Gary Johnson polling at 16% in Iowa, 14% in NM, 16% in Utah, 19% in Alaska

[younglibertarian]

I am quite shocked to be honest. It would seem we need to be let in the debates now.

 

[cajuncocoa]

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[dean.engelhardt]

So, even if Gary managed to get 16%, the LP would most likely go back to getting 1% next cycle.

Maybe, maybe not. The GOP is in a downward spiral. They can't get their platform together. Trump can't win this year because he barely polls 50% with registered republicans. The last time there was three consecutive terms of a democrat president was FDR; before the term limit.

The GOP has just lost touch with the voting class and has making itself into a third party for many years. It creates a great void for the LP.

 

[William Tell]

Maybe, maybe not. The GOP is in a downward spiral. They can't get their platform together. Trump can't win this year because he barely polls 50% with registered republicans. The last time there was three consecutive terms of a democrat president was FDR; before the term limit.

The GOP has just lost touch with the voting class and has making itself into a third party for many years. It create a great void for the LP.

Yeah, well the GOP has lost touch with the voters and the LP has lost touch with the liberty movement.

 

[undergroundrr]

New Johnson/Weld ad just came out. It'll be interesting to see how it works. I don't think it is a bad ad. They don't attack other candidates but instead boost themselves as a team.

Great ad. Got me pretty excited, actually. I think "You In?" is good branding.

Weld has the best line - "Small, efficient government that treats the American people like family instead of livestock."

I'd love to see this ad get serious exposure.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Do I get a ban for neg repping a moderator? This logic does not work well with a group that has a history of write in votes for Ron Paul.

What "logic" do you disagree with? I did not say to not vote for the Libertarian candidate. I did not say to vote for Hillary or Trump. By all means, vote Libertarian.

My point is simple. It's not necessarily about the candidate. If Lindsey Graham was the Libertarian candidate, and was polling at 15%, would it be because Lindsey is awe inspiring, or just that people are looking towards an alternative to the GOP/Dem candidates? It's not as simple as "Lindsey is great, he is pulling in more votes than any other Libertarian ever!"

Bottom line: vote Libertarian, whether you love Gary or not.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

So?

You answered your own question:

Maybe. But if they can crack that 5% threshold, and if (and that is a BIG if) they get a clue and nominate a better candidate in 2020, there's a chance you might be wrong.

I can hope.

 

[cajuncocoa]

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[pmbug]

I hope if GJ makes it into a Presidential debate, that he takes full advantage of it. He's going to need a much stronger showing than what I saw on that CNN town hall. I hope he's preparing for it now.

 

[RJ Liberty]

I hope if GJ makes it into a Presidential debate, that he takes full advantage of it. He's going to need a much stronger showing than what I saw on that CNN town hall. I hope he's preparing for it now.

I think right now, the focus is on getting to 15% nationally. Gary has two months to convince the American people to vote for him, which means doing the talk show circuit and as many public appearances as possible (check!). No point in wasting time honing your debate skills if you aren't going to be in the debate.

 

[69360]

I hope if GJ makes it into a Presidential debate, that he takes full advantage of it. He's going to need a much stronger showing than what I saw on that CNN town hall. I hope he's preparing for it now.

If Gary got into the debates and performed well, he could blow the whole thing wide open. It's a big if though. He doesn't always present himself well. Sometime he has his moments though.

These are the most unpopular major party candidates in my lifetime. The gap from 15% to a three way race could happen fast if the LP had a podium at the debates. Trump could continue to gaffe and alienate people and Clinton or her cronies could be indicted. Neither will end their campaigns I'm sure but it could take voters from them and give them to the LP.

 

[nickpruitt]

Gary Johnson just isn't very intelligent on certain parts of his platform.

For example he doesn't know how to present drug legalization. When that woman did her son's story about how her son was disabled by heroin the best way to present a counter argument is that criminalizing drugs is exactly why her son got bad drugs. Instead he backed down because he didn't know how to present a case for legalization creating a different environment because anyone wanting to really sell a product is going for an actual free market will be held accountable a lot easier than being sold illegally in a black market.

Same with a lot of areas in his platform. He won't come across as intelligent on a national stage because he isn't very principled or very smart. He's too political.

 

[luctor-et-emergo]

I hope he makes the debates, that would be fun.

 

[francisco]

Nothing against Gary, but before any egos ballon out of proportion, these are votes are against Hillary and Trump, not necessarily for Gary.

How many votes for Trump are actually votes against Clinton?

How many votes for Clinton are actually votes against Trump?

 

[Brian4Liberty]

How many votes for Trump are actually votes against Clinton?

How many votes for Clinton are actually votes against Trump?

Good point. That would lead to the conclusion that we have no good candidates this time around.

 

[francisco]

Good point. That would lead to the conclusion that we have no good candidates this time around.

Pretty sure that all but the most ardent partisans on all sides figured this out some time ago

 

[Brian4Liberty]

Pretty sure that all but the most ardent partisans on all sides figured this out some time ago

My enthusiasm for this election can hardly be contained.

 

[cajuncocoa]

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[RJ Liberty]

Here are more strong poll numbers.

Florida - Johnson 14% (Evolving Strategies poll, June 10-22)
Michigan - Johnson 14% (Evolving Strategies poll, June 10-22) [Previous poll was 12%]
Pennsylvania - Johnson 13% (Evolving Strategies poll, June 10-22)
Virginia - Johnson 11% (Evolving Strategies poll, June 10-22) [Previous poll was at 6%]

 

[younglibertarian]

Don't worry, they will make some biased polls to bring us under 15% average, you watch.