Gates wants to cut military pay?

[remaxjon]

Now that was not necessary. Do some homework. Governments in the 20th century killed around 260 million people. What is great about that? To defend freedom? How many will they have to kill in the 21st century before you wake up?

If you look at the Marx doctrine you will find that modern America is the shining beacon of communism. We are not a free nation. The constitution is not followed.

You may be one of the privileged few feeding off the Merchantilist tit, but many, many people around the world are feeling the pain of our troop's tyranny.

There is no talking to people like you. I will simply say I myself am a small business owner and have never served in the military However my father served, both my brothers served, and one is currently a 20+ year chief. I don't consider any of them murderers.

Besides the fact that your view point is so far outside of the Republican mainstream it can't even be seen. It would be better for Ron Paul and all those trying to work and change the country if you were just silent. I know I know you will never be silent its your duty to speak truth and call people in the military evil murderers. Just know 99% of the people in the country think you are an ass and you don't help anyone get elected. In fact you hurt them.

 

[TonySutton]

I hope those of you are condemning the troops are equally condemning everyone who pays taxes, who does not vote, who does not protest the wars. The soldier is nothing without the money to fund the military, the politician to send them in harm's way and the idle citizens who do not stand against the wars.

 

[nate895]

This is so retarded. You are telling me out of the entire defense budget the only place they can seem to find money is out of pay and healthcare for soldiers?

+1776. Of all things to cut, I mean really. Unless you're one of those loons who thinks our soldiery, and need I remind this is our soldiery, not the Waffen SS or Red Army Political Officer Corps, this is simply ridiculous. How about cut out the billions spent on war? How about cut the billions spent on nutjob research projects? How about getting rid of the so-called "black budget"? How about designing an airplane that costs less than a billion dollars or so? The list could go on forever, but the last thing we need to cut is the already low pay of our soldiery. The low pay and foreign wars are already causing rampant divorce and dependency on government assistance for the wives of soldiers. We do not need to further destroy these families, who are some of the few pious families we still have left in this God-forsaken (I mean that almost literally at this point) country.

 

[Travlyr]

The truth is tough for most folks.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

I don't know if I would go as far as to say they suck, but all the military personnel that signed up knowing what would be done with them do not get any support or sympathy from me.

Judging by soldiers I know, very few of them join with a very good idea of what the army is about.

 

[nate895]

The truth is tough for most folks.

As if the truth that atheistic Communist dictatorships (for the most part at least) killed hundred of millions of people in the twentieth century has anything at all whatsoever to do with the US Army in 2011. If that's what you as "the truth," you're the deluded one, not those of us who happen to have a high opinion of the majority of our soldiers.

 

[Travlyr]

I hope those of you are condemning the troops are equally condemning everyone who pays taxes, who does not vote, who does not protest the wars. The soldier is nothing without the money to fund the military, the politician to send them in harm's way and the idle citizens who do not stand against the wars.

We have troops stationed around the world protecting our empire and suppressing individual freedom. The constitution says that we are to defend this nation. Our military and political leaders swear the Oath of Office and then ignore it.

 

[nate895]

We have troops stationed around the world protecting our empire and suppressing individual freedom. The constitution says that we are to defend this nation. Our military and political leaders swear the Oath of Office and then ignore it.

Not that I disagree with you policy-wise on our foreign adventurism, but where does the Constitution say what our foreign policy should be?

 

[Travlyr]

As if the truth that atheistic Communist dictatorships (for the most part at least) killed hundred of millions of people in the twentieth century has anything at all whatsoever to do with the US Army in 2011. If that's what you as "the truth," you're the deluded one, not those of us who happen to have a high opinion of the majority of our soldiers.

Paul Warburg vs. Max Warburg? I've done my homework. Read what General Smedley Butler wrote. If you believe that war for peace is good, then what is peace?

 

[Travlyr]

Not that I disagree with you policy-wise on our foreign adventurism, but where does the Constitution say what our foreign policy should be?

The general consensus at the time was, "Entangling Alliances with None."

 

[nate895]

Paul Warburg vs. Max Warburg? I've done my homework. Read what General Smedley Butler wrote. If you believe that war for peace is good, then what is peace?

Now you're building up strawmen. You're exactly the kind of useful idiot the would-be dictators in Washington, D.C. love with all their hearts. Just because you happen to believe our soldiers are generally fine, upstanding citizens whop deserve pay does not mean you support foreign adventurism.

 

[nate895]

The general consensus at the time was, "Entangling Alliances with None."

General consensus among private opinions does not make for Constitutional Law.

 

[Travlyr]

Now you're building up strawmen. You're exactly the kind of useful idiot the would-be dictators in Washington, D.C. love with all their hearts. Just because you happen to believe our soldiers are generally fine, upstanding citizens whop deserve pay does not mean you support foreign adventurism.

Have you read, War is a Racket, nate?

 

[nate895]

Have you read, War is a Racket, nate?

Oh, come on, that has nothing to do with my opinion of our soldiers. Deal with the issue instead of associating our soldiers with some kind of fascist ideology. Our soldier are more often than not the only thing standing between us and absolute tyranny. Even in Nazi Germany it was fine officers of the Wehrmacht who resisted Hitler, not lunatic anarchists who were too busy debating each other on the best plan for privatizing the autobahn.

 

[belian78]

Judging by soldiers I know, very few of them join with a very good idea of what the army is about.

After 10+ years of war, and they don't know? I just don't know what to say about that.

 

[erowe1]

I for one don't seek any special support or admiration at all. And this situation can be directly applied to farmers as well. They shouldn't be hit with higher taxes or have their pay slashed. A common falacy on these forums is to assume that I don't advocate the same support for policeman, farmers, fisherman, chemists, or any other career field as I do the military. All of these (including the many I didn't specifically mention) should recieve equal support and admiration. So I don't see how the bias or insecurity claims apply to me.

If by "support" you mean monetary compensation for the products they provide, then it's not possible for someone to dictate how much "support" any of those people ought to get. The only way to determine the proper level of support they all get is to let free people decide how to spend their own money based on their own priorities about what products they want and what those products are worth to them. This can only happen in a free market. It can't happen with politicians spending our money for us.

But I agree on your main point. This free and fair way of divvying up support for each service is one that ought to apply to the military, the police, and the firemen, in the same way it ought to apply to the food we buy.

That is what your main point was. Right?

 

[Travlyr]

Oh, come on, that has nothing to do with my opinion of our soldiers.

Well it has everything to do with mine. War Is A Racket and a very profitable venture for politicians and bankers. It is even getting more profitable as they cut the soldier's pay.

The top tier always tosses the mundanes under-the-bus when they are done with them.

 

[Freedom 4 all]

After 10+ years of war, and they don't know? I just don't know what to say about that.

I was referring mostly to HS/college kids with bad grades and no job prospects who get sucked in by the recruiter's propaganda.

 

[Pericles]

Well it has everything to do with mine. War Is A Racket and a very profitable venture for politicians and bankers. It is even getting more profitable as they cut the soldier's pay.

The top tier always tosses the mundanes under-the-bus when they are done with them.

Where should you focus your ire? At the 1.2 million who carry out the orders, or the 536 people who make the policy and give the orders?

 

[nate895]

Well it has everything to do with mine. War Is A Racket and a very profitable venture for politicians and bankers. It is even getting more profitable as they cut the soldier's pay.

The top tier always tosses the mundanes under-the-bus when they are done with them.

As I was just lambasting this sick political hack named Robert Gates for cutting our soldiers, that's exactly why I listed all those budget items they could cut without cutting our soldier's pay. This regime in D.C. is hell-bent on destroying everything that's right with America and replacing it with a nation of perverted fools. While they will cut our soldier's pay, most of whom are responsible young men trying to feed their families and serve their country, they will not cut the expenses on our latest war gadget that Northrup-Grumman designed. It's really perverted, and it just plain sickens me. This goes beyond reason.