Gay Pride Event Turns Violent, Religious Protestor Attacked

[tod evans]

Actually that has nothing to do with it. Nobody invoked the power of the state here. The problem is that somebody attacked someone else, violating the Non Agression Principle. "Having the balls to do it" sounds a lot like "forget about free speech. If someone's being an asshole in public, you are well within your rights to beat ther ass!" Does that really sound like a liberty philosophy to you?

It is you'll be polite around my family and I, or you will be put in your place.

Speak about that bucko!

Liberty and freedom is every bit as much about being free to stand up for yourself and your family.

I will not put up with assholes, feel free to do so if it makes you feel better.

 

[tod evans]

How are they using force of law? Is it force of law when someone is exercising their right? Well, that would assume your rights come from government, that they must be codified into law before they can be recognized. No force of law is even involved in this situation and it is really separating the liberty-lovers from the pretenders like you and the others who have come here in support of the aggressors. How can you even handle that kind of cognitive dissonance?

The fact that they didn't belong there and probably shouldn't have been there is irrelevant.

Oh goody!

I missed this one reading backwards in the thread..

Once again, if you can't behave in a manner that suits the environment then you don't friggin' belong.

It's a matter of respect.

Learn it on your own or be taught by those who don't tolerate stupid behavior.

I happen to be one of those who will put you in your place if you misbehave.

And I could care less about your NAP, it's not a philosophy I abide by.

 

[tod evans]

Maybe somebody can help me understand this idea that it's acceptable to behave however you like wherever you like because someone wants to label their behavior as "freedom" or claim freedom of expression?

When exactly did manners and respect take a backseat?

If a couple of homos set up camp outside a revival and yelled at the attendees then they'd deserve an ass whuppin' too.

It's pitiful to read folks making excuses for those who can't behave like decent humans.



I find it really ironic that an ol' hillbilly/biker dude is advocating for sane and civil behavior...

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

The guy didn't even fight back. What does that indicate to you? To me it indicates that he wasn't "looking for a fight". He was running away from the for God's sake! You all have gone insane if you are using this line as a way to defend the actions of REAL asshole, the guy who was walking around with his shirt off acting tough and physically assaulting the guy with the sign. That's the REAL asshole here. Any of you gay pride supporters care to point out how THAT guy was itching for a fight?

that guy wasn't gay, he was a ******.

 

[MelissaWV]

Maybe somebody can help me understand this idea that it's acceptable to behave however you like wherever you like because someone wants to label their behavior as "freedom" or claim freedom of expression?

When exactly did manners and respect take a backseat?

If a couple of homos set up camp outside a revival and yelled at the attendees then they'd deserve an ass whuppin' too.

It's pitiful to read folks making excuses for those who can't behave like decent humans.



I find it really ironic that an ol' hillbilly/biker dude is advocating for sane and civil behavior...

Manners, tact, and respect are apparently outdated

Having said that, I tend to view those people as one would view children throwing a tantrum. You can either spank them, take them away from the situation (ie drag them out of the store where they are pitching a fit about wanting a new toy), ignore them, assert your authority, bribe them into changing their behavior, or any number of other things. Ignoring them works quite well.

If someone's yelling, I would still maintain that taking it past yelling in retaliation is a bit off-kilter. That's just me, though.

 

[tod evans]

Manners, tact, and respect are apparently outdated

Having said that, I tend to view those people as one would view children throwing a tantrum. You can either spank them, take them away from the situation (ie drag them out of the store where they are pitching a fit about wanting a new toy), ignore them, assert your authority, bribe them into changing their behavior, or any number of other things. Ignoring them works quite well.

If someone's yelling, I would still maintain that taking it past yelling in retaliation is a bit off-kilter. That's just me, though.

If I'm walking down the street and some dude is lipping off I'll generally leave him alone.

Now if the same fellow lips off to, or about, a member of my family, I won't let it go.

All behaviors are situation specific as far as what's acceptable or not and it really gives me cause for concern that some folks can't get their head around an interloper deserving an ass-whipping...:o

 

[angelatc]

Manners, tact, and respect are apparently outdated
.

Rude behavior is always present in civilized society. That is why the art called Manners is as much about how to behave when confronted by a boor as it is about not being a boor.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

It is you'll be polite around my family and I, or you will be put in your place.

Speak about that bucko!

Liberty and freedom is every bit as much about being free to stand up for yourself and your family.

I will not put up with assholes, feel free to do so if it makes you feel better.

So you attack people for telling you they disagree with the way you live your life? That has never been a libertarian position. Only if you are attacked first should you defend yourself, but you never initiate the violence because you don't like what someone is saying. All this tough talk about not putting up with assholes may sound good to you, but it is not a principled position, so you can just forget about that now.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Oh goody!

I missed this one reading backwards in the thread..

Once again, if you can't behave in a manner that suits the environment then you don't friggin' belong.

It's a matter of respect.

Learn it on your own or be taught by those who don't tolerate stupid behavior.

I happen to be one of those who will put you in your place if you misbehave.

And I could care less about your NAP, it's not a philosophy I abide by.

Just answer me one friggin' question: Do you believe someone would be morally justified in attacking someone for saying things you don't like to hear? If the answer is yes, then you should probably reevaluate your views on liberty.

 

[jmdrake]

The guy has the right to protest, sure, but maybe a bit of self control by keeping his mouth shut to begin with could have done wonders. Now me? I probably would have interpreted his statements as a THREAT because that is what he was doing. Hmm, I wonder why he got his ass beat? It wasnt because he was protesting, it was because he took it upon himself to not leave other people alone. At the rate we are going, it wouldnt suprise me if the Jews of this generation end up being the Gays.

Ummmmm....how can you threaten someone with a sign about hell? It's not like the Christian can call down hell fire on anyone.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

Maybe somebody can help me understand this idea that it's acceptable to behave however you like wherever you like because someone wants to label their behavior as "freedom" or claim freedom of expression?

When exactly did manners and respect take a backseat?

If a couple of homos set up camp outside a revival and yelled at the attendees then they'd deserve an ass whuppin' too.

It's pitiful to read folks making excuses for those who can't behave like decent humans.



I find it really ironic that an ol' hillbilly/biker dude is advocating for sane and civil behavior...

Just because someone lacks manners and respect, doesn't mean you have the authority to beat them up. You can't go around beating people who don't suit your definition of manners and respect. That's why we have the non-aggression principle, so nobody can just go around defining for themselves who does and does not deserve to get beaten up like you apparently believe.

 

[torchbearer]

I wonder why gay people hate christians?
I bet they just hate them for their freedoms. yeh, thats it. where's my remote- i'm missing fox news.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

If I'm walking down the street and some dude is lipping off I'll generally leave him alone.

Now if the same fellow lips off to, or about, a member of my family, I won't let it go.

All behaviors are situation specific as far as what's acceptable or not and it really gives me cause for concern that some folks can't get their head around an interloper deserving an ass-whipping...:o

Despite what you say, I bet you wouldn't be nearly as sympathetic if some supposed Christians beat up a gay person at a Christian rally. Maybe it's me, but I don't think you would be defending them on here nearly as ardently as you are now.

 

[torchbearer]

Despite what you say, I bet you wouldn't be nearly as sympathetic if some supposed Christians beat up a gay person at a Christian rally. Maybe it's me, but I don't think you would be defending them on here nearly as ardently as you are now.

yeah, lets forget the whole Christians(in general-not all) want to use government violence to enforce their beliefs on others.
and go to showing people reacting to that legacy of intolerance, with their own intolerance.
I'm intolerant of authoritarians also. i guess i'm a hypocrite.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

I wonder why gay people hate christians?
I bet they just hate them for their freedoms. yeh, thats it. where's my remote- i'm missing fox news.

I'm not sure if that was said ironically, but it's actually quite true in this case. The people in the video hated the Christian for his freedoms just like the government hates its citizens for their freedoms.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

yeah, lets forget the whole Christians(in general-not all) want to use government violence to enforce their beliefs on others.
and go to showing people reacting to that legacy of intolerance, with their own intolerance.
I'm intolerant of authoritarians also. i guess i'm a hypocrite.

No, you don't even get to say Christians "in general" want to do that. That's a collectivized notion that simply doesn't reflect reality. You don't know what the percentage of Christians who want to do that is. You just hear about neocons and you think most Christians are like that. They're not. You don't get to call "Christians" one thing or another because not all people who claim to be Christians really are. You're just collectivizing the lot and then applying a bogus rule that you don't actually know to be true. You're saying it because that's the kind of Christian you think of when you think of Christians. It doesn't mean that most or even a lot of Christians think that way.

 

[torchbearer]

No, you don't even get to say Christians "in general" want to do that. That's a collectivized notion that simply doesn't reflect reality. You don't know what the percentage of Christians who want to do that is. You just hear about neocons and you think most Christians are like that. They're not. You don't get to call "Christians" one thing or another because not all people who claim to be Christians really are. You're just collectivizing the lot and then applying a bogus rule that you don't actually know to be true. You're saying it because that's the kind of Christian you think of when you think of Christians. It doesn't mean that most or even a lot of Christians think that way.

really, who are the groups behind the banning of gay marriage?
who are the groups behind the war on drugs?
who are the groups that would fight tooth and nail to keep prostitution in the black market?

 

[torchbearer]

I'm not sure if that was said ironically, but it's actually quite true in this case. The people in the video hated the Christian for his freedoms just like the government hates its citizens for their freedoms.

you hit someone in the face, a couple years ago.
then one day- that guy comes back and nails you in the face while you were holding a sign.
you are the type of person who would then act like a victim, and pretend the attack had something to do with your speech- and nothing to do with punching the guy sometime in the past.

that logic doesn't work here.
there are a series of events that led up to the hate, and it wasn't because of your freedoms- it was because you advocated the use of force to prevent others from engaging in life activities you didn't agree with for religious reasons.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

really, who are the groups behind the banning of gay marriage?
who are the groups behind the war on drugs?
who are the groups that would fight tooth and nail to keep prostitution in the black market?

You're collectivizing the lot again. Just because Christians do it, it doesn't mean it is a Christian thing to do. Stop getting the two mixed up.

 

[PaulConventionWV]

you hit someone in the face, a couple years ago.
then one day- that guy comes back and nails you in the face while you were holding a sign.
you are the type of person who would then act like a victim, and pretend the attack had something to do with your speech- and nothing to do with punching the guy sometime in the past.

This has nothing to do with what happened in the video. I am willing to bet a large amount of money that those two people had never met in their life. So this can't be about him punching the guy in the face because it's obviously a reaction to his sign.

that logic doesn't work here.
there are a series of events that led up to the hate, and it wasn't because of your freedoms- it was because you advocated the use of force to prevent others from engaging in life activities you didn't agree with for religious reasons.

You're collectivizing again. Just because I may or may not identify as a Christian, it doesn't mean you get to tell me what I believe. If the person punches the guy in the face because "Christians in genral" want to force gays to do one thing or another, then he's just as guilty as collectivizing. The guy wasn't advocating any force. He was simply telling people what his beliefs were.