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Again, that won't happen in an announcement from Concord, New Hampshire. The best you can hope for is an exploratory committee.
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Again, that won't happen in an announcement from Concord, New Hampshire. The best you can hope for is an exploratory committee.
I could only hope for an exploratory committee if he plans to close it without switching to a formal run and if he does not participate in debates, but I don't hope for him to have an exploratory committee really.
Gary running for president doesn't help Ron.
Gary running for president would mean he is running against Ron.
That means he would be our opponent. And it means we would have to struggle against his followers to get Ron more supporters.
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I said that's the best you can hope for in the sense that if he doesn't announce an exploratory committee it will be because he will announce a presidential run right away.
Yeah, that's true.
Maybe he'll announce that he's not running so that he can put his full attention toward helping Ron as a staffer.
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Would you go all the way from New Mexico to New Hampshire for that?
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Would you contribute? I wouldn't. There are others who take more votes from Ron than Johnson. I think we should just focus on the target.
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I agree with this.
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I think having Johnson participate in the debates would be great. They won't be able to gang up on Paul like before. I don't think he hurts Paul much as long as he drops out before Iowa. He could even get some Republicans that refuse to support Paul merely because they have been brainwashed into thinking he's too kooky. Then, by dropping out and endorsing Ron, he could get those people to take a second look at Ron.
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Gary may not take away from Ron as much as everyone thinks he will. Especially if he goes to great lengths to have different rhetoric and frame his image differently. I don't see any of Ron's supporters leaving him to go to Gary. I think Gary will bring new people (former neocons) onto his boat.
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Very disappointed, at Gary and some of the forum members here. Gary Johnson running does hurt us. He could "frame the debate" just as much by running for senate and getting on TV for that. Anyone that says he does not split the vote, or efforts, or even funding just needs to read an of the Johnson threads on this site and see that it does.
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We're still operating under the assumption that Gary Johnson will stick around to split the vote in the primaries. This is not necessarily true. Both candidates can sign off on an Ames Accord so that before the straw poll the weaker candidate drops and endorses the stronger candidate. I believe that it benefits the movement to have two candidates early on b/c fundraising is rather muted and it helps to have more than one liberty voice legitimizing certain otherwise marginal Paul viewpoints (it helps to frame the overton window in our favor). Then, at Ames we get the liberty field reduced to one candidate who benefits from the endorsement, sees huge polling gains, and unites everyone as we move into fundraising season.
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An Ames win makes it so that ignoring Ron Paul by the media from then on shows even more how much they are manipulating things.
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The same could be said for Paul. But, it's about getting the message out there. Johnson and Paul will draw slightly different groups of people. Johnson will pull many of the pro-choice republicans and independents who don't like Paul's pro-life stance. If there is only one pro-choice candidate in the primary then he could take 30% of the vote and win the primary while the pro-lifers split their votes among the rest of the candidates. Johnson knows he need a lot more votes than what Paul received last time around to win and those votes will need to come from non-traditional republican primary voters. Other than that it is a good thing to have two sane voices for liberty int he GOP debates -- it will offset the media and other candidates trying to make Paul look like a fringe candidate... toss a former governor in there and you can put Paul so far out on the fringe.
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Another reason why it's good to have Gary in the primary. He draws a different crowd than Ron, and getting his word out in the primary allows for him to organize that croowd before dropping and endorsing Ron so they can get together as a single ticket. They're a perfect match too - Ron's ideology + Gary's executive experience.
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