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So is your position that you have no Christian writer to cite other than Brandon Ward?

Is your position that the first 19 centuries of the history of Christianity the Christians did not have the tools you do to understand the Scriptures and formulate these beliefs?

Was the Holy Spirit lacking? Were these secret teachings only to be revealed in these later times, as the Gnostics have taught? Were the Apostles not privy to these teachings? Did they forget to pass them down?

I’m not sure I understand what you are saying.

I am asking a simple question.

Which Christian writers in the 20 centuries before Brandon Ward spoke about Eve having sex with Satan?

If you prefer to not give a straight answer, than I can stop asking and leave this thread alone.
 
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Pete,

Didn't God instruct Noah to take two of each flesh on the ark? (Genesis 7)

Man and woman are flesh.

NO..
and this is why I say read the BOOK. not what someone tells you..

God told Noah 7 of all clean beasts and a pair (2) of all unclean beasts.

and there were 8 souls saved. Noah, his wife, and three sons and their wives. 8 people. All human.
 
Apparently some racist groups believe that certain races are inferior because they're the "cursed offspring of Cain."

To give one example, the so-called "Christian identity" group. From Wikipedia:

Christian Identity ("CI") is not an organized religion, instead it is adhered to by individuals, churches and some prison gangs[5] with a white supremacist theology[6][7] that promotes a racial interpretation of Christianity. Christian Identity beliefs were primarily developed and promoted by two authors who considered Europeans to be the chosen people and Jews to be the cursed offspring of Cain, the "serpent hybrid" (or Serpent seed (a belief known as the two-seedline doctrine). An early Christian Identity teacher, Wesley A. Swift, formulated the doctrine that non-Caucasian peoples have no souls and therefore can never earn God's favor or be saved.[8][9] The theology was promoted by George Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the American Nazi Party.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

I also want to make it clear that I know that not everyone who holds this view is racist or anti-semitic.

That is where I first heard it and it does not stand cursory scrutiny.. When I was in prison..some of the airhead nation held it.
 
How does Satan's seed justify racism?

God created the races (the Ethnos) on the 6th day.


RIGHT THERE ^^^
God did not create "races".

God created Man. Human.
not any different races,,

and it confuses the issue with the Giants,, who were not a race created by God.. and a separate issue.
 
Cain was the first murderer!
First human murderer. First at a lot of things I'm sure. First human born. and cursed afterward.. to wander the land..and his offspring were taught by and food for the unholy abominations that reigned until the Flood.

Seth is the line that survived the Flood.

8 souls were saved.
Please read the bible without the unhelpful help.

I would debate sola all day IF HE COULD ONLY REMAIN HONEST.. he could not.

The whole book balances and answers. but it does it as a whole.
 
NO..
and this is why I say read the BOOK. not what someone tells you..

God told Noah 7 of all clean beasts and a pair (2) of all unclean beasts.

and there were 8 souls saved. Noah, his wife, and three sons and their wives. 8 people. All human.

I do read the Bible.

Genesis 7:15-16

15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.


Noah and his family were from the Adamic lineage, and the lineage of which Christ would come from umbilical cord to umbilical cord.
 
I do read the Bible.

Genesis 7:15-16

15 And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all flesh, wherein is the breath of life.

16 And they that went in, went in male and female of all flesh, as God had commanded him: and the Lord shut him in.


Noah and his family were from the Adamic lineage, and the lineage of which Christ would come from umbilical cord to umbilical cord.

Whole book
The Lord then said to Noah, “Go into the ark, you and your whole family, because I have found you righteous in this generation. Take with you seven pairs of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, and also seven pairs of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made.”

And Noah did all that the Lord commanded him.

And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons’ wives entered the ark to escape the waters of the flood.
On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark.

No one else lived.

Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.

No line of Cain survived.
That whole teaching is nonsense.
 
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RIGHT THERE ^^^
God did not create "races".

God created Man. Human.
not any different races,,

and it confuses the issue with the Giants,, who were not a race created by God.. and a separate issue.


You are going to tell me from Adam and Eve all the different ethnic people came from just two people?
 
You are going to tell me from Adam and Eve all the different ethnic people came from just two people?

No.
I will let the Bible tell you.

Noah had three sons. they had wives. they had children.
Gen 9:18-19
The sons of Noah who came out of the ark were Shem, Ham and Japheth. (Ham was the father of Canaan.) These were the three sons of Noah, and from them came the people who were scattered over the whole earth.
 
No.
I will let the Bible tell you.

Noah had three sons. they had wives. they had children.
Gen 9:18-19

Noah and his sons and their wives were Adamic (ruddy or rosy complexion) so where did the ethnic people come from?
 
Noah and his sons and their wives were Adamic (ruddy or rosy complexion) so where did the ethnic people come from?

The family lines,, Shem,, Semitic tribes , Japheth,, Northern tribes.. European
and Ham, Southern toward Africa.

Family lines,,, not races.. only one human race.
 
The family lines,, Shem,, Semitic tribes , Japheth,, Northern tribes.. European
and Ham, Southern toward Africa.

Family lines,,, not races.. only one human race.

That still does not explain ethnicity.

The six day creation makes more sense.

Genesis 1:26-27 (KJV)

26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.


29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.



Genesis 2

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
 
If you watch this it brings it all together nicely:

Race is a LIE.

There are family lines,, not races.
Generation after generation under the sun toned skin color.

You have been told a lie. and the scripture twisted.. There are no "races" of man,, there are family lines.
You have to ignore or severely twist the word to get any else.. and I had already showed by scripture that it is false.
Cain and Abel were not twins they were brothers.

They were not nephalim,, that is a completely separate issue.

Noah was of Seth's line. Noah and 3 sons and their wives ware ALL that survived the flood.

There is no line of Cain on the world today. Period..

Forget about this trash teaching,, dump it like a disposable diaper that has been in the sun.
It is a false garbage teaching.. it is based in hate.

Read the bible,, it will refute that teaching.. it does not hold up to any scrutiny..
 
Race is a LIE.

There are family lines,, not races.
Generation after generation under the sun toned skin color.

You have been told a lie. and the scripture twisted.. There are no "races" of man,, there are family lines.
You have to ignore or severely twist the word to get any else.. and I had already showed by scripture that it is false.
Cain and Abel were not twins they were brothers.

They were not nephalim,, that is a completely separate issue.

Noah was of Seth's line. Noah and 3 sons and their wives ware ALL that survived the flood.

There is no line of Cain on the world today. Period..

Forget about this trash teaching,, dump it like a disposable diaper that has been in the sun.
It is a false garbage teaching.. it is based in hate.

Read the bible,, it will refute that teaching.. it does not hold up to any scrutiny..

The scripture above is from the KJV Bible. If you read it, there is nothing in that or the video, alluding to hate or racism or anything like that. God made the six day creation and he said it was good. God made Adam (Et ha adam) on the 8th since on the 7th he rested. Adam became the farmer.

It's like what Morpheus from the movie the Matrix said:

“I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it”
― Morpheus The Matrix
 
The scripture above is from the KJV Bible. If you read it, there is nothing in that or the video, alluding to hate or racism or anything like that. God made the six day creation and he said it was good. God made Adam (Et ha adam) on the 8th since on the 7th he rested. Adam became the farmer.

It's like what Morpheus from the movie the Matrix said:

“I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door. You're the one that has to walk through it”
― Morpheus The Matrix

And all of that has nothing to do whatsoever with race..
God created Man. Not several races of man..

all men,, white, black, red or yellow are all sons of Adam. through Seth,, through Noah,,

The curse on Ham,, had nothing to do with Cain,, he was long dead.
Caanan had nothing to do with Cain.. nothing. Cain had nothing to do with Caanan.
Entirely different times,, Before the flood and after the flood..

The teaching is Foodoo. There ARE NO races of men. There is one human race created by God.. the line of Adam.
 
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God made Adam (Et ha adam) on the 8th since on the 7th he rested.

8th day?

There is no recorded 8th day,, and none in the scripture..

Where was that made up at?
 
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Race is a LIE.

There are family lines,, not races.
Generation after generation under the sun toned skin color.

You have been told a lie. and the scripture twisted.. There are no "races" of man,, there are family lines.
You have to ignore or severely twist the word to get any else.. and I had already showed by scripture that it is false.
Cain and Abel were not twins they were brothers.

Genesis 4:1
1 “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

“Knew” is yet another euphemism. Adam and Eve had sexual intercourse, the subject is she conceived. Eve had stated she received a child from the Lord, those where her words, God did not say that.

Genesis 4:2
2 “And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.”

“Again” is Strong’s word 3254 and it means to “continue.” She continued in labor, and gave birth to Abel. Cain, Satan’s son and Abel, Adam’s son were fraternal twins, they were brought forth from the same labor. We will document that further from God’s Word. Check with your medical doctor, fraternal twins can come from two different fathers in one pregnancy, this is called “superfecundation“.
http://worldeventsandthebible.com/2013/10/the-garden-of-eden-origins-of-satans.html

Their Births

It is a well-known fact that Jacob and Esau were twins, but what is not commonly known is that Cain and Abel were also twins. In the normal Hebraic accounting of multiple births the conception then birth of each child is mentioned such as we can see in Genesis 29:32-33 where it states that Leah conceived and bore a son, and then she conceived again and bore a son. Note that there are two conceptions and two births. But notice how it is worded in Genesis 4:1-2.

Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore Cain; And again, she bore his brother Abel. (RSV)

Notice that there is only one conception, but two births. The Hebrew word for "again" is asaph, meaning to add something, in this case the birthing of Abel was added to the birthing of Cain. Cain and Abel were twins.
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/articles_cainandabel.html
 
8th day?

There is no recorded 8th day,, and none in the scripture..

Where was that made up at?

What comes after 7, Pete?

Genesis 2

2 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

8 And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.

9 And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river went out of Eden to water the garden; and from thence it was parted, and became into four heads.

11 The name of the first is Pison: that is it which compasseth the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold;

12 And the gold of that land is good: there is bdellium and the onyx stone.

13 And the name of the second river is Gihon: the same is it that compasseth the whole land of Ethiopia.

14 And the name of the third river is Hiddekel: that is it which goeth toward the east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates.

15 And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

18 And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

19 And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.

23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
 
And all of that has nothing to do whatsoever with race..
God created Man. Not several races of man..

all men,, white, black, red or yellow are all sons of Adam. through Seth,, through Noah,,

The curse on Ham,, had nothing to do with Cain,, he was long dead.
Caanan had nothing to do with Cain.. nothing. Cain had nothing to do with Caanan.
Entirely different times,, Before the flood and after the flood..

The teaching is Foodoo. There ARE NO races of men. There is one human race cr4eated by God.. the line of Adam.

You are mixing up many things here. And because you are mixing so many things together it is making it hard to follow.

Noah's son, Ham, had nothing to do with Cain and Abel or the Garden of Eden.
 
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