Gary Johnson rapidly becoming RP's worst opponent for president.

[Ethek]

Yes I believe GJ said this. Go back and listen to his RTR speech and his favorite word was "I, I, I" The guy is egotistical.

The guy is talking up his points. Part of Gary Johnson's personal makeup makes him completely honest. Why, The guy has some very aspergerian traits, a la some very smart people. Hence, he is unacceptably blunt at times, completely honest and as you pointed out, it may be his biggest challenge to click with voters because of it.

 

[Romulus]

Gary who?

Ron Paul 100% or no one.

 

[james1906]

Let him run. He won't get traction, but should get enough support and name recognition to want to run for Senate in 2012.

 

[Krugerrand]

it would be much harder for Fox , MSM, to exclude RP from the debates if GJ runs. they can't exclude everyone. let them both run, in IA, the Johnson can withdraw, maybe run as a Paul/Johnson ticket as Reagan did with Swietzer back in 1976. it might force the others to name their running mates.

John Mackey is my backup candidate if Paul were to not run (Thankfully, all signs are pointing towards him running.) As such, John Mackey is my #1 choice for Paul's VP.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?213062-John-Mackey-for-President-2012

 

[erowe1]

Sorry but GJ is an egotistical man that is in it for his own glory. All the talk that he was just going to run to expand the debate and then drop out before the elections and endorse RP is proving to be a real joke.
He saw the base RP built and thinks he can slip in and scoop it up. When magazines like National Review are running big articles they know they are trying to split RP's base and nullify the libertarian republican movement. All the RP supporters had better start paying attention to this sneaky coop of RP's chances and stand up for the man that fought 30 lonely years to build a base. Gary Johnson WILL NOT win the republican nomination but he will destroy any chance RP has. Republicans are not going to nominate a man that is prochoice, pro open borders, a cheater on his wife and a recent MJ user.

1) There's nothing wrong with anything he said in that quote.

2) He probably won't do well enough to hurt Ron Paul's chances. The RP base will stick with RP and Johnson will drop out before the primaries, not because of some strategy to enter the race merely for the debates, but because he'll be polling at 2% in December 2011. When that happens, he'll endorse RP (as long as we don't bend over backwards to make an enemy out of him).

3) If by some chance Johnson's campaign really takes off and he succeeds at expanding his support beyond RP folks so that he becomes a real contender, and so that RP's best option is to drop out and endorse Johnson, I'd take that as a success.

 

[Elwar]

New story: National Review and other War Hawks seek to create a rift between Johnson and Paul supporters. Paul supporters fall for it.

Face it, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in the debates will get people thinking..."hmm, this Ron Paul guy isn't alone in his thinking, maybe I should listen to what he's actually saying".

Johnson is out there playing politics more than Ron Paul. That's not what we want in a president, but that's what gets more voters.

The more supporters Johnson gets, and the less rift there is between his supporters and our supporters, the more voters we can pull over to support Ron Paul once Johnson drops out.

Don't perpetuate the rift.

 

[klamath]

Apparently people close to GJ have said he has intended to run for president for at least the past few years, whether or not Ron runs. But to be honest, I don't think this guy will siphon votes away from Ron at all. He won't win more than 5% in any given state. He is not well-recognized, not as articulate or passionate, and he doesn't have the ability to energize a base like Ron. And it's not like the pro-choice guy is going to get any neo-con votes or anything.

5 percent most likely will cost RP the primary. Many many are decided on less than that.

 

[klamath]

1) There's nothing wrong with anything he said in that quote.

2) He probably won't do well enough to hurt Ron Paul's chances. The RP base will stick with RP and Johnson will drop out before the primaries, not because of some strategy to enter the race merely for the debates, but because he'll be polling at 2% in December 2011. When that happens, he'll endorse RP (as long as we don't bend over backwards to make an enemy out of him).

3) If by some chance Johnson's campaign really takes off and he succeeds at expanding his support beyond RP folks so that he becomes a real contender, and so that RP's best option is to drop out and endorse Johnson, I'd take that as a success.

There is nothing wrong with what GJ said if you have been a longtime GJ promoter.
GJ is NOT going to drop out before the NH primary. Almost nobody drops out before the NH primary. If they have enough ego to run in the first place they have to at least see what they can do in the first couple of primaries. By that time game is over for RP as his base was split enough to knock him out of the most important primaries.
The fact that GJ will not run and has no interest in running for senate, a seat he could probably win hands down, show he is determination to win the presidency himself.

 

[klamath]

New story: National Review and other War Hawks seek to create a rift between Johnson and Paul supporters. Paul supporters fall for it.

Face it, Ron Paul and Gary Johnson in the debates will get people thinking..."hmm, this Ron Paul guy isn't alone in his thinking, maybe I should listen to what he's actually saying".

Johnson is out there playing politics more than Ron Paul. That's not what we want in a president, but that's what gets more voters.

The more supporters Johnson gets, and the less rift there is between his supporters and our supporters, the more voters we can pull over to support Ron Paul once Johnson drops out.

Don't perpetuate the rift.

GJ supporters are creating the riff. War hawks are trying to split RP's base by promoting GJ.

 

[Patriotxi]

I have met Gary and he is a very humble guy. This is just BULL!

 

[johnrocks]

I really like Gary Johnson, I really love Ron Paul. If the two run, there will be no contest between which one gets the base vote that Ron Paul built but I am glad to see other,younger people who can carry on the fight such as Gary Johnson and Rand Paul.

 

[klamath]

I have met Gary and he is a very humble guy. This is just BULL!

If it is bull why is GJ already attacking RP?

 

[erowe1]

Almost nobody drops out before the NH primary.

Half of the 2008 primary candidates dropped out in 2007. If Johnson is polling 2% he'll do the same. If he's polling 10% he'll stay in, and more power to him.

There's nothing wrong with what he said. The only reason anyone would be alarmed by it would be if they had some delusion that the only reason Johnson was running was some weird strategy to help Ron Paul.

 

[Wren]

I have met Gary and he is a very humble guy. This is just BULL!

The whole idea that people seem to perpetuate on is that GJ WILL drop out and endorse Ron. THAT seems like bull.

Read this thread. He's running for his own purposes, not for the liberty movement: Former Governor Gary Johnson in Houston last night. Recap.


From another thread:

At least Palin/Gingrich/Huckabee supporters will have the common courtesy not to come to RonPaulForums and solicit donations for their candidate like you know the Gary Johnson people will end up doing.

I have no doubt that this will happen

 

[klamath]

Half of the 2008 primary candidates dropped out in 2007. If Johnson is polling 2% he'll do the same. If he's polling 10% he'll stay in, and more power to him.

There's nothing wrong with what he said. The only reason anyone would be alarmed by it would be if they had some delusion that the only reason Johnson was running was some weird strategy to help Ron Paul.

Give me the time and date when the candidates dropped out in 2007?

 

[erowe1]

The whole idea that people seem to perpetuate on is that GJ WILL drop out and endorse Ron. THAT seems like bull.

Read this thread. He's running for his own purposes.

Of course he's running for his own purposes. Anybody who ever thought otherwise was delusional.

But when he does drop out, why do you think he won't endorse RP? He already did in 2008.

 

[erowe1]

Give me the time and date when the candidates dropped out in 2007?

I don't know the times and dates. But Sam Brownback, Tom Tancredo, Jim Gilmore, and Tommy Thompson all dropped out before the primaries. The only one who was polling really low who didn't was Duncan Hunter.

 

[freshjiva]

Calm down, people. GJ isn't going to steal anything from anyone. Ron and Gary are close personal friends, and Gary has a huge respect for Ron, and vice versa.

Look at us. The Liberty lovers are fighting with each other over who our "leader" should be. We'll never progress if we keep this up.

Gary Johnson happens to be one of the best men we have when it comes to implementation of liberty ideals, and he has done nothing but show his support for Ron Paul in 2008, and there's nothing indicating he'd ever backstab him in 2012.

 

[Wren]

Of course he's running for his own purposes. Anybody who ever thought otherwise was delusional.

But when he does drop out, why do you think he won't endorse RP? He already did in 2008.

I don't understand your question. If he's running for his own purposes, he will only drop out when all the votes have been taken in. = LESS votes for RP = LESS likely RP will win primary = NO ONE for GJ to endorse

 

[erowe1]

I don't understand your question. If he's running for his own purposes, he will only drop out when all the votes have been taken in. = LESS votes for RP = LESS likely RP will win primary = NO ONE for GJ to endorse

If he's polling low, he'll drop out before the primaries start, just like everyone who polls low does every election. If I'm wrong and he does really well, then more power to him. If RP can't win, we could do worse than GJ.

Why do you think he won't endorse RP when he drops out? Who do you think he'll endorse instead?