GA - Four confirmed dead in school shooting

[Anti Federalist]

I thought you were trying to stop school shooting? But I guess that's just a smokescreen. Got it.

I am.

Which of these people would best command the respect, demand respectful behavior (i.e. not bringing dad's pistol to school and randomly shooting people) in return and instill discipline and knowledge in young black men and boys?

This one:

Or this one:

 

[jmdrake]

I am.

Which of these people would best command the respect, demand respectful behavior (i.e. not bringing dad's pistol to school and randomly shooting people) in return and instill discipline and knowledge in young black men and boys?

This one:

Or this one:

That's got nothing to do with race. My kids went to an all black school K-4 and an overwhelmingly white school 5 - 12 and had good teachers both times. I think sometimes you forget I'm actually black and know what I'm talking about but okay. The black school didn't have any male teachers at all except the band teacher and the basketball coach / P.E. teacher. There are also black transgenders so it's possible to get a black transgender teacher, though not at the sort of private Christian schools I we sent our children to so your whole "tranny" argument has no relevance.

Edit: And for the record the white school my kids went to did a better job at nipping bullying in the bud than the black school, though it did improve after they left with a different principal. In reality having a good principal is a necessary and sufficient condition for having a good school.

Edit 2: But I have to ask. If the ONLY choice that YOU were given for a principal for your child's school was a black conservative Christian or a white liberal, would you still pick the white liberal? To be fair I won't say a white transgender because you already said you want segregation by sexual orientation too. Thomas Sowell verses George Stephanopolus or Bill Clinton. Those are your only options.

 

[Occam's Banana]

When seconds count, cops are only minutes away.

Fixed:

"When seconds count, the police are only minutes away right outside your door."

NYPD reportedly stood by, failed to help Chinatown woman as homeless man stabbed her to death in her own home
NYPD "failed to gain entry to Ms. Lee’s apartment until Ms. Lee had been stabbed more than 40 times."
https://thepostmillennial.com/nypd-...less-man-stabbed-her-to-death-in-her-own-home
Joshua Young (20 May 2023)

[...]

And even more on-topic:

[Uvalde] TX - 21 Dead, Dozens Injured in Texas Elementary School Shooting
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It just doesn't get any more "right outside your door" than what happened (or, rather, failed to happen) in Uvalde.

 

[Anti Federalist]

That's got nothing to do with race. My kids went to an all black school K-4 and an overwhelmingly white school 5 - 12 and had good teachers both times. I think sometimes you forget I'm actually black and know what I'm talking about but okay. The black school didn't have any male teachers at all except the band teacher and the basketball coach / P.E. teacher. There are also black transgenders so it's possible to get a black transgender teacher, though not at the sort of private Christian schools I we sent our children to so your whole "tranny" argument has no relevance.

Edit: And for the record the white school my kids went to did a better job at nipping bullying in the bud than the black school, though it did improve after they left with a different principal. In reality having a good principal is a necessary and sufficient condition for having a good school.

Edit 2: But I have to ask. If the ONLY choice that YOU were given for a principal for your child's school was a black conservative Christian or a white liberal, would you still pick the white liberal? To be fair I won't say a white transgender because you already said you want segregation by sexual orientation too. Thomas Sowell verses George Stephanopolus or Bill Clinton. Those are your only options.

Should that be at the forefront of my mind?

Ok, you disagree with me...fine.

I will continue to maintain that students in school setting do better, are better behaved, are better adjusted and become better adults if they are schooled in classes and taught by teachers that are the same as them.

 

[TheCount]

Okay. Let's assume for a minute he's gay. And?

He needs a cause for the shooting that is essential to the person's identity.

 

[dannno]

He needs a cause for the shooting that is essential to the person's identity.

Isn't the whole point of interest of someone who shot a bunch of people randomly what their motivations were and what type of circumstances caused it? Especially when those things are a largely new trend growing in popularity largely because of the institutions they are attending where these shootings are occurring?

 

[dannno]

 

[vita3]

We are a sick bunch. All of us

 

[jmdrake]

Should that be at the forefront of my mind?

Ok, you disagree with me...fine.

I will continue to maintain that students in school setting do better, are better behaved, are better adjusted and become better adults if they are schooled in classes and taught by teachers that are the same as them.

Should what be in the forefront of your mind? It doesn't matter anyway. Even by your own stats, blacks killing whites is rare and black kids getting a gun and coming to shoot up a school is super rare. So your whole argument about which teacher is more likely to keep a black kid from coming to shoot up a school is basically stupid beyond belief and a sign of your race obsession. To justify your obsession you highlight other shootings that have no connection with school shootings such as the mentally disturbed black man who killed 4 (most likely) homeless people on the subway. Yes that's terrible and tragic, but that's got nothing to do with someone shooting up a school. And school shootings didn't just start happening in 2024. The first school shooting that I remember was Columbine in 1999. Sure there were school shootings before that but that one really shook the national consciousness. But you don't count that shooting for some odd reason because it's not 2024. Actually I know the reason. You want to skew the stats in favor of your ridciulous argument that race has something to do with school shootings. It doesn't, unless you're arguing that there is something wrong with white people. You went through part of the list I gave and found a more blacks than whites? Okay. Here's a list that, as I go through it, has clearly more whites than anybody else. It's the school shooting list.

https://apnews.com/general-news-9236adb78dda4ad198b5b6719024d8b2

Typical person on this list.

If you were really concerend about school shootings as opposed to pushing some racial narrative, ^that is the type of young person you would be concerned about. Yes there is inner city gang violence and most of that inner city gang violence tends to be black. But those gang members typically don't shoot up a school. The closest I've seen is the Dadeville massacre where every person shot and/or killed was a high school student but it happened off campus and none of the shooters went to that school and some were in their mid 20s. I still haven't heard what the motive for that was. The latest news I can find was from May of this year when the indictments were handed down. https://www.montgomeryadvertiser.co...-in-dadeville-mass-shooting-case/70254294007/

Still, that proves your theory that these shooting are only nationally covered when the shooter is white is bollocks. Even the subway shooting that you brought up to prove your point got national coverage! So why do the gang on gang shootings not get national coverage? Because nobody freaking cares! I shouldn't say nobody. I'm sure their parents care. I've worked with at risk youths who have joined gangs and I would care if they were killed. But I don't care at on the same level as I do when totally innocent people who had done nothing to the people who killed them are killed. If a black person did like Dylan Roof and went into a church and started murdering white people or blackl people that would be national news just like the black people who killed the black teens at the Sweet 16 party or the black man who killed the 4 people sleeping on the subway made national news. CNN and CBS news gave national coverage to the black man who ran over white people at a Chrismas parade in 2021. He got life in prison.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/26/us/waukesha-christmas-parade-trial/index.html

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/waukes...river-darrell-brooks-life-in-prison-sentence/

So your whole schtick of "This would be covered nationally if the killer was white" is BS because these cases are covered when the killer is black regardless of whether the victims are black or white!

Last point. I see you didn't even bother to answer this question. I'll ask it again. Would you rather have your children taught by Thomas Sowell, who is still alive and is black, or by Bill Clinton or George Stephanopolus, who are white?

 

[jmdrake]

Isn't the whole point of interest of someone who shot a bunch of people randomly what their motivations were and what type of circumstances caused it? Especially when those things are a largely new trend growing in popularity largely because of the institutions they are attending where these shootings are occurring?

Only when the motivation fits your particular narrative and not when it doesn't. Case in point this person.

You won't see AF bringing up his motivation but you'll see people on the left doing that. Likewise people on the left won't highlight a shooter being gay.

 

[TheCount]

Isn't the whole point of interest of someone who shot a bunch of people randomly what their motivations were and what type of circumstances caused it?

Everyone will get offended if I give a direct explanation, so I'll just show examples instead.

1. Black guy shoots homeless people on a train.

How does that get reported / discussed on RPF? Is "the whole point of interest the motivations and circumstances behind it?"

No. It is reported as a fact, the primary theme is that he's black, and the implication is that the man's blackness is the cause of the shooting. Nobody's asking what happened in his life that led to this.


2. White guy shoots white kids in a school.

Now people want to talk about motivation and circumstances.

There must be something about a white person that leads them to murder: oh he's gay, he's trans, he's defective in some way. He must be other, because none of "us" would do that.

What could have led this poor white kid to do such a thing? Was he bullied? Maybe it was his broken home, his mother's criminal record... it's not because he's white...

 

[Anti Federalist]

Last point. I see you didn't even bother to answer this question. I'll ask it again. Would you rather have your children taught by Thomas Sowell, who is still alive and is black, or by Bill Clinton or George Stephanopolus, who are white?

And you didn't bother with two of my questions...

Thomas Sowell, of course.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Everyone will get offended if I give a direct explanation, so I'll just show examples instead.

1. Black guy shoots homeless people on a train.

How does that get reported / discussed on RPF? Is "the whole point of interest the motivations and circumstances behind it?"

No. It is reported as a fact, the primary theme is that he's black, and the implication is that the man's blackness is the cause of the shooting. Nobody's asking what happened in his life that led to this.


2. White guy shoots white kids in a school.

Now people want to talk about motivation and circumstances.

There must be something about a white person that leads them to murder: oh he's gay, he's trans, he's defective in some way. He must be other, because none of "us" would do that.

What could have led this poor white kid to do such a thing? Was he bullied? Maybe it was his broken home, his mother's criminal record... it's not because he's white...

If the ratios of blacks committing murder and whites committing murder were even close, then you would have a case that there were inaccurate or unfair assumptions being made about "root causes".

But they are not, the ratios are not even close.

 

[TheCount]

If the ratios of blacks committing murder and whites committing murder were even close, then you would have a case that there were inaccurate or unfair assumptions being made about "root causes".

But they are not, the ratios are not even close.

I'm glad to hear that you do not disagree with my description of your assumptions.

Ratios have nothing to do with anything that I said.

 

[Valli6]

I don't see much significance in the neighbor saying she'd never seen the kid before because:

1. The kids were being moved around due to the parents splitting up and changing homes
2. School only just started
3. According to family members he'd been depressed and suicidal for months, so he wouldn't have been out playing in the yard where you would see him.
4. When did he bleach his hair? Would she have noticed him with brown hair? Is it the bleaching that made him suddenly stand out?

 

[jmdrake]

And you didn't bother with two of my questions...

Thomas Sowell, of course.

Sorry. Which two specifically? I know I answered your question about the white transgender teacher verses the picture of the black man studying with the child. The question itself is incompent because there are black transgenders and straight white people. What's the other question? And what do any of your question have to do with school shootings?

 

[Anti Federalist]

Sorry. Which two specifically? I know I answered your question about the white transgender teacher verses the picture of the black man studying with the child. The question itself is incompent because there are black transgenders and straight white people.

If HBCU students do much better at all black colleges, why would they not do better at all black high schools and grammar schools?

The other was not so much a question but a comment on the number of black mass shooters compared to white mass shooters, as I dig deeper in the GVA records of mass shootings that you posted.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I'm glad to hear that you do not disagree with my description of your assumptions.

Ratios have nothing to do with anything that I said.

Maybe not with what you said, but the reason why the things occurred that formed your comment are certainly based on rations and proportionality.

Ratios are critical, if the ratio of population to mass shooters (or murders of any kind) were the same between black and white, then obviously there would be no argument to made.

But they are far from the same.

 

[Valli6]

His mother called the school 1/2 hr before shooting started

This article comes from the Washington Post. Who can say how much of it's accurate?
"Gay" has nothing to do with this story.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2024/09/07/georgia-school-shooter-mother-warning/

Mother of Georgia suspect is said to have called school before shooting, warning of ‘emergency’
The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman said that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an “extreme emergency.”
By Sarah Blaskey and*Teo Armus
September 7, 2024 at 5:38 p.m. EDT

The mother of the suspected Apalachee High School gunman told family members that she called the school on the morning of the shooting and warned a counselor about an “extreme emergency” involving her 14-year-old son, according to text messages obtained by The Washington Post and an interview with a family member.

That account is supported by a call log from the family’s shared phone plan, which shows a 10-minute call from the mother’s phone to the school starting at 9:50 a.m. — about a half-hour before witnesses have said the gunman opened fire.

“I was the one that notified the school counselor at the high school,” Marcee Gray texted her sister following the shooting on Sept. 4, according to a screenshot of the exchange. “I told them it was an extreme emergency and for them to go immediately and find [my son] to check on him.”

A counselor told Gray during the call that her son had been talking about a school shooting that morning, according to Gray’s sister, Annie Brown, who described family discussions of the events to The Post.

Around the same time, a school administrator went to the son’s math classroom, according to Lyela Sayarath, a student in the class. Sayarath said there seemed to be confusion involving another student in the class with a name similar to that of Gray’s son. Neither student was in the room, and the official left with a backpack belonging to the similarly named student, she said. The shooting began minutes later.

Barrow County School System Superintendent Dallas LeDuff did not answer detailed questions from The Post and told reporters to instead contact law enforcement. “Our focus is currently on healing our community and supporting our students during this incredibly difficult time,” he wrote in an email...

...Representatives of the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, the agency overseeing the investigation into the shooting, and of the Barrow County Sheriff’s Office declined to answer questions and referred The Post to the Piedmont Judicial Circuit District Attorney’s Office. District Attorney Brad Smith did not respond to requests for comment....

...Brown said her sister called the school after she learned something concerning about her son and feared an “impending disaster.” Brown said in the interview she did not know details about what her sister had learned or how.

Brown previously told The Post that her nephew had spent months “begging” for mental health help, and that the “adults around him failed him.” His struggles were complicated by a difficult home life, she said.

The suspect’s mother in December pleaded guilty to a charge of family violence and was ordered to have only limited contact with Colin Gray, her husband and the suspected shooter’s father, according to court records. In 2022, the Grays were evicted from their home and the suspect’s mother and father separated, according to law enforcement records. The family has also had contacts with Georgia’s child welfare agency, authorities have said...

The week before the shooting, the teen’s grandmother, Deborah Polhamus, had met with a school counselor to request help for him, The Post has previously reported. He “starts with the therapist tomorrow,” Polhamus wrote in a text message to Brown after that meeting.

It’s not clear whether the suspect attended that therapy session. Polhamus has not responded to The Post’s requests for comment.

In an Aug. 29 text with a family member, Brown said she was hopeful about plans the family had made with the school to get her nephew into therapy. She also raised concerns about her nephew’s access to guns in the home.

“He has been having homicidal and suicidal thoughts, he shouldn’t have a gun, and he should’ve been in THERAPY months ago,” Brown wrote. She wrote that she had previously tried to get him into therapy without success.

After the shooting at Apalachee, the suspect’s mother expressed frustration that the school had not prevented the tragedy, text messages show. The amount of time that elapsed between her warning to the counselor about her son and the first shots fired was “just a long time for them to intervene so I’m curious to know what happened in that time,” she wrote to Brown, according to a screenshot of the message.

According to a student witness:

Sayarath, 16, who previously spoke with CNN about her experience, told The Post she was in her second-period algebra class shortly after 10 a.m. Wednesday morning when an administrator came looking not for Colt Gray — Sayarath’s seat neighbor — but for another student who sat nearby and had a similar name.

It is not clear what prompted the administrator’s visit and whether the call from Marcee Gray played a role.

That student had gone to the bathroom, the algebra teacher told the administrator, Sayarath said. The student’s red and black backpack was still in the classroom, and the administrator took it with her when she left.

In that moment, Colt Gray was also not in the classroom. He had left, Sayarath said.

Shortly after, the student with a similar name returned with his backpack in hand, Sayarath said. He told her that an adult in the hallway had asked him about a first-period teacher he didn’t have, and that he believed that the adult may have been looking for Colt Gray.

Not long afterward, a voice came over the intercom asking the teacher to check her email, according to Sayarath. The teacher walked to her computer, then continued going over algebra problems. Moments later, Colt Gray approached the classroom and the teacher said up to the intercom, “Oh, he’s here,” Sayarath recalled.

Another student was about to open the door to let him inside, but then noticed he had a gun and stepped back in alarm, Sayarath said. The door was locked, and the armed teen could not get into the classroom. Sayarath heard the first shots seconds later.

Rabecca Sayarath, Lyela’s mother, drove to Apalachee as soon as she got a call from her daughter about the shooting as it unfolded.

That evening, Sayarath tried to ask about her daughter’s account at a news conference with law enforcement officials, and she made a number of assertions about the suspect’s behavior and the school’s response. Without being specific, Barrow County Sheriff Jud Smith said she had “wrong information.”...

 

[jmdrake]

If the ratios of blacks committing murder and whites committing murder were even close, then you would have a case that there were inaccurate or unfair assumptions being made about "root causes".

But they are not, the ratios are not even close.

The ratios of school shootings are not close because they are overwhelmingly white people killing white people. Most of the cases of black people killing white people are crime related. (Drug deals going bad, car jackings etc). It's not some random black person walking into a church and opening fire for....reasons. Not saying that never happens, but it's not typical. Nobody on this forum was trying to make this story about white people until you tried to make it about black people by talking about a totally unrelated shooting and falsely claiming that shooting wasn't getting national coverage when it fact it is.