Future of 2008 Race decided on Jan 8th

I'm not so sure we can win without Iowa as well. Anything less than a landslide in EVERY primary should be considered a loss, in my mind.

Better yet, we win by 20% or more and sweep the Primaries. Lets do this.
 
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hddn-agnda said:
I'm not so sure we can win without Iowa as well. Anything less than a landslide in EVERY primary should be considered a loss, in my mind.

Better yet, we win by 20% or more and sweep the Primaries. Lets do this.
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We shouldn't overload our expectations in the first few states. Ron Paul will have plenty of money to compete all the way through February 5th, and beyond if he does well then.

Let's do everything we can to win everywhere, but use any setbacks as motivation to step things up, not pack it in.
 
Ron Paul is not a "do or die" candidate... he just needs to outlast, the likes of huckabee, McCain... he has the support and money to do this... This will help ensure victory in the red states. His main competition is Romney and Giuliani, he needs place as high as them. But he does not need even close to a landslide victory ... though it would be nice.
 
Paul4Prez said:
We shouldn't overload our expectations in the first few states. Ron Paul will have plenty of money to compete all the way through February 5th, and beyond if he does well then.

Let's do everything we can to win everywhere, but use any setbacks as motivation to step things up, not pack it in.
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You plan for setback... I'm planning the inaugeral*sp* ball. I'm using the concept of what will happen if we lose as motivation. We WILL win Iowa, We WILL win New Hampshire.

If you want to be a part of that, we welcome your help! That's not a reason to slow down, that's a reason to donate more money. I'm just trying to get people to stop posting about potentially mediocre finishes... think positive, work for that positive goal, and it will happen.

The first step is to will it into being, the next step is to deserve it.
 
hddn-agnda said:
I'm not so sure we can win without Iowa as well. Anything less than a landslide in EVERY primary should be considered a loss, in my mind.

Better yet, we win by 20% or more and sweep the Primaries. Lets do this.
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Yes, IMHO it's extremely important to win EVERY primary - which take$ a continual flow of $money$, not a 3-day show of interest via a money bomb.

Even if we win in NH we could easily be outspent by Mitt or Rudy and lose the next primary. Pat Buchanan won the NH primary in '96 and then lost to John McCain in the next contest, in Arizona. McCain won it by spending $40 per vote received in that win. We'd have to win BIG to beat a similar strategy, and that takes money up front.
 
Yea and the media will just spin it and say "well, uh, New Hampshire is not representative of the whole country"
 
Politicallore said:
Ron Paul is not a "do or die" candidate... he just needs to outlast, the likes of huckabee, McCain... he has the support and money to do this... This will help ensure victory in the red states. His main competition is Romney and Giuliani, he needs place as high as them. But he does not need even close to a landslide victory ... though it would be nice.
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I have a suspicion about Mitt. He's such an air head - I don't see how anybody could support him. I think he's really second-tier, and using a combination of his money and the media to camouflage his lack of grassroots and supporters. Rudy is our real competitor, because he's like Bush on steroids; and many Republicans want that. I think it's more like Rudy and a combination of Romney, McCain, and Huckebee voters (added together) that we will have to match at the polls.
 
SWATH said:
Yea and the media will just spin it and say "well, uh, New Hampshire is not representative of the whole country"
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You can't let your decisions be based upon the media. They don't show up to vote. You play the media like an instrument, and they'll make the music you want them to.

I reject the fact that New Hampshire isn't a big deal. It's also an OPEN PRIMARY JUST LIKE THE GENERAL ELECTION. Think about that. It's hugely telling. Freedom is popular.
 
hddn-agnda said:
I'm not so sure we can win without Iowa as well. Anything less than a landslide in EVERY primary should be considered a loss, in my mind.

Better yet, we win by 20% or more and sweep the Primaries. Lets do this.
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I don't really know what to make of Iowa. If I understand it correctly, it's possible to make deals to work out vote deals with other campaigns and I simply don't see Ron Paul supporters making vote deals but I think they should if it means they can come in the top three
 
I agree with the head of the NH Rep Party who said that he expects Ron to place in the top three in NH in the R race. The difference is that he doesn't see Ron growing in the next seven weeks like I do. I believe we could show in the top three if the election we held today, and we still have time to grow.

That said, victory here is within reach - we attract Independents (44% of NH voters) in a way that no other Republican candidate does. There was a pollster (I forget who) who said that NH Independents were spitting between Obama and Paul. That's the feeling I get on the ground here too (with some Dennis support thrown in). Polls are often meaningless in NH as well - in the 2002 R Gubernatorial primary, a little-known candidate named Bruce Keough went from 3% in the pollsa few days before the election, to second place and nearly a win.

Ergo, victory is very possible in NH (our real competition is Romney and McCain). What would that get us? Buch's 96 victory gave him an overnight boost of 15% in the polls. The difference is that Buch didn't have as much of a national campaign as Ron. He is already at 5-6% nationwide now, add 15% to that and we are in the legion of frontrunners. Now, in the next 7 weeks, if we get Ron's numbers up to even 10% nationwide, adding 15% to that is winning territory in most states.

And that doesn't take into account ANY of our natural advantages... ;)

JM
 
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Richie said:
I have a suspicion about Mitt. He's such an air head - I don't see how anybody could support him. I think he's really second-tier, and using a combination of his money and the media to camouflage his lack of grassroots and supporters. Rudy is our real competitor, because he's like Bush on steroids; and many Republicans want that. I think it's more like Rudy and a combination of Romney, McCain, and Huckebee voters (added together) that we will have to match at the polls.
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Living in NH, I can tell you there are many die hard mitt heads, Gov. Benson was very popular among the republican base People see Mitt very much like Benson. I am telling you that people in NH will more likely vote for Mitt vs Rudy... He was viewed as a savior for one of the most liberal states in America. What we really need... is form Gov. Benson's support... He supported the FreeStateProject, it is the end reason on why they chose NH...
 
The early primaries are important, but they are not do or die, and we shouldn't create those kind of expectations or pressure. Ron Paul will have enough money to compete through Super Tuesday on February 5th, regardless of how Iowa and New Hampshire go. This is not a shoestring campaign like Huckabee's that is dependent on a strong start to keep going.
 
hddn-agnda said:
I'm not so sure we can win without Iowa as well. Anything less than a landslide in EVERY primary should be considered a loss, in my mind.

Better yet, we win by 20% or more and sweep the Primaries. Lets do this.
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This is unrealistic. We don't need to win by a landslike everywhere. We just need to make a strong and consistent showing in order to demonstrate a plurality.
 
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