Gary Franchi claims Amash is going to endorse Romney [update: Amash says false]

We need more people like Tom Davis in office. Someone who respects liberty and votes conscious. Not someone playing the field.
 
Ron Paul got me into politics because i thought he was trying to change them for the better. This seems like the same ol' bullshit.
 
moostraks said:
And that is the problem with being effective at changing the system within theory. If we can't even remain silent on the subject
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If you want to remain silent on this subject, don't expect to get any more Amashes or Rand Pauls or Massies elected.

It'd be totally non-acceptable to have Republican Congressmen or Senators not endorsing Romney. I belong to the GOP wing more likely to support Ron Paul type of candidates. I've donate to a few.

If they and their supporters are in this for themselves and can't even endorse the candidates I like and, at a minimum the presidential ticket, then I'm not not going to support them any more. Next time there's a Ron Paul conservative vs. some RINO establishment type, I vote for the RINO. And if you lose people like me, people in the Mike Lee/Jeff Flake/Jim DeMint/Tom McClintock/Jason Chaffetz wing of the party, good luck trying to win anything worth of note. I don't agree with, eg., Amash on everything, but I'd still support him in a primary challenge coming from the establishment. But if Amash (or generic RP republican) supporters don't reciprocate, then I need to redefine my policy of alliances. At least I know the other guys aren't in the party selectively and have my back to some extent.

If you aren't able to understand that political alliances are necessary and that compromising in terms of politics doesnt' imply any compromise of principles, then you need to get out of the party - sooner or later you'll be kicked out anyway. If you can only support candidates with whom you agree 100% or 99% or whatever, then don't expect me to support any of your candidates. I'd rather side with someone I agree only 50% but that I know will be behind my favourite candidates when it comes to that.
 
DeMintConservative said:
If you want to remain silent on this subject, don't expect to get any more Amashes or Rand Pauls or Massies elected.

It'd be totally non-acceptable to have Republican Congressmen or Senators not endorsing Romney. I belong to the GOP wing more likely to support Ron Paul type of candidates. I've donate to a few.

If they and their supporters are in this for themselves and can't even endorse the candidates I like and, at a minimum the presidential ticket, then I'm not not going to support them any more. Next time there's a Ron Paul conservative vs. some RINO establishment type, I vote for the RINO. And if you lose people like me, people in the Mike Lee/Jeff Flake/Jim DeMint/Tom McClintock/Jason Chaffetz wing of the party, good luck trying to win anything worth of note. I don't agree with, eg., Amash on everything, but I'd still support him in a primary challenge coming from the establishment. But if Amash (or generic RP republican) supporters don't reciprocate, then I need to redefine my policy of alliances. At least I know the other guys aren't in the party selectively and have my back to some extent.

If you aren't able to understand that political alliances are necessary and that compromising in terms of politics doesnt' imply any compromise of principles, then you need to get out of the party - sooner or later you'll be kicked out anyway. If you can only support candidates with whom you agree 100% or 99% or whatever, then don't expect me to support any of your candidates. I'd rather side with someone I agree only 50% but that I know will be behind my favourite candidates when it comes to that.
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Did you support Ron Paul? Because if you didn't, it seems your support never was there when it really counts most.
 
erowe1 said:
That's not true.
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I agree. A vague 'I support our nominee' from the more junior of them is considered baseline, though and they would have to have a justification to do otherwise, or a universally unpopular candidate, imho. An 'endorsement' is a choice and always has been.

I strongly suspect Franchi is taking Amash's tweet that 'after nomination I will support the nominee but I won't endorse any presidential candidate but Ron Paul' as a proposed endorsement - rather than supporting the nominee. There is a big difference as I understand this.
 
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erowe1 said:
As a conservative and an intelligent man, I'm not certain that he would prefer Romney over Obama. Granted, that doesn't mean he can't endorse Romney anyway. But when he's casting his secret ballot, I think I have a sense of where he's coming from, and I don't see casting a vote for Romney as especially likely.
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I think he probably well. There are records that show that he donated money to McCain in 2008, and McCain was probably worse than Romney.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
I think he probably well. There are records that show that he donated money to McCain in 2008, and McCain was probably worse than Romney.
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I didn't know about those donations. But I'd actually rate Romney as worse than McCain. McCain was at least something of a budget hawk, and he voted against Medicare Part D, which I can't imagine Romney having done.
 
Traditional Conservative said:
I think he probably well. There are records that show that he donated money to McCain in 2008, and McCain was probably worse than Romney.
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AFTER convention I wouldn't have had a huge problem with his 'playing the game' that way because it wouldn't be AGAINST Ron's candidacy, except that he promised not to. Not to endorse, in any event.
 
sailingaway said:
AFTER convention I wouldn't have had a huge problem with his 'playing the game' that way because it wouldn't be AGAINST Ron's candidacy, except that he promised not to. Not to endorse, in any event.
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He hasn't endorsed yet. And it remains to be seen if he will. And if he does, it may well be after the convention. He did promise that, and that should count for something. But when someone puts out their thoughts on Facebook as freely and frequently as Amash, I think we have to understand that sometimes he'll say things he wouldn't if his communication were more thought-out, infrequent, and edited.
 
sailingaway said:
Did you support Ron Paul? Because if you didn't, it seems your support never was there when it really counts most.
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I actually voted for him in the primary, but more as a protest vote. I'm not exactly a Ron Paul supporter. But that's exactly my point: I've donated money to Kerry Bentivolio and Thomas Massie this cycle; Rand Paul (quite a bit) and Keith Blandford in the last. Even though I certainly don't agree with them on, say, the currency issue. But I just liked them more than their opponents, in the primary and certainly in the general.

Now, if there is no retribution, why should I and people like me keep doing it? We're undermining ourselves.
 
This is pure propaganda. Amash has said that he endorsed Ron Paul and won't be endorsing anyone else for President. Everything else said in here are unfounded claims from people not affiliated with Amash directly whatsoever. Why wouldn't this fake "news report" mention that Amash recently emphatically and directly stated that he won't be endorsing anyone else for President?

https://www.facebook.com/justinamash/posts/10151095545868866?refid=52&_ft_=fbid.188824237916043
 
erowe1 said:
I can't begin to understand those priorities.
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It's very simple: if someone like DeMint or Mike Lee or Jeff Flake become a presidential candidate some day, I don't want to be spending time and money on people that, if that moment comes, will endorse the Demcorat or some 3rd party candidacy or stay neutral.

It's impossible to implement positive policy changes without building political alliances. So I need to keep an eye on the later if I actually want to achieve something when it comes to the former. And I do, I'm not into politics to get some sort of perverted emotional self-satisfaction.
 
From Amash:

The claims are false. I am not endorsing anyone other than Ron Paul. I will help the Republican nominee after the convention.
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Although I'm not sure what he means by help though.
 
I've been reading these threads for some time now, but i've also noticed in the last couple days there has been an increase of 'he said, she said' type articles coming out. For once, just think positive instead of negative.

If the Romney camp thinks they have won, then the Romney delegates will vote Romney. It's our task to convince the Romney delegates to think our way is better.

#####HOLD THE LINE######
 
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