Gary Johnson Gary Johnson just announced that he is running for President

[LibertyEagle]

Why are some of the Ron-Paul-Only-ists saying that Gary Johnson swooped in at the last minute to "steal" the 2012 race away from Ron Paul???

I haven't seen anyone say that. Rather, that Johnson seems to believe he owns Ron Paul's coattails. Problem is, Ron Paul is still wearing his coat. In that light, Johnson reminds me a lot of Bob Barr.

If anything, it is Ron Paul who decided to come swooping back in and "steal" the 2012 race from Gary J. (Not that I believe that's the case--neither Paul nor Johnson is "stealing" anything from eachother, only adding, but it's complete nonsense to accuse Gary J of stealing the election from Ron Paul, since it's actually quite the other way around).

Uh, WHAT???

Right now, Johnson isn't more than a blister on Ron Paul's foot.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Yes, Dr. Paul admitted that it was a mistake, and he took responsibility for not overseeing the process. Guess you missed all that?

In the meantime, I haven't heard Johnson say that quote is not accurate or that he never said it. Apples vs. Oranges.
Politicians that Gary Johnson Admires: George Bush, Jeb Bush, George Pataki, Christine Whitman and Pete Wilson

Um.... ok. Let me break this to you slowly. In 2004, when G.W. was running, he refused to endorse him. I think he corrected his statement through his actions. When he was Governor, he vetoed 750 bills, reduced spending in half and reduced taxes. His ACTIONS are more impressive than the one quote you pulled from 2000. The man in his recent Reason interview said he "Used to admire people" but, he doesn't anymore because they disappoint you.

Go to 6:50. His statement is so true about Political heroes:

 

[low preference guy]

Gary is nowhere near as good as Ron AND has zero chance. What a waste of time.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Gary is nowhere near as good as Ron AND has zero chance. What a waste of time.

If you are more Socially Conservative this statement is true. It is a waste of time for both.

Both could win state Senate seats.

 

[specsaregood]

Um.... ok. Let me break this to you slowly. In 2004, when G.W. was running, he refused to endorse him. I think he corrected his statement through his actions. When he was Governor, he vetoed 750 bills, reduced spending in half and reduced taxes. His ACTIONS are more impressive than the one quote you pulled from 2000. The man in his recent Reason interview said he "Used to admire people" but, he doesn't anymore because they disappoint you.

The problem with using that excuse is that the majority of the people in that list had been in office a significant amount of time BEFORE the quote. so you can't use the "oh they disappointed later" reasoning.

Gary is nowhere near as good as Ron AND has zero chance. What a waste of time.

So true. Thread winner.

 

[nate895]

It is a waste of time for both.

You quite clearly haven't heard of "Momentum." Paul has it. Johnson doesn't.

 

[low preference guy]

If you are more Socially Conservative this statement is true. It is a waste of time for both.

Both could win state Senate seats.

What a moronic statement.

This is why Gary Johnson sucks: All he wants to do is tinker around the edges. Guess what? It doesn't matter in the long run. He reduced the size of government during the tenure as Governor. What happened a few years after he left? All the growth resumed and the government is more oppressive every day.

What Ron Paul wants to achieve is not only a good presidency, but a philosophical change. He wants to prove the we don't need an income tax. He'll bring all the troops home immediately. He doesn't flirt with "humanitarian" wars like Johnson. Johnson isn't even really opposed to an interventionist foreign policy or to the Fed, which makes it obvious that he won't have a lasting positive impact.

In summary, with Johnson you get a slightly less evil government during his tenure. Once he is gone, the Leviathan will crush you again, just like is happening in New Mexico. Ron Paul however doesn't tinker around the edges. He'll bring real and lasting change.

 

[S.Shorland]

Thanks! I hate his slimy guts now.

Robert Wenzel Agrees with me:

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/04/gary-johnson-to-announce-his-run-for.html

Originally posted on Lew Rockwell's Political Theater:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/politicaltheatre/2011/04/gary-johnson-the-next-ron-paul/



Devastating.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

You quite clearly haven't heard of "Momentum." Paul has it. Johnson doesn't.

I have. I think having Rand has helped Ron more than anything. Rand has normalized his father to the mass of the GOP primary voters.

 

[LisaNY]

lol, the Council on Foreign Relations Blog has a glowing piece on Gary today, but I'm not linking to it.

Like every other article, Ron's name is mentioned. I don't personally care but I'm getting concerned that no distinctions are being made between Ron Paul's pro-life stance and Gary's pro-choice stance. As we know many Republican voters are pro-life. When they see these articles saying Gary is like Ron and Gary is pro-choice (without mentioning Ron's position), it will confuse the average voter (imo).

 

[nate895]

I have. I think having Rand has helped Ron more than anything. Rand has normalized his father to the mass of the GOP primary voters.

Yeah: Paul had 30-40% favorability ratings in the '08 primaries. This year, his fave ratings are in league with the top tier. Furthermore, Paul is a second choice among a sizable chunk of the GOP. What does this mean? We need to sling mud at his opponents.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

What a moronic statement.

This is why Gary Johnson sucks: All he wants to do is tinker around the edges. Guess what? It doesn't matter in the long run. He reduced the size of government during the tenure as Governor. What happened a few years after he left? All the growth resumed and the government is more oppressive every day.

What Ron Paul wants to achieve is not only a good presidency, but a philosophical change. He wants to prove the we don't need an income tax. He'll bring all the troops home immediately. He doesn't flirt with "humanitarian" wars like Johnson. Johnson isn't even really opposed to an interventionist foreign policy or to the Fed, which makes it obvious that he won't have a lasting positive impact.

In summary, with Johnson you get a slightly less evil government during his tenure. Once he is gone, the Leviathan will crush you again, just like is happening in New Mexico. Ron Paul however doesn't tinker around the edges. He'll bring real and lasting change.

You actually think one to two terms in office will stop Leviathan. You call me the moron.

It's like the people in Kentucky who talk about "The Governor's Mansion." Seriously, President can change our course in terms of military and agenda for their term but, the culture only changes from the Legislative body. Hell, we could change what the President does if we changed that and had the Legislature take their power back. To me, the Executive is the most overhyped office since it is term limited and everyone changes when they get in there because they are allowed 180 days to govern then it's time to think about the next election.

 

[BamaFanNKy]

Yeah: Paul had 30-40% favorability ratings in the '08 primaries. This year, his fave ratings are in league with the top tier. Furthermore, Paul is a second choice among a sizable chunk of the GOP. What does this mean? We need to sling mud at his opponents.

Just remember though. There are many Johnson people who will support Senator Paul. There is a problem in this movement of name calling and acting like children. ON HERE, it's fine (yet people do read the boards) but, in public it's different. Kill them with kindness.

I've always started out with something I like about their guy but, then switch to why my guy is better.

 

[Johnnymac]

I don't think so. Don't know what Johnson's thinking, but Rep. Paul is plenty smart enough to know that it's now or never. We broke the virgin sod last round, and this time we're going to bear fruit or it's going to be Soros' currency and reeducation camps for those who don't like it. Last chance.

Ron's running to win, this time. And if he comes out of the first debate thinking he can't, I'm betting Rand's hat goes in the ring the same day. Do or die time. There is no 2016 without victory in 2012.

Well said +1

 

[BamaFanNKy]

lol, the Council on Foreign Relations Blog has a glowing piece on Gary today, but I'm not linking to it.

Like every other article, Ron's name is mentioned. I don't personally care but I'm getting concerned that no distinctions are being made between Ron Paul's pro-life stance and Gary's pro-choice stance. As we know many Republican voters are pro-life. When they see these articles saying Gary is like Ron and Gary is pro-choice (without mentioning Ron's position), it will confuse the average voter (imo).

Just wait. They are making moves now to show Gary for what he is. He is most likely an atheist, Pro-Choice, Libertarian, divorced 50something year old former Governor. He will have a major mountain to climb. This is why he would appeal as VP for someone as he's a good olive branch to some dems and hardcore coastal Libertarians.

 

[nate895]

Just remember though. There are many Johnson people who will support Senator Paul. There is a problem in this movement of name calling and acting like children. ON HERE, it's fine (yet people do read the boards) but, in public it's different. Kill them with kindness.

I've always started out with something I like about their guy but, then switch to why my guy is better.

I've brought this up before, but we need an organization to do this that isn't officially associated with Paul that he can distance himself from, but still be used to his advantage.

 

[Nathan Hale]

It benefits us to have multiple liberty candidates in the early days of the primary. See my thread called "The Ames Accord" for a debate on this.

NOTE: I am not tracking this thread so don't bother replying to this message, I only posted this so anybody interested in pursuing the "we need multiple candidates" vs "we should have one candidate" debate can do so where it was intended. My thread on the Ames Accord is in the Ames Straw Poll subcategory. Sorry, but this thread is already 17 pages long in less than a day and I don't have that kind of free time to sift through replies.

 

[Johnnymac]

I don't think his target is the Ron Paul crowd.

Yea he's not gettin me

 

[BamaFanNKy]

I've brought this up before, but we need an organization to do this that isn't officially associated with Paul that he can distance himself from, but still be used to his advantage.

Um..... the organization has been formed. They have experience in tearing down liberty candidates with perceived flaws:

 

[Johnnymac]

Over all the only way I would support GJ is if Ron wasn't running but i think we can be sure Ron is running, which now makes me not want GJ to run at all, it's true there are more voices up there, but if were here to win this isn't the way, I personally don't think we need two voices RP has gotten enough attention for people to listen to him this time around, and I think we can do it without GJ.