Gary Johnson rapidly becoming RP's worst opponent for president.

[klamath]

I don't know the times and dates. But Sam Brownback, Tom Tancredo, Jim Gilmore, and Tommy Thompson all dropped out before the primaries. The only one who was polling really low who didn't was Duncan Hunter.

You are right on them dropping out before the primaries. However GJ's run has to be only on on the issues and not attack RP in order for him to build the base. He has already given the anti FP people ammo as somebody that doesn't get anything done and isn't good enough. Many Many voters vote on a candidates based on what kind of leadership they have and demonstrate. RP is weak in this and GJ is exploiting it.

 

[Wren]

If he's polling low, he'll drop out before the primaries start, just like everyone who polls low does every election. If I'm wrong and he does really well, then more power to him. If RP can't win, we could do worse than GJ.

Why do you think he won't endorse RP when he drops out? Who do you think he'll endorse instead?

I do think he will endorse Ron before he drops out, but it's just pure speculation IF he drops out. If he doesn't, then the damage has already been done. I think someone should ask him this question upfront.

 

[klamath]

Calm down, people. GJ isn't going to steal anything from anyone. Ron and Gary are close personal friends, and Gary has a huge respect for Ron, and vice versa.

Look at us. The Liberty lovers are fighting with each other over who our "leader" should be. We'll never progress if we keep this up.

Gary Johnson happens to be one of the best men we have when it comes to implementation of liberty ideals, and he has done nothing but show his support for Ron Paul in 2008, and there's nothing indicating he'd ever backstab him in 2012.

explain to me how he is any better than Bachmann, Palin, Newt?

 

[Elwar]

GJ supporters are creating the riff. War hawks are trying to split RP's base by promoting GJ.

Seriously? What GJ supporters? There aren't very many activists other than maybe 5 or so people trying to do any coordinating.

I run the garyjohnson2012.com site...there are a lot of "I heard Johnson on X show last night, let him know he has my support"...followed by no activism. These are the supporters creating the rift?

His supporters are people who haven't heard the message yet, but just happened to hear it from him first. They are Ron Paul supporters in training just like anyone who's heard Ron Paul for the first time.

 

[erowe1]

explain to me how he is any better than Bachmann, Palin, Newt?

1) He endorsed RP in 2008.
2) He's been against the Iraq war since it began.
3) He's against the war on drugs.
4) He walked the walk as a governor and vetoed a ton of bills.
5) He's not part of the Good Ole' Boy network of the GOP.

He's not RP. He's not perfect. But he'd be a far better candidate than anyone other than RP. And having both in the debates would be a good thing. Yes, that means he would be running against Ron. Yes, it means he would be competing for the same voting block. But we should see it as an opportunity. For RP to win, he needs to beat the other candidates. It won't be handed to him. And GJ is the least of his worries.

 

[Fredom101]

What is good or great about GJ?
I see that he is NOT opposed to the income tax, he is NOT opposed to the war on drugs, and he's not even fully supporting bringing home all troops. He's GOP lite to me, nothing to see here.

 

[Fredom101]

1) He endorsed RP in 2008.
2) He's been against the Iraq war since it began.
3) He's against the war on drugs.
4) He walked the walk as a governor and vetoed a ton of bills.
5) He's not part of the Good Ole' Boy network of the GOP.

Nope. Saw him on Hannity and he said he was only for legalizing marijuana, nothing else.

 

[erowe1]

Nope. Saw him on Hannity and he said he was only for legalizing marijuana, nothing else.

I still like it.

 

[klamath]

1) He endorsed RP in 2008.
2) He's been against the Iraq war since it began.
3) He's against the war on drugs.
4) He walked the walk as a governor and vetoed a ton of bills.
5) He's not part of the Good Ole' Boy network of the GOP.

He's not RP. He's not perfect. But he'd be a far better candidate than anyone other than RP. And having both in the debates would be a good thing. Yes, that means he would be running against Ron. Yes, it means he would be competing for the same voting block. But we should see it as an opportunity. For RP to win, he needs to beat the other candidates. It won't be handed to him. And GJ is the least of his worries.

RP needs to hold onto his base and syphon off a few huck, palin Romney voters, He is lost if he is having to defend his base from Johnson.

Johnson;
Pro humanitarian wars
Pro using American troops to defend Israel
Pro abortion.
Those three issues put him in the same or lower class as all the other republicans.
For someone to advocate cutting the defence budget in half and then commit American troops too humanitarian wars is Bill Clinton all over again.

 

[Elwar]

RP needs to hold onto his base and syphon off a few huck, palin Romney voters, He is lost if he is having to defend his base from Johnson.

Johnson;
Pro humanitarian wars
Pro using American troops to defend Israel
Pro abortion.
Those three issues put him in the same or lower class as all the other republicans.
For someone to advocate cutting the defence budget in half and then commit American troops too humanitarian wars is Bill Clinton all over again.

Why would Ron Paul's base need to be defended if Johnson is so bad on these issues? Wouldn't these issues be cutting into the base of the neo-cons? Of which can then be enlightened on the ideas of liberty?

How do you plan on syphoning off a few huck, palin and romney voters?

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

The neoconservatives and various other Republicans who don't like Ron Paul have to be praising God that Gary Johnson will be around to siphon off money, support, activism, time and maybe votes if they both stick around that long. Not that they inherently belong to Paul, but it still hurts nonetheless.

Divided support = divided results.

 

[erowe1]

The neoconservatives and various other Republicans who don't like Ron Paul have to be praising God that Gary Johnson will be around to siphon off money, support, activism, time and maybe votes if they both stick around that long. Not that they inherently belong to Paul, but it still hurts nonetheless.

Divided support = divided results.

The real challenge we have isn't preventing a division of the 10% who already support RP, it's expanding that. I don't really see GJ syphoning off RP's core support. But if we don't broaden that base it wouldn't matter if he did anyway. And I do see him helping broaden it.

 

[trey4sports]

Jesus, i can't believe some folks.

Gary Johnson = GOP lite ?? are you kidding me??????

Rand Paul wouldn't say half the shit Gary says and yet he gets a free pass because his last name is Paul.

 

[Wren]

Jesus, i can't believe some folks.

Gary Johnson = GOP lite ?? are you kidding me??????

Rand Paul wouldn't say half the shit Gary says and yet he gets a free pass because his last name is Paul.

Rand ran for the senate, not for president. I wish that GJ would run for senator, we need more liberty candidates helping us not dividing us and splitting up the vote.

 

[trey4sports]

Rand ran for the senate, not for president. I wish that GJ would run for senator, we need more liberty candidates helping us not dividing us and splitting up the vote.

We got 6% last time!!! The vote is not there to be split!!! People need to here the message from more than one person

 

[Elwar]

I wonder if the neo-cons are aware that they should only be running one candidate as well. Their split vote last election almost ended in their demise...

Hopefully they don't read these forums and find out that their strategy of running as many establishment candidates as they can and then having one of them win is not the way you win elections.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I wonder if the neo-cons are aware that they should only be running one candidate as well. Their split vote last election almost ended in their demise...

Hopefully they don't read these forums and find out that their strategy of running as many establishment candidates as they can and then having one of them win is not the way you win elections.

Or go even further up the chain and they are running candidates in both Parties...which is what we should be doing.

 

[RonPaulFanInGA]

I wonder if the neo-cons are aware that they should only be running one candidate as well. Their split vote last election almost ended in their demise...

Pro-war types make up like 85% of the GOP electorate. They can afford to run as many as they want. And the media will pay more attention to them too. The media is going to ignore Gary Johnson as long as he hovers in the N/A-1% range.

 

[Wren]

The only way to solve this is to put the pressure on GJ himself. He needs to be very clear as to what his intentions are in this race and what he hopes to achieve. Is he going to drop out before the primaries? If not, why is he comfortable dividing up the liberty movement and reducing RP's chance to get elected? These questions and more need to be asked to his face.

 

[Fredom101]

Jesus, i can't believe some folks.

Gary Johnson = GOP lite ?? are you kidding me??????

Rand Paul wouldn't say half the shit Gary says and yet he gets a free pass because his last name is Paul.

I don't like Rand either.
Everyone in the GOP who isn't a full-on neocon seems to get a free pass among some so-called libertarians.