Gangster Rap Video on RonPaul2008.com TOTALLY Inappropriate for Presidential Campaign

[Melissa]

It's threads like these that shows some people just can't handle freedom......

The fact that they put it up there must mean that Ron Paul knows about it. This man knows that freedom comes in all forms and shapes. He is probably dancing to it right now....

And just calling that video gangster rap to flame this forum is sooooooooo lame. Ok, lets say it turns of 2 people, but turn on +1000! I rather have those +1000 joining our revolution ready to spread the good doctors message than 2 people that can't even accept a harmless music video!

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[extrmmxer]

I don't like rap but I think the video is fine. We all need to stand together. There's been country songs, rock songs and rap songs. I like them all as long as they promote Ron Paul. By the way, this is as far from gangster rap as you can get. The lyric little soldiers is a reference to young soldiers. Stand together and vote Ron Paul.

 

[mtmedlin]

in da immorta words of the Kanye


WAYNE HAMMOND DOESNT CARE ABOUT BLACK PEOPLE

 

[Question_Authority]

At some point, in order to win an election, a candidate does have to consider perception over principle. Especially when the principle is so minor as to whether a video should be featured or not.

If the campaign had never put the video up there, no one would be complaining about its absence. There is no NEED to have it there. So, it is best to take it down before offending people needlessly, especially the soldiers. They are on our side so far, let's keep it that way.

 

[AdoubleR]

Stop Attacking Wayne Hammond Because Though Miss-informed, He Is One Of us!

 

[robert4rp08]

AM I AM DEEPLY OFFENDED that they use the term "Little Soldier" in this video. That term "LITTLE SOLDIER" was used on Vietnam Vets and honorable servicemen returning from southeast Asia in the 60's and 70's. It was used to DEMEAN THEM. What don't you understand about that??!?

Get that through your head. It's not just about the stupid music, although that is part of it.

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We're not in the 60's or 70's anymore and the term "little soldier" is not used in that context in the song.

 

[DrNoZone]

I vehemently disagree with the OP on this. This video and song are truly unique and creative. You're basically having a knee-jerk reaction to a STYLE of music. It's the content that matters, not the style. Get over it.

 

[jjschless]

I am somewhat upset that the official campaign has chosen to spotlight the "gangster rap" music video "Rise, Consise, Krookid -Ron Paul 2008 - Original music vid" in their "Daily Updates" section of the www.RonPaul2008.com website.

First of all, in the minds of many Americans, this kind of rap music is associated with vulgar potty-mouth violent young street thugs who treat women like property, and refer to them as "hoes" and "b*tches". While that type of language is not in this particular video, that is the image that comes to the minds of many people when they watch this type of trash music.

Second, I am offended that in this video, it refers to servicemen & women as "little soldiers". For anyone in the military, the term "little soldier" is very derogatory and demeaning. The term itself suggests that a "little soldier" is like a child in their understanding of issues - and only pawns who do whatever their "masters" tell them. It is the equivalent of patting a soldier on the head and saying, "you poor little child - you really don't know what's going on". If you were to call a U.S. serviceman a "little soldier" to his face, he would likely punch your lights out.

Athough this video may be used to reach a certain element within the younger crowd and perhaps can be used by the grassroots, it should not be promoted by the official campaign. If we are trying to reach the conservative Republican base, this video will lose us more votes than most realize.

If you believe as I do, please go to the link below and contact the Official Campaign to let your opinions be known on this.

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/contact/form

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You are OVER REACTING AND OVERLY DRAMATIC. Take a moment to relax and catch your breath. The song is not offensive and it is not vulgar.

You have a prejudice against that sort of music and as such you don't like it. That is you opinion. You are free to have that opinion.

Don't try to rally people to fight a crusade that exists in only your mind!

 

[rooteroa]

Did anyone point out yet that it isn't even "gangster" rap? It's just straight hip hop... nice song.

 

[mtmedlin]

Stop Attacking Wayne Hammond Because Though Miss-informed, He Is One Of us!

You may want to read over the history of Heil Hammond who has started threads condeming everything that doesnt fit into his religious, uptight, white universe. So far he has slandered a man who took the time to make a video and to attempt to outlaw any language he finds objectionable on this forum.

If he is "one of Us" then that term is being used loosely.

 

[FrankRep]

I'm not seeing a problem with the video.

 

[AdoubleR]

You may want to read over the history of Heil Hammond who has started threads condeming everything that doesnt fit into his religious, uptight, white universe. So far he has slandered a man who took the time to make a video and to attempt to outlaw any language he finds objectionable on this forum.

If he is "one of Us" then that term is being used loosely.

Thanks for pointing that out to me... While I absolutely dissagree with what he said, I just wanted to keep the peace... I still think its better to point out where he is wrong and correct his conceptions rather than to slam him outright... I was offended by the post, but two wrongs don't make a right... Thanks for the 411 on him though, I was not aware of his previous history...

 

[hambone1982]

At some point, in order to win an election, a candidate does have to consider perception over principle. Especially when the principle is so minor as to whether a video should be featured or not.

If the campaign had never put the video up there, no one would be complaining about its absence. There is no NEED to have it there. So, it is best to take it down before offending people needlessly, especially the soldiers. They are on our side so far, let's keep it that way.

I'll agree with you there.

I really like the video, but it doesn't NEED to be up on the main page.

Although I disagreed with Wayne that the video should be removed simply because it is rap music, I agree with you that if the video had never been up, no one would be complaining about its absence.

While I think the video is a great tool to use to market to my generation, we don't NEED to have it on the HQ site in order to use it.

I concede that the video should come down.

Edit: I wonder though, if the campaign didn't put this video up to create controversy in the main stream media.

 

[Wayne Hammond]

The word "little" was put before soldier to keep his flow. It's music, jeeze.

Words matter, sir.

So far, we've had people in this thread claim:

I'm racist,
I'm a hater,
I think all music is from the devil,
I'm stereotyping people,
I'm nitpicking,
I'm whining,
that I'm opposed to freedom, individual rights, & peace,
I'm an *ss,
I'm wildly uneducated,
I'm censoring people,
I can't handle freedom,
and that I don't care about black people.

Wow, and that is all in this one thread, from people who claim to be my fellow Ron Paul supporters.

God, this really frightens me that this many supporters are that ignorant.. all because I posted that I thought the video was offensive to many older conservative Americans and military personnel.

If you don't like the facts, that's no reason to attack me. It is a fact that this video will be seen as offensive to many people, even if you are not personally offended it.

READ THIS: Those who personally attacked me, rather than accept the fact that the video may indeed be offensive to some, show that they are not as open-minded as they claim to be. They seem to believe that no one can have any other valid opinion about this video, unless they agree with THEM. That's as much (if not more) "closed-mindedness" as anything I've posted here, IMHO.

As for mtmedlin's claims - calling me HEIR HAMMOND, I would suggest you don't take his outrageous claims so seriously. He has attacked my posts in the past, and used the "nazi" threat often on those with whom he disagrees. It's a common technique for people who have no logic. (associate someone with Hitler and claim censorship, simple because they disagree with you). It's the same technique the press is now using against Ron Paul, trying to associate him with support of slavery, simply because he questioned the necessity of the civil war. Basic circular reasoning.




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[ronpaulblogsdotcom]

I saw the video becuase of this post. Its good, catchy and shows serious thought. Making music of any kind is not easy. I know some people that do rap music and it is an artform with very picky fans.

Some of the best music made recently is rap music, like it or not. Look up Kanye West or better yet Outkast. Outkast has been compared to the Rolling Stones.

Rap Music is the music of protest. That is what is happening.

What type of music do you expect from a Revolution? Barbershop Quartet or CHamber music?

ANd anyone that would not support a campaign that promotes good ideas from supporters is jsut odd. Big Tent people, a real big tent not an imaginary one.

 

[RevolutionSD]

I thought it was a great video.
I liked the song and the lyrics.

I see no problems.

We need a diversity of videos. I hate country music but if someone did a Ron Paul for President video set to a country song I would be thrilled. A video for each type of music would be fantastic. That's what the rEVOLution is about. We accept all. Let's get over this mini-"controversy" and move on!

 

[Drknows]

I wish they put this one up instead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZArWe8o_hI

 

[robert4rp08]

By the way, the artist has helped to arrange a Ron Paul concert and rally in Washington. http://eventful.com/events/bothell/...-a-ron-paul-concert-rally-/E0-001-008140184-5

Should the campaign remove the event from the site? Should they put a stop to the rally? haha

 

[mtmedlin]

Words matter, sir.

So far, we've had people in this thread claim:

I'm racist,
I'm a hater,
I think all music is from the devil,
I'm stereotyping people,
I'm nitpicking,
I'm whining,
that I'm opposed to freedom, individual rights, & peace,
I'm an *ss,
I'm wildly uneducated,
I'm censoring people,
I can't handle freedom,
and that I don't care about black people.

Wow, and that is all in this one thread, from people who claim to be my fellow Ron Paul supporters.

God, this really frightens me that this many supporters are that ignorant.. all because I posted that I thought the video was offensive to many older conservative Americans and military personnel.

If you don't like the facts, that's no reason to attack me. It is a fact that this video will be seen as offensive to many people, even if you are not personally offended it.

READ THIS: Those who personally attacked me, rather than accept the fact that the video may indeed be offensive to some, show that they are not as open-minded as they claim to be. They seem to believe that no one can have any other valid opinion about this video, unless they agree with THEM. That's as much (if not more) "closed-mindedness" as anything I've posted here, IMHO.

As for mtmedlin's claims - calling me HEIR HAMMOND, I would suggest you don't take his outrageous claims so seriously. He has attacked my posts in the past, and used the "nazi" threat often on those with whom he disagrees. It's a common technique for people who have no logic. (associate someone with Hitler and claim censorship, simple because they disagree with you). It's the same technique the press is now using against Ron Paul, trying to associate him with support of slavery, simply because he questioned the necessity of the civil war. Basic circular reasoning.




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This comming from the same guy who belittles any newcomer on the forum if he disgrees with him. We know hwo you are wayne. We dont forget. I have and continue to have a reputation on this forum for supporting freedom to the point of supporting views that I hate. You on the other hand ridicule people, for example how you belittle the young man in the MLK donation day thread. Your tactics are to act intelligent until averybody is against you and then you belittle and insult.

Your post was racist. You assume that it is "gangster rap" which it isnt and proves that your postition is based on sterotype.

 

[Melissa]

This comming from the same guy who belittles any newcomer on the forum if he disgrees with him. We know hwo you are wayne. We dont forget. I have and continue to have a reputation on this forum for supporting freedom to the point of supporting views that I hate. You on the other hand ridicule people, for example how you belittle the young man in the MLK donation day thread. Your tactics are to act intelligent until averybody is against you and then you belittle and insult.

Your post was racist. You assume that it is "gangster rap" which it isnt and proves that your postition is based on sterotype.

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