Gary Johnson Gary Johnson: Paul-Johnson ticket 'not a political reality'

[realtonygoodwin]

god forbid we as libertarians advocate choice!!!

I see it as murder, which the state does have a responsibility to protect against.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

To Bama Fan who keeps saying my posts are lies:
Right from the Gary Johnson website http://ouramericainitiative.com/issues/economy

"# CUT TAXES: The U.S. tax system imposes an enormous toll on productivity through high marginal rates, absurd complexity, loopholes for the well connected, and incentives for wasteful decisions. The government must lower the tax burden to stimulate the economy. This means:

* Eliminate punitive taxation of savings and investment.
* Simplify the tax code; stop using it to reward special interests and control behavior.
* Adopt a flat tax on income or consumption."

He is NOT for ending the income tax. The fact that he even mentions "consumption" shows you how far he is from Ron Paul's position, and the liberty position here. "Simplifying the tax code" has been talked about by republicans for decades, this is by no means a pro-liberty stance!

Oh, you mean he's offering other suggestions other than "Cut spending?" Seriously, I could bring in the elephant in the room. Congressman Paul talks about cutting spending then adds earmarks (which is just another form of spending that he rails against). Ending earmarks starts with the individual Congressman, Congressman Paul failed on this issue... Governor Johnson actually slashed spending and vetoed useless bills. He actually put into practice a reform to spending on an executive level.

tate Democrats made defeating Johnson their top priority in 1998, but he won anyway. The feuding continued and his veto total is now up to 750. Only a handful have been overridden—unfortunately one of those overrides was of the 2003 budget. He said he would operate the state agencies at last year’s budget levels. Through determination and wearing down the opposition, he has had legislative successes. He has cut the state income tax, the gasoline tax, the state capital gains tax, and the unemployment tax. In 2001, he wanted a further 7 percent reduction in income tax rates. The legislature cut the tax less than he wanted, so he vetoed the bill. In 1999, he vetoed a 12 cent per pack cigarette tax hike because he opposes all tax hikes.

But, I'll give you his flat tax idea is not the same as Congressman Paul's end the income tax and cut spending. Cutting the income tax is 1 trillion dollars.... anyone see Congressman Paul's plan to cut 1 trillion dollars? I've seen Senator Paul's to cut 500 billion.

Still, where is your "He's for the drug war and anti-prostitution proof."

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Well, if you're going to accusing me of spreading lies, the least you could do is point to some evidence that backs your accusation.

Google is your friend.

Additionally, according to Johnson, spending cuts are absolutely mandatory, but taxes should not be raised. In fact, he declared, “We should eliminate the federal income tax.”

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6286-second-day-of-cpac-outdoes-the-first

In 1999, Johnson became one of the highest-ranking elected officials in the United States to advocate the legalization of marijuana.[22] Saying the War on Drugs was "an expensive bust," he advocated the decriminalization of drug use and the concentration on harm reduction measures for all other illegal drugs. "He compared attempts to enforce the nation's drug laws with the failed attempt at alcohol prohibition. Half of what government spends on police, courts and prisons is to deal with drug offenders."[10] He suggests that drug abuse be treated as a health issue and not as a criminal issue.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_E._Johnson

I can't remember the name of the article, but about a year ago, it was recorded that he said he understood and supported the argument for legalizing hard drugs, but that he was only advocating the legalization of marijuana and the decriminalization of hard drugs, because that's what's possible right now in the current political environment.

 

[Fredom101]

Where did he say he wasn't for making other drugs legal? I watched this video multiple times, some of you are seeing what you want to. He didn't say never had been asked to make prostitution legal, he didn't say he opposed it. Learn to listen. Wow. Also, why does he need to defend Congressman Paul (who I am always shocked when people don't have the courtesy to call him Congressman)?

Again, you heard what you wanted in that interview and now are basically lying about his opinions.

Here's how you are a liar. His actual quote on prostitution: "Given that prostitution takes place, the question is, 'Are you safer engaging a prostitute in Nevada or New Mexico?' I think you are clearly safer engaging one in Nevada in a licensed prostitution establishment." There are more examples but, you are intent on construing a false image of the man.

In the Hannity interview, Hannity accused him of being for legal prostitution. He said "I've never been asked to legalize prostitution, I've never espoused..." and then Hannity cut him off. Sounds like he was going to say he never espoused legalization to me.

The drug issue was in the first part of the hannity vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSsW4abdPg0

Johnson says "The only thing I'm advocating legalizing is pot"

 

[PBrady]

I'm sorry, but anyone who complains that the income tax wouldn't end under Gary (without even going in to whether or not that is correct) please note...it wouldn't end under Ron either. It cannot physically happen in any political climate that may exist in the next 2-6 years.

Why are people discussing non-issues like lowering the income tax versus ending it? IT CANNOT HAPPEN NO MATTER THE CANDIDATE. Gary has a proven record as an executive of lowering taxes. Ron has a proven record as a legislator of lowering taxes. You could make an identical comparison just like that for nearly every issue. Give it up already. Gary is not the enemy, even if he isn't your first choice.

EDIT - And as I type this, someone is saying that under a Ron Paul presidency, all drugs would become legal. I swear, if this is the mentality of the movement then god help us all.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Sorry didn't see your post with this quote. On that Sean Hannity interview I posted, he denied wanting prostitution to be legalized, and said he only wanted MJ legal, not all those other drugs.

No he didn't, he said he was never asked in New Mexico to make it legal. I swear some of you need to listen closely.

 

[low preference guy]

Johnson says "The only thing I'm advocating legalizing is pot"

That's pretty weak. Rand Paul also says (paraphrasing from memory) "I don't advocate ending all Federal drug laws".

But that's because he picks his battles. He didn't say "I advocate keeping them".

Just like Gary doesn't say "I'm advocating keeping meth illegal".

 

[BamaFanNKy]

In the Hannity interview, Hannity accused him of being for legal prostitution. He said "I've never been asked to legalize prostitution, I've never espoused..." and then Hannity cut him off. Sounds like he was going to say he never espoused legalization to me.

The drug issue was in the first part of the hannity vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSsW4abdPg0

Johnson says "The only thing I'm advocating legalizing is pot"

So you AssourofUandMe his position on prostitution and are not being pragmatic on the drug war. Come on, even you know that any politician running for office can't go full retard on ending the drug war. People are just getting to the point of allowing weed to be legal.

 

[Fredom101]

Google is your friend.


http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/politics/6286-second-day-of-cpac-outdoes-the-first

Then why does he not say that on his website? I quoted his site above.

Cutting taxes and being for a flat tax is not coming up with ideas.

The drug & prostitution proof is in the hannity video, I posted above.

 

[low preference guy]

Come on, even you know that any politician running for office can't go full retard on ending the drug war.

So you're saying Ron Paul is a full retard?

 

[Fredom101]

So you AssourofUandMe his position on prostitution and are not being pragmatic on the drug war. Come on, even you know that any politician running for office can't go full retard on ending the drug war. People are just getting to the point of allowing weed to be legal.

This is what he said. Ron Paul says he is against the drug war and wants to legalize ALL drugs. Are you saying RP should back down on his positions here so he can "win"?

 

[low preference guy]

Then why does he not say that on his website? I quoted his site above.

Cutting taxes and being for a flat tax is not coming up with ideas.

The drug & prostitution proof is in the hannity video, I posted above.

You know who also said he would've voted for a flat tax?

Guess???

RON PAUL!@!!!

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

Then why does he not say that on his website? I quoted his site above.

Cutting taxes and being for a flat tax is not coming up with ideas.

The drug & prostitution proof is in the hannity video, I posted above.

Because it would be dumb for his pac website to display every single little nuance of his position. He's not putting the fact that he agrees with the idea of legalizing hard drugs and totally abolishing the federal income tax on his website, because he's trying to get ELECTED. He's emphasizing certain areas of his beliefs and downplaying others. He's trying to choose his battles, and package his Ron Paulian beliefs in a way that's palatable to the AVERAGE voter, not JUST hardcore libertarians.

It's totally illogical to say that if Gary Johnson leaves part of his beliefs off his website, then he doesn't have that belief. Don't be so silly.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

This is what he said. Ron Paul says he is against the drug war and wants to legalize ALL drugs. Are you saying RP should back down on his positions here so he can "win"?

Yes. If you want to win you moderate your words (not your principles) by publicly saying things like, "I think drug enforcement is a local issue" and "We can't afford to keep sending all these people to prison" not that you want it legal. If your goal is to be elected and make real change, yes. If you just want to have your side heard and keep the status quo.... you keep saying exactly what you are thinking.

We live in a world that doesn't want to hear absolute truth. Look at who they are electing.

 

[Fredom101]

That's pretty weak. Rand Paul also says (paraphrasing from memory) "I don't advocate ending all Federal drug laws".

But that's because he picks his battles. He didn't say "I advocate keeping them".

Just like Gary doesn't say "I'm advocating keeping meth illegal".

The only way to solve the meth problem is to legalize it.
Why wouldn't he be for legalizing meth?
Politicians and this kind of pragmatism is what got us into this mess. Not going to back someone who's doing the same thing.

 

[Fredom101]

Yes. If you want to win you moderate your words (not your principles) by publicly saying things like, "I think drug enforcement is a local issue" and "We can't afford to keep sending all these people to prison" not that you want it legal. If your goal is to be elected and make real change, yes. If you just want to have your side heard and keep the status quo.... you keep saying exactly what you are thinking.

We live in a world that doesn't want to hear absolute truth. Look at who they are electing.

Yes, and this is why we need to keep speaking the truth, otherwise everything becomes a cloudy mess of lies.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

The only way to solve the meth problem is to legalize it.
Why wouldn't he be for legalizing meth?
Politicians and this kind of pragmatism is what got us into this mess. Not going to back someone who's doing the same thing.

Actually, most believe if you allow them to smoke weed.... meth problem will probably go away. Some of the largest areas (per capita) for meth issues at least in Kentucky are what is known as "Dry Counties" where no alcohol is served.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Yes, and this is why we need to keep speaking the truth, otherwise everything becomes a cloudy mess of lies.

You can speak truth in very specific language. That's what Governor Johnson and Senator Paul do. That's why they are not vilified (although they still are to some extent) as much as Congressman Paul.

 

[low preference guy]

The only way to solve the meth problem is to legalize it.
Why wouldn't he be for legalizing meth?
Politicians and this kind of pragmatism is what got us into this mess. Not going to back someone who's doing the same thing.

You missed the point. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is for or against legalizing meth. Just like there is no evidence whatsoever that Rand Paul is or isn't in favor of legalizing meth.

In a campaign you pick some issues and make them part of a platform, then talk about those. Meth isn't part of the platform of any of them, because a platform is limited; it can't contain every single position.

Even Ron Paul doesn't list every single position in his platform. I'm pretty convinced he is against the federal speed limit laws, but he never said it. If I were like you, I would say: "Why wouldn't Ron Paul be against federal limit laws? NEOCON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have speak the TruTh!!!1!!!1!!".

 

[Fredom101]

You missed the point. There is no evidence whatsoever that he is for or against legalizing meth. Just like there is no evidence whatsoever that Rand Paul is or isn't in favor of legalizing meth.

In a campaign you pick some issues and make them part of a platform, then talk about those. Meth isn't part of the platform of any of them, because a platform is limited; it can't contain every single position.

Even Ron Paul doesn't list every single position in his platform. I'm pretty convinced he is against the federal speed limit laws, but he never said it. If I were like you, I would say: "Why wouldn't Ron Paul be against federal limit laws? NEOCON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have speak the TruTh!!!1!!!1!!".

I don't like picking battles. I want the whole enchilada, and I want Americans to hear it!