Garden of Eden Bible Study

The whole earth was not flooded. Eight Adamic souls were save so that Christ could be born through that bloodline--umbilical cord to umbilical cord.

Genesis 6:11
11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.

Strong's Concordance definition of "earth"

Eretz, which the translators usually render "land"

The Giants were not all over the earth.

Genesis 6

17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Continued...

18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. [8 Adamic souls]

19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

20 Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.

[Human beings are flesh]
added to,,for confusion (not in the verse)

21 And take thou unto thee of all food that is eaten, and thou shalt gather it to thee; and it shall be for food for thee, and for them.

22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he.
And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.

Unless you are saying that Cain is an animal,, (unsupported at all) then he and all life were killed.

kind of, the purpose of the flood. to wipe ALL life from the earth.

except for 8 souls.

Which one was Cain?
 
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So why do you supposed "touch" was written into the Verse 3? It's NOT my words, the word is clear, "touch."

Rightly dividing the Word.

Because the devil lies...

That is what the devil said,,, NOT what God said.

Why are you listening to the devil.?. that got Eve in trouble.
 
So why do you supposed "touch" was written into the Verse 3? It's NOT my words, the word is clear, "touch."

Rightly dividing the Word.

Rightly dividing nothing, donnay. More like distorting the truth.

How is it that the Apostles were not privy to this major news that Eve had sex with Satan and gave birth to Satan’s child? Are you more illuminated than the Apostles?
 
Abel has no mention in Adam's line,, nor do any of the other sons and daughters.

only the line of Seth..

Abel is not in the genealogy because he was dead and had no progeny. Cain went to the land of Nod and married a woman--where do you suppose this woman came from? He had children, he has a genealogy too.


This study has been Good. I learned something.

Abraham had more sons than I thought. Isaac and Ishmael I knew of,,


Must have read that a dozen times and missed it.
six more sons of Abraham.

Yes the Word is fluid and I learn new things everyday too.

Matthew 13:10-11 (KJV)

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 
Abel is not in the genealogy because he was dead and had no progeny. Cain went to the land of Nod and married a woman--where do you suppose this woman came from? He had children, he has a genealogy too.

Yes he did,, and Adam and Eve had other children and that are all dead in the Flood.. ALL OF THEM.

wherever the land of nod was before the flood.. it was washed clean of the filth.
 
Yes he did,, and Adam and Eve had other children and that are all dead in the Flood.. ALL OF THEM.

wherever the land of nod was before the flood.. it was washed clean of the filth.

The WORLD started over with Noah Son of Shem.
 
Yes the Word is fluid and I learn new things everyday too.

No donnay, the Word is not fluid. What is fluid is men’s minds and imaginations. The new things you are learning are not part of the deposit of the faith handed down once for all. It has nothing to do with the Gospel and is a bold face lie you have accepted, hook line and sinker. Your friends here are trying to help you see your error in this because it has major implications. You state it is not right to judge you, but your own false theology judges untold billions(?) to be direct physical and genetic offspring of Satan.
 
Rightly dividing nothing, donnay. More like distorting the truth.

How is it that the Apostles were not privy to this major news that Eve had sex with Satan and gave birth to Satan’s child? Are you more illuminated than the Apostles?

The disciples obviously were privy:

John 8:44 (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8 is a good read as well, because it also brings out Melchizedek which was Jesus. Which I believe we already talked about this subject before.

Hebrews 7:1-17 (KJV)

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.
 
Unless you are saying that Cain is an animal,, (unsupported at all) then he and all life were killed.

kind of, the purpose of the flood. to wipe ALL life from the earth.

except for 8 souls.

Which one was Cain?

Did that verse say: 19 And of every living thing of all flesh animal? No, God said take two of every flesh. Is man and woman flesh?
 
Yes he did,, and Adam and Eve had other children and that are all dead in the Flood.. ALL OF THEM.

wherever the land of nod was before the flood.. it was washed clean of the filth.

Yes Adam had more children, the fallen angels had relations with the daughters of Adam. Seth was the son by which Christ would be born from.
 
The disciples obviously were privy:

John 8:44 (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8 is a good read as well, because it also brings out Melchizedek which was Jesus. Which I believe we already talked about this subject before.

Hebrews 7:1-17 (KJV)

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

And what does Melchisedec have to do with Cain? or this teaching?
 
The disciples obviously were privy:

John 8:44 (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8 is a good read as well, because it also brings out Melchizedek which was Jesus. Which I believe we already talked about this subject before.

Hebrews 7:1-17 (KJV)

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

Jesus is talking about their spiritual father (spiritual seed), not physical seed. It's the same with everyone, we are either children of God, or we are not.

In fact, there are passages where Jesus clearly teaches that physical lineage is not what matters, so not only does this theory hinge on adding to the text what is not there, but the whole idea behind it is completely contradictory to what Jesus/God teaches.
 
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The disciples obviously were privy:

John 8:44 (KJV)

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

John 8 is a good read as well, because it also brings out Melchizedek which was Jesus. Which I believe we already talked about this subject before.

Hebrews 7:1-17 (KJV)

7 For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3 Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

I’m sorry donnay, but those verses do not say Eve had intercourse with the devil. You are inferring that and proof texting. Something as earth shattering as Satan’s spawn from Eve roaming the earth would have been the first thing taught by the Jews, including Moses and the Prophets, and the Apostles of Christ and the Saints after them. What you are claiming is not some small esoteric teaching, it is completely earth shattering (which is why you probably find excitement in proclaiming it, as if you have some secret teachings that only the most illuminated people full of gnosis have.). What you are falling into is Gnosticism 101, an antichristian heresy full of all sorts of scripture twisting claims that have no bearing upon what was faithfully handed down by the fathers of the faith.

You need to drop this heresy, repent, and search out the teachings and writings of true Christian Saints, and not the deluded contemporary Valentinuses who offer no support for their teachings rather than inferences and proof texting, which are wholly against the witness of the Church.
 
And what does Melchisedec have to do with Cain? or this teaching?

That was address to TER who thinks the disciples were not privvy to these things. We have had discussions before and he was not familiar with Melchisedec. John 8 has the scribes and Pharisees questioning Jesus' relationship with Abraham.

John 8:52 (KJV)

52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
 
No donnay, the Word is not fluid. What is fluid is men’s minds and imaginations. The new things you are learning are not part of the deposit of the faith handed down once for all. It has nothing to do with the Gospel and is a bold face lie you have accepted, hook line and sinker. Your friends here are trying to help you see your error in this because it has major implications. You state it is not right to judge you, but your own false theology judges untold billions(?) to be direct physical and genetic offspring of Satan.

No judging at all. Spiritual discernment, it is a gift from God.
 
Did that verse say: 19 And of every living thing of all flesh animal? No, God said take two of every flesh. Is man and woman flesh?

Animals..
Genesis 7King James Version (KJV)

7 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.

2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.

3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

5 And Noah did according unto all that the Lord commanded him.

6 And Noah was six hundred years old when the flood of waters was upon the earth.

7 And Noah went in, and his sons, and his wife, and his sons' wives with him, into the ark, because of the waters of the flood.

8 Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth,

9 There went in two and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded Noah.

10 And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.

13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;

14 They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle after their kind, and every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind, and every fowl after his kind, every bird of every sort.

15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.

17 And the flood was forty days upon the earth; and the waters increased, and bare up the ark, and it was lift up above the earth.

18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.

19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.

20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.

21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.

24 And the waters prevailed upon the earth an hundred and fifty days.

The entire chapter.so you can read it.

And every living substance was destroyed

Now ,donnay,, Call me a liar. or call your teacher a liar.. but you are calling God a liar.

You say He did not do what He said He did.

Cain is Dead.. never set foot on land after the flood.
 
That was address to TER who thinks the disciples were not privvy to these things. We have had discussions before and he was not familiar with Melchisedec. John 8 has the scribes and Pharisees questioning Jesus' relationship with Abraham.

John 8:52 (KJV)

52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.

I have known about Melchizedek since before this forum came into existence. Honestly, donnay, you have put yourself above the Apostles and the Saints and elevated yourself to be the definer of the truth. You say you are rightly dividing the word, as if you are some infallible pope. My God, have you lost all sense? You cannot point to one Christian writer who preaches what you are preaching, but somehow you know the truth and are greater than them and we are to abandon those teachings they have faithfully handed down (often times with their lives), so that you can teach us some hidden Gnostic teachings? What is going on here?
 
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No judging at all. Spiritual discernment, it is a gift from God.

Spiritual discernment or satanic deception? How do you answer that you have spiritual discernment and 20 centuries of Christians don’t?
 
Jesus is talking about their spiritual father (spiritual seed), not physical seed. It's the same with everyone, we are either children of God, or we are not.

In fact, there are passages where Jesus clearly teaches that physical lineage is not what matters, so not only does this theory hinge on adding to the text what is not there, but the whole idea behind it is completely contradictory to what Jesus/God teaches.

Since God made all things we are all children of God--even the Kenites. If they repent, God will accept them. The only one who has been condemned at this point is Satan and the fallen angels.

The Genesis lineage was indeed crucial for Christ to be born of woman. That is why from the beginning Satan has tried to stop God's plan. God is in control, and he will allow this to come to pass because our time here, in the flesh, is a test. You either love God and do his will or you follow Satan and do his will.
 
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