G. Edward Griffin speaks out Against Jesse Ventura
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GunnyFreedom
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pro- bailout, pro- stimulus, pro- Obamacare....
just because the guy has a wild anti-establishment persona is no reason to support him for any political office. Regardless of his persona, his political philosophy continues us down the Obama road. We are principled folks around here, who don't go for people just because of superficial appearances.
just because the guy has a wild anti-establishment persona is no reason to support him for any political office. Regardless of his persona, his political philosophy continues us down the Obama road. We are principled folks around here, who don't go for people just because of superficial appearances.
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Is it ok to agree with Ventura on some issues and disagree with him on others? Because I disagree with him a lot but sometimes I like him. I'm not a big fan of the "all or nothing" approach a lot of forum members here seem to have.
I agree that it's to a point - if he was say a supporter of NAMBLA it would trump all his other views and I would never say a positive thing about him. But this is not that. I do believe that intelligent, rational people can disagree on issues such as health care, gun control, etc...
I agree that it's to a point - if he was say a supporter of NAMBLA it would trump all his other views and I would never say a positive thing about him. But this is not that. I do believe that intelligent, rational people can disagree on issues such as health care, gun control, etc...
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You make a good point, up to a point.
Now, you say that you would dump him for being a supporter of NAMBLA. Good, so would I.
But what about supporting something just as sinister that is disguised as a social program.
Eugenics was rightly vilified after WWII and seeing to what ends the Nazi's took it. But the philosophy lives on today. It is a foundation for much that is in the Elitist Agendas including Planed Parenthood and the Health Care Industries.
It is a core and underlying belief in socialism, and cannot be entirely separated.
It is OK to point to something good that he says and agree with it, It is a whole nother thing to promote him as a leader.
Healthcare is pretty damn close to a deal breaker for me. I still respect the guy for his opinions, but I'm not going to promote him, buy his books, etc.
Why on earth would someone who thinks the government may be controlling the weather, and creating earthquakes and tsunamis that kill thousands, trust the government with healthcare. It's beyond irrational.
Why on earth would someone who thinks the government may be controlling the weather, and creating earthquakes and tsunamis that kill thousands, trust the government with healthcare. It's beyond irrational.
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Does Ventura actually believe that the government is controlling the weather? Because that makes me like him less than his stance on healthcare.
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They have been attempting to modify weather for many years with varying success.
Some is documented, some is not. How far they attempt to go is unknown and speculated.
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Creature of Jekyll Island, enough said.....Ventura needs to get his economic views in order......
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Controlling the weather is no big deal. They have had the capability since at least the 60s, and tried it with a few hurricanes I think in the 70s. When I took an atmospheric science class, there was a section in the textbook about this. It should be common knowledge by now, but somehow is still labled a conspiracy theory by those who never researched the topic.
Of course Jesse goes futher than this, and alludes to HAARP possibly playing a role in the earthquakes, tsunsamis. I find it odd that Jesse would give the government the benefit of the doubt with people's healthcare if he thinks this is a possibility, and is pretty damn sure about 911.
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Yeah, seriously!
Does FrankRep advocate anarchy? If not, he's got to admit he's for SOME collectivism and SOME governance.
"The sacrifice of individuals for the benefit of the group is one of the principles of collectivism. " G Edward Griffin
By this logic, punishing psychopaths and anti-social criminals is a form of collectivism or majority rule.
No kidding.
FrankRep does just that, anybody who's not with him and his buddy Chris, is a bad guy. All he ever does is copy and paste JBS articles, he never states his own actual position.
He's quoting Griffin today, but you wanna get him to ride under a rock?
Here, confront him with the fact G E Griffin's "Freedom Force" has the word "force" and "freedom" (as opposed to liberty, which his homie Chris insists is what he actually supports, search the thread "what is liberty")
Then, point out that the logo is not only the peace sign upside down, but also akin to the National Alliance rune (google this yourself, I won't post it).
Then, you can remind him that Griffin spits (or rather, shits) on the crackpot theory that JFK was killed by the Fed (and he'll be forced to either agree with Griffin or say Griffin is wrong)
Finally, even his friend Chris, takes issue with Griffin, a man who honestly knows reality, that nothing matters without PHYSICAL FORCE.
The quote is this
"...the essence of my thought on this is very simple. We can write proclamations all day long and we can claim God’s word as our authority, but that means nothing unless we are able to back our proclamations with physical force."
(this quote is nowhere else to be found though, for all we know Chris made it up)
Here's the link to Chris complaining about how he's the only purist and all others are moles, trolls and God's enemy. (He even has a problem with somebody so humble to admit "We believe", in which case HE INSISTS ONE HAS TO BE RIGHT, OR ELSE THEY'RE UNWORTHY OF CONSIDERATION)
http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=8204
(ironic that in the end, he says "unify our efforts" when he clearly wants to divide people)
Why did I write all this? Because FrankRep should be exposed for what he is, a bigot who spews hate and doesn't want anybody to disagree with him. A coward who can't defend his own positions, and only bashes other people.
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One shill accuses another shill. Gotta keep it in the family, fellas
* I don't support anarchy.
* Voluntary collectivism is fine (religious, cultural, family).
* I don't support government imposed collectivism (ex: Socialism).
* I support Constitutional government.
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Ventura can't be taken seriously. When he said he wouldn't run for president because he was too busy surfing in Mexico...well that did it for me. Besides, that guy is a democrat. He, as well as Kucinich, are NOT on our team. TONES
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* I don't support anarchy.
* Voluntary collectivism is fine (religious, cultural, family).
* I don't support government imposed collectivism (ex: Socialism).
* I support Constitutional government.
so firetrucks are unconstitutional and involuntary?
is NAP involuntarily imposed on those who disagree? Wouldn't that be involuntary collectivism (socialism)?
What do you mean by you support Constitutional government? You'll go with any State's Constitution? Or you want to return to how our government was with just 10 Amendments?
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Check your meds.
how about you?
you can't even copy a few words to preserve some context?
"Yeah, seriously"
"No kidding"
"Why did I write all this?"
"Because I have a point"
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1. Geraldo is one of the only liberal commentators on fnc. He's on at obscure hours. Most on fnc are overtly opposed to healthcare, unlike cnn & msnbc where most coverage is pro-obaMA, and generally, very pro-liberal.
2. Jesse was always a kook imo
Jesse really believes in socialized care? wow. I knew he was a kook, but wow... that is news to me
2. Jesse was always a kook imo
Jesse really believes in socialized care? wow. I knew he was a kook, but wow... that is news to me
Really... You're going to call Jesse Ventura a kook? Is the majority of this country filled with kooks as well? What does that even mean? Ron Paul faced the same criticism constantly, and it seemed to come from the same ill-conceived motivations that you are showing. That because a single man does not appear to fall within the neat and tidy groups we are used to seeing, they are labled an outcast of some sort. When in fact most Americans have political views which cannot be accurately labeled with one defining word.
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It means that jesse is a kook. tones
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The guy wrote a book called "Don't start the revolution with me." Did a little tour promoting it, then went back to his house in Mexico.....until he had a new book to promote, then he comes back.... Guess we have to keep on waiting to start that revolution until he's good and ready.
