Gary Johnson Gary Johnson: Paul-Johnson ticket 'not a political reality'

[Revolution0918]

Who cares, your not going to find another RON PAUL anywhere? Gary is a great candidate when Ron moves on, quit thinking short term

 

[paulitics]

The thing is, to win, they can't run two candidates that are so similar. They need to diversify it enough to draw voters that wouldn't vote for one to vote for the other. You can not win the election focusing on such a small, narrow slice of the voter pie. I think they actually tend to have a subtractive effect on each other. I would vote for Ron Paul in a heartbeat, but Gary Johnson I would have to think long and hard about.

If hell froze over, and Johnson won the primary, he would need to win over democrats. If he picked a neocon for VP, he would gain the neocons but lose all of the democrats who care about civil liberties, much of the moderates, and probably half of the libertarians who voted for him.

It makes absolutely no sense from a strategic point of view for someone who were to hypothetically win on libertarian stances, to pick someone who opposes those views.

And on top of that, the VP is too powerful to even consider. Just look at Dick Cheney, and HW Bush, both very powerful VPs that proved behind the scenes is where the real power lies. And for Johnson to admit that he would do this for political reasons, reeks of being a politician not someone who is passionate in their beliefs, and thus will hod true to them.

I'm beginning to see why GJ does not have the fire in the belly like RP, and thus why he lacks the ardent support. Is there really a reason to fight for a GJ presidency? Yawn.

 

[pcosmar]

Let me know when GJ has a thirty year history of consistency I can look at.
Hell even 10 years.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Let me know when GJ has a thirty year history of consistency I can look at.
Hell even 10 years.

So you are for career politicians. Cool. I guess 8 years running a state and producing a major business in his state is just kids stuff.

 

[FrankRep]

He is trying to play the game...let him be.

Does he even know the rules?

 

[mczerone]

For libertarians, it’s the dream ticket that will probably never be.

Former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson, who’s been carefully teasing clues about a possible 2012 run for president, told reporters Saturday that there’s no way he could ever run with Texas Rep. Ron Paul, also a possible presidential contender. It’s nothing against Ron Paul — they agree on most issues — it’s because the ticket wouldn’t have the diversity needed to pull in enough votes to win, Johnson said.

“I don’t see it as a political reality at all,” Johnson said when asked if America would ever see a Paul-Johnson ticket on their presidential ballot. “In my opinion, the reality has to be a bigger Republican Party, a bigger Republican base that includes everybody.”



Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/02/12/g...not-a-political-reality-at-all/#ixzz1Dq4fLsyz

He may also mean: someone who is not a southern white guy. Politics and winning are not always about ideology, its mostly about finding a way to get people to associate with you. And having two older white christian guys from the south isn't doesn't pull as many voters as does a diverse ticket, calculated to draw as many more in as get turned off as possible.

RP should be thinking about this, too. Considering someone who would be right for the job who has a background on the East Coast, or some other difference demographically, could help win the election (and dispel some rumors/fears/negative impressions about Ron).

 

[pcosmar]

So you are for career politicians. Cool. I guess 8 years running a state and producing a major business in his state is just kids stuff.

Nope, but the only reason that I support Ron Paul is because of his long and consistent history.
He Represents Me.

First time in my life I have seen that, and likely the last.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Nope, but the only reason that I support Ron Paul is because of his long and consistent history.
He Represents Me.

First time in my life I have seen that, and likely the last.

What exactly is Governor Johnson saying, you have a problem with?


Not to mention he won election and re-election in a Democrat state. Same with Senator Paul winning Kentucky in a Democrat state (although KY votes GOP in federal races unlike NM). Plus, he's the only GOP governor not to support W's reelection.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I think Walter Williams could be a great VP pick for anybody.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

You Johnson haters are full of it.

Seriously. Gary Johnson has almost all the same views as Ron Paul on everything, Gary just chooses to push for and emphasize certain things while Ron Paul chooses to push for and emphasize certain things. Gary is personally pro-choice and Ron is personally pro-life, but they would both just appoint judges who would overturn Roe V Wade as president. Both Gary and Ron think it would be a good idea to legalize all drugs (Gary is on record saying this), but Gary is only campaigning for the legalization of marijuana for now because legalizing hard drugs is not a political possibility yet--more education and mind-changing must be done, like it was done with marijuana. Gary is not "pro-open borders" or "pro-amnesty," but he is "pro-legal immigration" and he wants to make it easier for foreigners to get work visas (and nobody who is "anti-immigration" can legitimately call themselves a libertarian, anyway). Like Ron, Gary has said he WOULD like to abolish the income tax, but he recognizes the only real political possibility at this point is a proposal to replace the income tax with a flat tax or fair tax, to mitigate a lot of the bad consequences of the current federal income tax code (and Ron Paul has said he would sign a bill replacing the income tax with a fair tax or flat tax also). The difference between Ron and Gary is not one of personal beliefs. Their personal beliefs are pretty much identical. It's that Gary is choosing to campaign for the things that are actually politically viable right now, because he's been trained as an executive to GET THINGS DONE. Ron, on the other hand, is choosing to talk about things that aren't going to happen for another 50 or 100 years perhaps, because Ron is a self-taught academic/scholar who wants to CHANGE MINDS. Both roles are legitimate and necessary. That's part of the division of labor. Ron Paul is better at educating and changing minds of the people, and Gary is better at making real libertarian policy changes from within government.

Quit the Johnson hating. Seriously.

 

[Fredom101]

Who cares, your not going to find another RON PAUL anywhere? Gary is a great candidate when Ron moves on, quit thinking short term

I would never support anyone who wasn't opposed to the war on drugs or the income tax.

 

[pcosmar]

You Johnson haters are full of it.
.

Hey. Fuck off.
I don't hate the guy. I am simply NOT a supporter.

Quit fuckin' shovin' him down my throat. It is beginning to annoy me.
and I have ignored several dozen other threads without saying anything .
But it is getting obnoxious.

 

[aspiringconstitutionalist]

I would never support anyone who wasn't opposed to the war on drugs or the income tax.

Then you should have no problem supporting Gary Johnson if he's the nominee, since Johnson is opposed to both.

 

[Wren]

You Johnson haters are full of it.

Seriously. Gary Johnson has almost all the same views as Ron Paul on everything, Gary just chooses to push for and emphasize certain things while Ron Paul chooses to push for and emphasize certain things. Gary is personally pro-choice and Ron is personally pro-life, but they would both just appoint judges who would overturn Roe V Wade as president. Both Gary and Ron think it would be a good idea to legalize all drugs (Gary is on record saying this), but Gary is only campaigning for the legalization of marijuana for now because legalizing hard drugs is not a political possibility yet--more education and mind-changing must be done, like it was done with marijuana. Gary is not "pro-open borders" or "pro-amnesty," but he is "pro-legal immigration" and he wants to make it easier for foreigners to get work visas (and nobody who is "anti-immigration" can legitimately call themselves a libertarian, anyway). Like Ron, Gary has said he WOULD like to abolish the income tax, but he recognizes the only real political possibility at this point is a proposal to replace the income tax with a flat tax or fair tax, to mitigate a lot of the bad consequences of the current federal income tax code (and Ron Paul has said he would sign a bill replacing the income tax with a fair tax or flat tax also). The difference between Ron and Gary is not one of personal beliefs. Their personal beliefs are pretty much identical. It's that Gary is choosing to campaign for the things that are actually politically viable right now, because he's been trained as an executive to GET THINGS DONE. Ron, on the other hand, is choosing to talk about things that aren't going to happen for another 50 or 100 years perhaps, because Ron is a self-taught academic/scholar who wants to CHANGE MINDS. Both roles are legitimate and necessary. That's part of the division of labor. Ron Paul is better at educating and changing minds of the people, and Gary is better at making real libertarian policy changes from within government.

Quit the Johnson hating. Seriously.

What an extremely overused and hackneyed catchphrase that people use when someone disapproves of something. So anyone who disagrees with Johnson is automatically deemed as a "hater"? Nevermind that we see Ron as the better candidate, we just hatin' right?

Let's see, Gary Johnson believes in:

Humanitarian wars <- BIG DEAL
Intervention when it comes to to defending Israel <- ALSO BIG DEAL
He believes that Iraq, a broke nation, owes us money for liberating them. <- LOLWUT

And is no where near as intelligent or articulate as Ron when it comes to foreign policy, the economy, the FED, etc

And nevermind that GJ is in on this for himself and will end up splitting the vote with Ron, we're all just effing haterz.

Is anyone else getting annoyed with all these Gary Johnson threads?

 

[Fredom101]

Let's put an end to the rumors. Gary Johnson does NOT support the war on drugs. He does NOT support legalizing prostitution. And, he did NOT come to Ron Paul's defense when Hannity slammed Paul for "blaming us for 9/11". Here's part 2 of that interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zXaPIc5bMc&playnext=1&list=PL981DDCA5134CF6CE

Gary Johnson is for legalizing pot, and that's it. He told Hannity this very thing. Why does anyone think he will do anything different?

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Hey. Fuck off.
I don't hate the guy. I am simply NOT a supporter.

Quit fuckin' shovin' him down my throat. It is beginning to annoy me.
and I have ignored several dozen other threads without saying anything .
But it is getting obnoxious.

I think most Governor Johnson supporters are just as frustrated with people who misrepresent him. It's almost as if they think tearing him down endears people to Congressman Paul. ALL OF US LOVE CONGRESSMAN PAUL! We had people say the same things they are saying about Governor Johnson when Senator Paul was running. Some people from this forum live in a world where only Congressman Paul is worthy of respect.

 

[Fredom101]

Then you should have no problem supporting Gary Johnson if he's the nominee, since Johnson is opposed to both.

The quotes I have from him say nothing of the sort. He wants to legalize pot and reduce income taxes. Nothing more.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Let's put an end to the rumors. Gary Johnson does NOT support the war on drugs. He does NOT support legalizing prostitution. And, he did NOT come to Ron Paul's defense when Hannity slammed Paul for "blaming us for 9/11". Here's part 2 of that interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zXaPIc5bMc&playnext=1&list=PL981DDCA5134CF6CE

Gary Johnson is for legalizing pot, and that's it. He told Hannity this very thing. Why does anyone think he will do anything different?

Where did he say he wasn't for making other drugs legal? I watched this video multiple times, some of you are seeing what you want to. He didn't say never had been asked to make prostitution legal, he didn't say he opposed it. Learn to listen. Wow. Also, why does he need to defend Congressman Paul (who I am always shocked when people don't have the courtesy to call him Congressman)?

Again, you heard what you wanted in that interview and now are basically lying about his opinions.

Here's how you are a liar. His actual quote on prostitution: "Given that prostitution takes place, the question is, 'Are you safer engaging a prostitute in Nevada or New Mexico?' I think you are clearly safer engaging one in Nevada in a licensed prostitution establishment." There are more examples but, you are intent on construing a false image of the man.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

The quotes I have from him say nothing of the sort. He wants to legalize pot and reduce income taxes. Nothing more.

Lies, Lies and more lies. It's ok to prefer Congressman Paul but, at least be honest about others opinions.

 

[pcosmar]

Lies, Lies and more lies. It's ok to prefer Congressman Paul but, at least be honest about others opinions.

And while were at it bring back all the Paul/Palin and Paul/Kusunich threads too. As if there weren't enough of them.