually life will teach it to you.

This is just an excuse to be a hot-headed brute who wants to beat people up for saying things you don't like.

 

[tod evans]

This is just an excuse to be a hot-headed brute who wants to beat people up for saying things you don't like.

No it's not.

I haven't struck anyone.

I choose not to watch the video for the same reason I would choose not to attend such a gathering as a participant or protester.

Have you ever fought for your honor? I seriously doubt it.

Spouting ideology without real world experience to back it up is a childs game.

Live in your fantasy world as long as you can, reality will come knocking sooner or later.

 

[tod evans]

More chest-thumping, no response to the actual principle. If you think it's okay for you to beat people up for being disrespectful, then you must think it's okay for others to beat people up for being "disrespectful according to their own standards.

You have shown yourself to be a coward by telling me you'd be fine with beating me up simply for arguing with you.

Arguing and being impolite are two separate and not mutually exclusive endeavors.

Do you interact with humans or just computers?

 

[tod evans]

I don't see how. Being on an internet message board has nothing to do with whether someone's a coward or not... it's how they act in public. In my opinion, someone who goes around beating people up just for saying something you don't like is more cowardly than having the self-control to ignore that person. Because reacting to them, you're giving their words legitimacy.

Once again you've missed the point.

I do not put myself or my family in situations that require punching people.

If someone infringes on our well being by being loud and insulting or behaves in other inappropriate manners then it is they who have crossed the line.

If you believe it is your right to come to my family picnic and scream insults at family members I can assure you you will leave.

Insisting on the same common sense and decency you extend to others is not being a hot headed brute no matter how you try and twist it.

 

[Don Lapre]

Tod, what you somehow don't grasp is that the man who you say deserves an ass-beating has the VERY SAME right to do what he is doing as anyone else in attendance there has to do what they are doing there.

You are no better or worse than him, and by virtue of saying you would fight him ---> you are an arrogant thug.


Nice job outing yourself.

 

[tod evans]

Tod, what you somehow don't grasp is that the man who you say deserves an ass-beating has the VERY SAME right to do what he is doing as anyone else in attendance there has to do what they are doing there.

You are no better or worse than him, and by virtue of saying you would fight him ---> you are an arrogant thug.


Nice job outing yourself.

Well there ya' have it!

I certainly feel a lesser man for your opinion..

 

[Wooden Indian]

Stone the christian. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

If it were a gay or athiest attacked for holding a sign and protesting at a christian rally, I wonder if some people would maintain their same support for the attackers. Things that make you say, hmmm....

 

[tod evans]

Stone the christian. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

If it were a gay or athiest attacked for holding a sign and protesting at a christian rally, I wonder if some people would maintain their same support for the attackers. Things that make you say, hmmm....

I've done that through this whole thread...:o

Simple respect of other folks goes a long way.

To me the tell tale example is the nutjobs and even cops behave themselves at bike rallies...

The scooter tramps keep to themselves and so do the others, there's mutual respect or mutual loathing, the end result is the same.

 

[jmdrake]

Cops, no.

Hired "thugs" at a private gathering, absolutely! If those attending/holding the gathering are not capable of keeping order at their gathering.

Except the disorderly people were not at the private gathering. They were outside the gathering on public property. So the hired thugs were keeping "order" in the public space on the way to the gathering. You really believe the RNC should have the right to beat up Ron Paul supporters that were protesting in a public park across the street? Seriously? Cause that's F'd up.

 

[tod evans]

Except the disorderly people were not at the private gathering. They were outside the gathering on public property. So the hired thugs were keeping "order" in the public space on the way to the gathering. You really believe the RNC should have the right to beat up Ron Paul supporters that were protesting in a public park across the street? Seriously? Cause that's F'd up.

Once again it's a matter of both behavior and location.

If the Ron Paul supporters were loudly insulting my wife and child I would stop the insults.

Twisting it around to where "thugs" beat peaceful protesters is dishonest.

I wouldn't advocate for peaceful protesters to be beaten at a political rally, but I absolutely support teaching manners and respect with fists if required at such gatherings as the funeral for the young lad in Ok.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, and I will not hire out enforcement of good behavior, a smart mouth to me is just as offensive as poor behavior, this idea that it's okay to scream and yell insults at peaceful folks because you disagree with them doesn't work for me. I don't behave like that, I won't knowingly put myself or my family in a situation where screaming/yelling offensive people are, nor will I tolerate that type of behavior at a gathering where I am in control.

Please don't try and twist zealots screaming at homos into being analogous with Ron Paul supporters having bones broken for calmly pointing out fraud.

Were it homos screaming insults at zealots at their gathering, I would stand with the zealots.

 

[Rocco]

The only people I saw screaming insults in peoples faces were the pro gay protesters. Comparing what these people did to the protesting of a 9 year olds funeral is insane.

Once again it's a matter of both behavior and location.

If the Ron Paul supporters were loudly insulting my wife and child I would stop the insults.

Twisting it around to where "thugs" beat peaceful protesters is dishonest.

I wouldn't advocate for peaceful protesters to be beaten at a political rally, but I absolutely support teaching manners and respect with fists if required at such gatherings as the funeral for the young lad in Ok.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, and I will not hire out enforcement of good behavior, a smart mouth to me is just as offensive as poor behavior, this idea that it's okay to scream and yell insults at peaceful folks because you disagree with them doesn't work for me. I don't behave like that, I won't knowingly put myself or my family in a situation where screaming/yelling offensive people are, nor will I tolerate that type of behavior at a gathering where I am in control.

Please don't try and twist zealots screaming at homos into being analogous with Ron Paul supporters having bones broken for calmly pointing out fraud.

Were it homos screaming insults at zealots at their gathering, I would stand with the zealots.

 

[tod evans]

The only people I saw screaming insults in peoples faces were the pro gay protesters. Comparing what these people did to the protesting of a 9 year olds funeral is insane.

So you're saying it was the homos doing the screaming and yelling not the zealots?

In the first page of comments I read it was vice-versa;

The guy has the right to protest, sure, but maybe a bit of self control by keeping his mouth shut to begin with could have done wonders. Now me? I probably would have interpreted his statements as a THREAT because that is what he was doing. Hmm, I wonder why he got his ass beat? It wasnt because he was protesting, it was because he took it upon himself to not leave other people alone. At the rate we are going, it wouldnt suprise me if the Jews of this generation end up being the Gays.

As I stated earlier I haven't watched the video and I won't, so which is it...

Were the zealots screaming insults at the homos and that caused escalation?

Or did the homos attack peaceful zealots who were quietly protesting?

 

[Rocco]

The video shows the pro gay protesters instigating 100%. The poster you quote either has knowledge that extends beyond the video or didn't watch the video and is just talking, not sure which.

 

[tod evans]

The video shows the pro gay protesters instigating 100%.

If that's the case then I'd back the zealots.

Having been around intercity zealots in the 80's my experience would lead me to question if they were peacefully carrying signs without hurling insults and curses of damnation..

Personally I have no use for either group and there's a 99.9% chance that I'd never be placed in that situation.

 

[Paulistinian]

The video shows the pro gay protesters instigating 100%. The poster you quote either has knowledge that extends beyond the video or didn't watch the video and is just talking, not sure which.

The guy was there with his sign all day long. I walked by and even stood there watching him several times. I never saw one person yell at him, but I saw him yelling plenty. The video shows 5 minutes of a 12 hour event.