Gates wants to cut military pay?
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Ranger29860
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This is so retarded. You are telling me out of the entire defense budget the only place they can seem to find money is out of pay and healthcare for soldiers?
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Well, retirees do get off pretty well with Tricare and retirement payments. Tricare is basically pennies on the dollar compared to what a normal person would pay, and the 20-year retirement benefits are pretty hefty as well. A friend of mine retired as an E-8 and gets close to $2000/month in retirement.
Besides that, the huge sign on bonuses could be reduced. They haven't had problems recruiting since the Iraq War has been dwindling down.
Besides that, the huge sign on bonuses could be reduced. They haven't had problems recruiting since the Iraq War has been dwindling down.
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Austrian Econ Disciple
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It should be a lot more than that. An E-8 with 20 years, should be getting at least ~3000 a month in retirement.
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We must all sacrifice to maintain the global Imperial Empire... do your part and mandatory donate to what Washington DC determines!
^^^^ Hate shortsightedness... How quickly military members forget all the Bush years of huge % pay increases on military pay/benefits... Even with the country running massive debt/deficits now, the military still received pay increases.
The private sector has been taking pay cuts in this depression or are doing the job of 2 or 3 people from just 2-3 years ago. Has the military adjusted their pay down in the recession or a cut of 30-66% IN STAFFING to reduce costs and increase efficiency?
Gates is full of shit anyway... He, Adm Mullens, and Hillary Clinton sat in front of the Senate Arms Services committee for an additional $80 Billion for new nuclear weapons program. Beware of manipulators... Gates/Hillary/etc
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Please elaborate.
Have you been mistreated here? If so, how?
How are the previous statements supportive of you?
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Hmm. Well I wouldn't say directly in a personal way. But, there has been mistreatment towards the troops, yes. But I don't want to elaborate and derail this thread. If you'd like further, I can send that in a message.
So, given my prior experiences in which I somewhat mentioned above, and the fact that i'm currently Active Duty, a few of the posts above were nice to see. Make sense?
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Ha.. ha... good one.
I support the Farmers!Some troops still believe they are defending freedom while forcing people to live in Marxist hell holes.
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I don't know if I would go as far as to say they suck, but all the military personnel that signed up knowing what would be done with them do not get any support or sympathy from me.
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Ha.. ha... good one.
Some troops still believe they are defending freedom while forcing people to live in Marxist hell holes.
I too support the farmers!
Seriously, the "troops" must be massively insecure about what they're doing to demand such blind, salivating "support." That's the only explanation that makes any sense to me.
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That's a good point. As a young man I wanted to "defend my country" for freedom. I never served, but young people are easy to turn into killing machines for the cause. It must be tough on people when they wake-up and realize that they are mostly destroying stuff and killing innocent people for the masters. I do feel sorry that they have to endure that pain.
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Not exactly derailing since "mistreatment toward the troops" is the underlying point behind getting mad at cutting pay.
I won't join the haranguing throng this time... I'll just point out that troops like Brad Manning and Jose Guerena are suffering mistreatments worse than anything this board can dish out, and I don't hear a lot of troops saying anything about them.
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And enter the idiots
Troops, police officers, etc are overwhelmingly great people. Are there bad troops of course but its the exception not the rule. Its shit like this that makes me sick and exactly what the previous poster was talking about.
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I for one don't seek any special support or admiration at all. And this situation can be directly applied to farmers as well. They shouldn't be hit with higher taxes or have their pay slashed. A common falacy on these forums is to assume that I don't advocate the same support for policeman, farmers, fisherman, chemists, or any other career field as I do the military. All of these (including the many I didn't specifically mention) should recieve equal support and admiration. So I don't see how the bias or insecurity claims apply to me.
As for Brad and Jose, yes they are being mistreated. I agree. I didn't say that before, but now you have me on record. I support them both.
So for those of you that started the bashing and disrespect of our troops, carry on. I have fought this fight already on these forums to the point of having the entire thread shut down.
Just know that what your advocating is not the stance of Ron Paul, and will do nothing but harm in bringing in potential voters.
As for Brad and Jose, yes they are being mistreated. I agree. I didn't say that before, but now you have me on record. I support them both.
So for those of you that started the bashing and disrespect of our troops, carry on. I have fought this fight already on these forums to the point of having the entire thread shut down.
Just know that what your advocating is not the stance of Ron Paul, and will do nothing but harm in bringing in potential voters.
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Now that was not necessary. Do some homework. Governments in the 20th century killed around 260 million people. What is great about that? To defend freedom? How many will they have to kill in the 21st century before you wake up?
If you look at the Marx doctrine you will find that modern America is the shining beacon of communism. We are not a free nation. The constitution is not followed.
You may be one of the privileged few feeding off the Merchantilist tit, but many, many people around the world are feeling the pain of our troop's tyranny.
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I don't care who did what to who. I do believe in contract law. If a person is told that he/she will receive a certain amount of money upon reaching an agreed upon goal, be it tenure, rank, educational achievement, cleanest desk...whatever, then changing the terms of that deal after the fact is wrong.
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