Gary Johnson Announcement?

[klamath]

Sanford sounded and acted great on fiscal policy, all that matters right?
Then we find out he was spending state money to visit his honey.
Let Johnson run for president and believe me there will be more to the story.
I have no problem voting for someone that has been divorced, people make mistakes. What I do have a problem with is, if there was unethical behavior involved that puts into question whether I can trust them.
I have been down this road before. Better of two evils. I had the choice of voting for a man that was part of a known interventionist administration or a governor that stated multiple times he wanted a humble foreign policy and wanted to lead the world by example not by force. On retrospect I wish I hadn't of voted for or supported with cash that governor as he did more harm to my beliefs and issues than the vice president of the interventionist administration.
Beware who you throw you support behind as he might very well turn out to hurt your cause far worse than to have a known enemy win.
I have become a strong believer in getting the right man or vote for gridlock. We will be a lot safer with gridlock than a poor leader that shoots us all down.
Bear in mind that I haven't completely written off Johnson, but some big red flags have been raised and I think he needs to be watched just as I believe Glenn Beck needs to be watched as a possible bad person to back.

 

[itshappening]

Ugh...

Johnson just keeps on looking like a weak candidate with extremely little hope of winning the Republican nomination... and yet sadly he is our best hope.

I will support him, but I am NOT happy at all about him being pro-choice, even if his position is the same as Paul's, I still don't like him being pro-choice, and I don't like the idea of a leader being a person that can't remain commited to their spouse either.

I always think if Gene Simmons can do it, ANYONE can do it.

We should all pray or do whatever it is you like to do to try to make things happen that Ron Paul will run again, because even at his old age I think he will be a much stronger candidate than Johnson.

We're just not in a good situation for a candidate to run. Ron's old, and Sanford and Johnson can't stay away from other women. And Johnson is pro-choice, and Sanford is not a sure thing anyway, he could be just another typical politician.

No one is going to be perfect sadly

 

[Flash]

Stop saying Johnson can't stay away from other woman. One marriage didn't work out, end of story. Same thing happened to John Mccain and he still won the Republican nomination.

By the way for a board that pretends to care about marriage so much I find it funny most of you support gay marriage. I do as well, but I understandt he original intent of marriage was for a male & a female. If marriage is such a sacred thing, then may be you guys are against the Libertarian position on it?

 

[Njon]

Can't vote for him because he didn't stop having sex once his wife died?

That's not what happened. Did you read the article I linked to? He left his wife.

 

[Njon]

By the way for a board that pretends to care about marriage so much I find it funny most of you support gay marriage. I do as well, but I understandt he original intent of marriage was for a male & a female. If marriage is such a sacred thing, then may be you guys are against the Libertarian position on it?

I don't support gay 'marriage.' Marriage is a covenant between one man and one woman. And ideally, the government shouldn't be involved in licensing marriage at all.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

The pillars of the Republic are falling down all around you, and you base your damn voting on whether or not he is married, or left his wife? Good grief, if this is the Liberty movement we are doomed.

 

[Elwar]

The pillars of the Republic are falling down all around you, and you base your damn voting on whether or not he is married, or left his wife? Good grief, if this is the Liberty movement we are doomed.

Exactly, someone can veto every big government bill that comes across the table but veer away from little house on the prairie and you're the devil.

Romney is a good mormon...sure, he's also a socialist and facist but he wears his holy underwear to sleep every day so we might as well stand behind him.

 

[Flash]

I don't support gay 'marriage.' Marriage is a covenant between one man and one woman. And ideally, the government shouldn't be involved in licensing marriage at all.

You would then be this critical of the 70% of marriages that fail, right? You would blame the victim of abuse if she or he left the marriage? You would say that person comitted a grave sin?

His religous beliefs may not be the same as yours, he may not view marriage as a sacred thing. If you are judging him on his religion then you are no worst than the ones who dismissed Ron for being a creationist.

 

[justinc.1089]

I don't really like what Johnson and Sanford did with their marriages, but that wouldn't stop me from supporting them.

It just lowers them in my opinion because it shows a lack of discipline.

I know you guys are saying Johnson did not cheat on his wife, but the chance is good that he did in my opinion. But again it won't change my support for him.

I don't find a contradiction in supporting a libertarian position on marriage and saying its bad for someone to cheat on their spouse or end marriages for no good reason though.

 

[RyanRSheets]

I didn't read what he did, but a constitution doesn't bitch at you for pointless reasons. It's a bit easier to commit to long term.

It started out great! I particularly loved her Post Office and general welfare. It seemed like we were made for eachother, and everyone kept commenting how great a couple we made. She was all I could think about for a while. I traveled the country talking about how much she inspired me! She called me nightly to make sure I wasn't misusing my power.

I had big goals though, and she wanted me to be a man I couldn't be. I wanted to help the poor. I wanted to stop the violence. I wanted to clean up the streets. She said I was overstepping my bounds and that I should let them make their mistakes so that they could learn from them. I told her that she would agree with me if she would have been there at the time.

One night I asked if she would be willing to give me her paper. I wanted to have tax. She told me she'd only allow it if it was consistant and fair and first we'd have to get ratified. We disagreed, and that was the beginning of our struggles. I wrote the tax on her anyhow and told her to be silent. I think I hurt her pretty bad then. She just kept nagging me with that damned First Amendment, so I seceded. It just wasn't going to work out, me a power hungry tyrant, it being a modest, agreeable document.

 

[Njon]

The pillars of the Republic are falling down all around you, and you base your damn voting on whether or not he is married, or left his wife? Good grief, if this is the Liberty movement we are doomed.

Leaving one's wife, especially when she is ailing, shows an essential lack of character.

 

[Njon]

You would then be this critical of the 70% of marriages that fail, right? You would blame the victim of abuse if she or he left the marriage? You would say that person comitted a grave sin?

I'm not getting into a theological debate over when divorce is permissible and when it's not. But I will say that 'irreconcilable differences' or 'no longer in love' is not a valid reason in the eyes of God. I don't know what reason was cited in this particular case, but the article I referenced seems to imply such a reason.

His religous beliefs may not be the same as yours, he may not view marriage as a sacred thing.

It really doesn't matter what he or I believe. What matters is what's true, and marriage is a sacred covenant. While it may be legal under the law of man to divorce for almost any reason, that doesn't make it morally-correct.

If you are judging him on his religion then you are no worst than the ones who dismissed Ron for being a creationist.

I'm making a judgment based on his actions.

 

[haaaylee]

That's not what happened. Did you read the article I linked to? He left his wife.

Not every divorce is mutual. Would you rather him stay in a marriage where he wasn't happy? There were together since '77. It isn't like he has been jumping around from woman to woman over the years. Not every marriage (shit, hardly any) works out for the rest of either one's lives.

 

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Leaving one's wife, especially when she is ailing, shows an essential lack of character.

I don't care. All I care about is if he is on the side of Liberty or not. This is why the Liberty movement and the LP never go anywhere. The people who support such a movement are the pickiest sons of bitches I've ever seen. If you don't agree 100% with a candidate then you trash them. We'll never go anywhere that way.

People aren't perfect. There is more important things then a politicians private life, that is OUR REPUBLIC.

So go ahead, try and find your "perfect" candidate, while I will fight for Liberty every chance I get. That is the difference between purists and Liberty minded people. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND LOOK AROUND YOU.

 

[teamrican1]

Leaving one's wife, especially when she is ailing, shows an essential lack of character.

Dee Johnson died of a sudden and unexpected heart attack a year after the divorce. She wasn't "ailing".

People grow apart. It happens. The great Harry Browne listed marriage as one of his "traps" in How I Found Freedom in an Unfree World for a reason.

 

[Njon]

Not every divorce is mutual. Would you rather him stay in a marriage where he wasn't happy? There were together since '77. It isn't like he has been jumping around from woman to woman over the years. Not every marriage (shit, hardly any) works out for the rest of either one's lives.

Marriage is a lifetime commitment. If someone doesn't take that seriously, they shouldn't get married in the first place. http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?q=Matthew+19:1-12

 

[Njon]

I don't care. All I care about is if he is on the side of Liberty or not. This is why the Liberty movement and the LP never go anywhere. The people who support such a movement are the pickiest sons of bitches I've ever seen. If you don't agree 100% with a candidate then you trash them.

That's not true. I don't agree with Dr. Paul 100% of the time. But I know that he is committed to constitutional government and I believe that he is a man of good character.

A man of good character who is not committed to the Constitution doesn't help us.

A man of bad character who is (allegedly) committed to the Constitution can't be trusted to govern justly.

People aren't perfect. There is more important things then a politicians private life, that is OUR REPUBLIC.

Indeed, people are not perfect. We're all morally flawed in various ways. But nevertheless, if someone is willing to sell out in their family life, what makes you think they will be trustworthy in their public life?

 

[Njon]

Dee Johnson died of a sudden and unexpected heart attack a year after the divorce. She wasn't "ailing".

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Gary_E._Johnson&oldid=313295888 says she died of "hypertensive cardiovascular disease." Footnote number #14 linked to http://www.freenewmexican.com/news/56804.html (listed as: Santa Fe New Mexican Feb 11, 2007) but that link didn't work.

 

[justinc.1089]

I don't care. All I care about is if he is on the side of Liberty or not. This is why the Liberty movement and the LP never go anywhere. The people who support such a movement are the pickiest sons of bitches I've ever seen. If you don't agree 100% with a candidate then you trash them. We'll never go anywhere that way.

People aren't perfect. There is more important things then a politicians private life, that is OUR REPUBLIC.

So go ahead, try and find your "perfect" candidate, while I will fight for Liberty every chance I get. That is the difference between purists and Liberty minded people. WAKE THE FUCK UP AND LOOK AROUND YOU.

Yeah I agree with this, and its why despite not being thrilled about Johnson I will still support him, unless something changes like he says we should not only stay in Iraq 100 years if thats how long it takes to win, but also defeat Iran at the same time. He would lose my support then lol.

But I can handle him not making perfect decisions because no one is perfect, he could regret it for all we know, and I can handle him being pro-choice IF he remains constant in supporting states handling that individually.

 

[tajitj]

So if Gary runs and we basically get behind the guy because he supports Ron Paul and almost everthing we do, we are goin to have people like Njon bashing him the whole time. Even going out of their way to tell other people to not support the guy, an active anti Gary Johnson campaign of their own.

Reminds me of hardcore Baldwin supporters VS Bob Barr. It is really hurts our movement to not agree to disagree on a candidate. You may be the biggest supporter of godly marriage but a lot of people get married for their own reasons that have nothing to do with God.