FSP & Age of Consent - split thread

[Origanalist]

WTF is an "MMA gym?

Is that some kind of tuff-guy hangout where ya'll penis gaze in the showers?

Real men work, they don't work out, real men don't profess to want to cripple others for their ideas or thoughts, real men do take care of business when children are messed with and.............Real men don't cry to government to handle things in their stead.

Lol hankrichter, the new RPF tough guy.

 

[tod evans]

Lol hankrichter, the new RPF tough guy.

Folks who waste precious time picking up chunks of metal only to put them back in the same place baffle me......

Almost as much as those who run when nothing is chasing them.....

It must be some malady associated with the unproductive lifestyle so many live today....

I'm exhausted by the end of the day, at my age schlepping around 90# sheets of plywood or 8/4 oak tends to kick my ass after 8-10 hours.......:o

 

[caracoid]

You guys always have to go into hysterics, OK, fine, take the federal govt out of it, me personally, with no fear of govt retribution, I, no joke, would cut off this (mod edit of graphically detailed coercion), he is free to go live his life as he sees fit after that, so, absent, the state, that would be Ian's fate if guys like me were free to do as we please.

There are pricks on these boards - not saying you, not quite sure your angle just yet - who have mentioned they are open to the idea of 14yr olds with 30yr olds, I would treat them the same as Ian.

Now, I know the internet is full of "keyboard warriors" but I will happily give anyone the address to my MMA gym if they want to come call my bluff, even at 40 I'm sure I could still whoop most people out there, and my town is certainly pretty "old school", we have men out here who still believe men should be "masculine" and I can assure you a guy who says 14yr old sex is acceptable, or that a 6yr old can consent will not have a pleasant day here.

So, I'd say for these sick freaks, many of whom are libertarian and hate the state, they should be thanking their lucky stars for the state, because I cannot think of any private property society that would tolerate their sick deviant mentalities for a second.

It's kinda funny seeing people on here advocate for "free societies" when fact of the matter is, without state protection 90% of what they do end up with them swinging from a tree.

Oh boy. You go away to get some shut eye and guys like you start bulldozing around like mad elephants.

Now you're telling me how to raise my own son with your tiny-minded values? But it's worse than that because you're looking to impose your will through physical coercion (legal or otherwise and graphically detailed). If you had shown up at my high school sex ed class and started lecturing the boys about your "enlightened" ideas, you would have been met with a low rumble of snickers followed by the the male teacher slapping your ass on the way out the door and saying, "So long, tootsie."

I've spent my entire adult life living in liberal neighborhoods and have come to the conclusion that there is no fascist like a liberal fascist. But you've got me rethinking that. You've come to a libertarian website and--through coercion--are trying to get people to say what you want them to say. You come on that strong to a libertarian and by nature they'll even start defending Hitler.

As far as what women think, well I'm smart enough to know not to begin to tell them that. And if you had been on a single solitary date with any woman (who wasn't your sister) you would know that any attempt to tell them what's good for them would be met with your head served up to you on your salad dish. I wish some libertarian women reading this right now would pipe up. Is it okay for fourteen-year-old males to sleep with older women but not fourteen-year-old females like your friend just suggested?

And yes, I would certainly be afraid if you and your two toothless friends showed up while I was on a canoeing trip in the Ozarks. Plenty scared. Here's the thing. Before all the smart people left town for the cities, small towns like yours were run by the smart guys. A (mod edit) like you and your pals throwing your weight around would have been dealt with early--and if that didn't work--you would have been met with your own tactics and found yourselves (mod edit) somewhere just to bring peace back to the town. Now there's nobody left to reel you in. So off you go prancing around on your ponies telling people what's good for them--or else.

 

[tod evans]

And yes, I would certainly be afraid if you and your two toothless friends showed up while I was on a canoeing trip in the Ozarks. .

Just back the fuck off the Ozarks there boy...........

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

Actually, there are two - that we currently know of - guess you didn't hear about the guy who got arrested trying to hook up with a 14yr old, and don't give me that crap, they only "distanced" themselves when the moron said it boldly on air and they got a huge backlash from it, don't even tell me that is the first time they heard that story, listen to his co-host, he was not shocked at all and did not even condemn it.

My suggestion: Stay in Alabama with the rest of your toothless hick puritanical liberty-hating redneck buddies, (mod edit). We don't need you nor want someone like you in New Hampshire or in the liberty movement at all, for that matter.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

I see a whole lot of pointing fingers, and zero evidence to support this diatribe against Ian. I'm not saying I support or agree with his ideologies on the matter, but from what I've seen (which isn't much, I'm not willing to expend my mental energy to look that far into it), Ian merely doesn't agree with blanket age of consent laws because of situations where a 17 year old boy can go to prison for 10 years for having a 16 year old girlfriend (yes this happens) and was not at all claiming to support having any kind of physical contact with children. If I'm wrong, I of course do not support such things, but I also don't support demonizing an otherwise awesome person for remarks taken out of context.

SO, if you have proof that Ian does actually support such things, by all means, please provide sources.

It's a railroading. And similar to the way the SJWs call someone a racist and every worthless putrid coward in society immediately piles on, that is exactly what the opportunists and the enemies of liberty are doing here with this witch hunt of Ian.

It's a tremendous shame, but it doesn't surprise me. That is what our society has degraded to, and that's the way it is. I just hope this BS doesn't ruin the FSP. It seems like the board is either going along with it or actively working to purge anti-statists from NH.

 

[Anti Federalist]

So, I post a calm, rational, and even keeled response, you reply with how you want to dismember people and kick their ass at your MMA gym...and I'm "hysterical"?

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure that specific threats against a person, by name, constitute a number of felony crimes as well as a violation of forum policy.

FFS, nobody I know in FSP, NH or anywhere else is advocating for sex with six year olds.

All we are saying is that, as is always the case, the government solution is more likely to be worse than the condition it is trying to solve.

And no, I don't wan't to fight about it, so hoot and holler at somebody else.

I carry guns so I don't have to pick things up and put them down in every minute of my free time.

You guys always have to go into hysterics, OK, fine, take the federal govt out of it, me personally, with no fear of govt retribution, I, no joke, would (mod edit), he is free to go live his life as he sees fit after that, so, absent, the state, that would be Ian's fate if guys like me were free to do as we please.

There are pricks on these boards - not saying you, not quite sure your angle just yet - who have mentioned they are open to the idea of 14yr olds with 30yr olds, I would treat them the same as Ian.

Now, I know the internet is full of "keyboard warriors" but I will happily give anyone the address to my MMA gym if they want to come call my bluff, even at 40 I'm sure I could still whoop most people out there, and my town is certainly pretty "old school", we have men out here who still believe men should be "masculine" and I can assure you a guy who says 14yr old sex is acceptable, or that a 6yr old can consent will not have a pleasant day here.

So, I'd say for these sick freaks, many of whom are libertarian and hate the state, they should be thanking their lucky stars for the state, because I cannot think of any private property society that would tolerate their sick deviant mentalities for a second.

It's kinda funny seeing people on here advocate for "free societies" when fact of the matter is, without state protection 90% of what they do end up with them swinging from a tree.

 

[misterx]

Lived there before all the Massholes moved there and the FSP people. I don't know if I ever want to go back now with how it's changed. Especially if there are a lot of people who are against age of consent laws. Please tells me it's just one or two people they are using to make the movement look bad.

 

[misterx]

WTF is an "MMA gym?

Is that some kind of tuff-guy hangout where ya'll penis gaze in the showers?

Real men work, they don't work out, real men don't profess to want to cripple others for their ideas or thoughts, real men do take care of business when children are messed with and.............Real men don't cry to government to handle things in their stead.

I've never been to an MMA gym, so I have no opinion on it, but I have a home gym. Real men keep themselves in shape. I don't care how physical your job is, it can't compare to the benefits of a good workout.

 

[acptulsa]

Please tells me it's just one or two people they are using to make the movement look bad.

It has already been stated that it's just one or two people.

And congratulations on having brains enough to realize that the federal government is not hardly above planting a couple of these in order to make the whole bunch look bad.

 

[misterx]

It has already been stated that it's just one or two people.

And congratulations on having brains enough to realize that the federal government is not hardly above planting a couple of these in order to make the whole bunch look bad.

I figured that. I don't have time to read through the whole article and thread right now. I am leery of the FSP people though. NH has always been full of highly educated, intelligent, respectful, thoughtful, and moral people. I worry about a bunch of southern bubbas and New York Aholes moving there on top of all the Massholes.

 

[Dr.3D]

I've never been to an MMA gym, so I have no opinion on it, but I have a home gym. Real men keep themselves in shape. I don't care how physical your job is, it can't compare to the benefits of a good workout.

Yep, a good set of free weights and a bench along with an Exercycle is all that's needed to stay in shape. What is MMA... is that Mucho Macho A hole?

 

[caracoid]

I worry about a bunch of southern bubbas . . . moving there on top of all the Massholes.

Yeah, well I don't think you'll have to worry about seeing Hank up there anytime soon.

 

[tod evans]

I've never been to an MMA gym, so I have no opinion on it, but I have a home gym. Real men keep themselves in shape. I don't care how physical your job is, it can't compare to the benefits of a good workout.

Office job eh?

 

[misterx]

Office job eh?

I've done everything. I've worked the most physically demanding jobs in the past, and I can tell you they didn't keep me in shape the way free weights and laps around the track do.

 

[erowe1]

FSP, the supporters of having sex with children, as young as 6, maybe younger, not exactly my type of society.

What's your source for the claim that they support that?

 

[Rothbardian Girl]

What's your source for the claim that they support that?

Here's something Ian Freeman wrote a little over a week ago proclaiming his belief that adults having sex with teenagers, 13 year olds, is fine as long as said teen affirms their desire to have sex with the adult. It's funny how this is his response to people claiming he thinks sex with 6-year olds is OK - "No, no, but sex with 13 year olds is fine." Keep in mind, also, that this is one of the main geniuses behind plugging people's parking meters for them. Adults having sex with children isn't any of his business, but parking meters are. What a mess.

http://freekeene.com/2016/03/19/response-to-dishonest-hitpiece-flyer-being-posted-downtown/

In another smear campaign against me, local haters have concocted yet another dishonest attack flyer and littered it all over downtown Keene. This unsigned, un-cited flyer accuses me of using my radio show to propagate the opinion that, “children as young or younger than six years old have the right and ability to consent to sexual acts with adults” and further claims that I have said that “children have the right to consent, and parents, the community and the state should not intervene”.

Those are the rumors, now here are the facts: In the video made by a local hater from clips of a discussion on my radio show from years ago, it is a caller who asks if I support sex with a six-year old. To which I say twice that sex with children is reprehensible, but that what people do is none of my business. Somehow that conversation gets spun as me supporting sex with children, which I do not, and never have. Here’s a much more detailed discussion about age of consent that explains why I don’t consider what people do in their homes any of my business.

Even if a child could somehow be mentally ready for sex, they are not physically ready for it, so it’s not okay in my book. So, no, I don’t support sex with children, but I don’t consider teens who decide they are ready for sex to be children. Some people do consider teenagers to be children, and I find that to be insulting to young people. It’s also a view that doesn’t hold up against history, where many people consented to sex and marriage at ages as young as 13. Nor does it hold up if you bother to actually read the definition of “child”, which is a person between birth and puberty.

So while I don’t believe people should have sex with children, I do support young people who are physically able to have sex being able to decide when they are mentally ready to be adults and take on responsibility for their actions, including sex.


Many people are very uncomfortable around the idea of sex in general, as they come from the belief that sex is bad and naughty. Rather than have honest conversations about age of consent, they jump to extremes, make up lies, and call names, because everyone must have as repressive of views as they do, so anyone who doesn’t must support sex with children.

I support young people being able to emancipate themselves, not sex with children. I support each individual being judged by their actions and words, not arbitrary ages. Government “statutory rape” laws have destroyed countless innocent lives and are an insult to real rape victims.

Some thoughts: sex between kids of the same age is sex between equals. Children are naturally and socially significantly lacking in power in relation to adults. They are not developed sexually. Their first sexual encounters should not be in the early stages of their development with someone who can so thoroughly overpower them. To not recognize the predatory behavior inherent in adults trying to sexually dominate children indicates a lack of knowledge of what adults and children even are, or a total lack of concern for the safety of children.

 

[hankrichter12]

WTF is an "MMA gym?

Is that some kind of tuff-guy hangout where ya'll penis gaze in the showers?

Real men work, they don't work out, real men don't profess to want to cripple others for their ideas or thoughts, real men do take care of business when children are messed with and.............Real men don't cry to government to handle things in their stead.

Lol hankrichter, the new RPF tough guy.

Folks who waste precious time picking up chunks of metal only to put them back in the same place baffle me......

Almost as much as those who run when nothing is chasing them.....

It must be some malady associated with the unproductive lifestyle so many live today....

I'm exhausted by the end of the day, at my age schlepping around 90# sheets of plywood or 8/4 oak tends to kick my ass after 8-10 hours.......:o

So, I post a calm, rational, and even keeled response, you reply with how you want to dismember people and kick their ass at your MMA gym...and I'm "hysterical"?

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure that specific threats against a person, by name, constitute a number of felony crimes as well as a violation of forum policy.

FFS, nobody I know in FSP, NH or anywhere else is advocating for sex with six year olds.

All we are saying is that, as is always the case, the government solution is more likely to be worse than the condition it is trying to solve.

And no, I don't wan't to fight about it, so hoot and holler at somebody else.

I carry guns so I don't have to pick things up and put them down in every minute of my free time.

Too funny. No, clowns, I was merely pointing out how stupid your concept of "freedom" is. If you are going to say let's have no state, OK, fine, what do you think is going to be the response when you as a 30, 40 or whatever year old show up at someone's house courting their 16yr old daughter? Hate to break it to you but I don't think that is going to be allowed. The only thing even making it possible for you to make these absurd notions, is the state, no private community would tolerate it for a second.

 

[hankrichter12]

Oh boy. You go away to get some shut eye and guys like you start bulldozing around like mad elephants.

Now you're telling me how to raise my own son with your tiny-minded values? But it's worse than that because you're looking to impose your will through physical coercion (legal or otherwise and graphically detailed). If you had shown up at my high school sex ed class and started lecturing the boys about your "enlightened" ideas, you would have been met with a low rumble of snickers followed by the the male teacher slapping your ass on the way out the door and saying, "So long, tootsie."

I've spent my entire adult life living in liberal neighborhoods and have come to the conclusion that there is no fascist like a liberal fascist. But you've got me rethinking that. You've come to a libertarian website and--through coercion--are trying to get people to say what you want them to say. You come on that strong to a libertarian and by nature they'll even start defending Hitler.

As far as what women think, well I'm smart enough to know not to begin to tell them that. And if you had been on a single solitary date with any woman (who wasn't your sister) you would know that any attempt to tell them what's good for them would be met with your head served up to you on your salad dish. I wish some libertarian women reading this right now would pipe up. Is it okay for fourteen-year-old males to sleep with older women but not fourteen-year-old females like your friend just suggested?

And yes, I would certainly be afraid if you and your two toothless friends showed up while I was on a canoeing trip in the Ozarks. Plenty scared. Here's the thing. Before all the smart people left town for the cities, small towns like yours were run by the smart guys. A (mod edit) like you and your pals throwing your weight around would have been dealt with early--and if that didn't work--you would have been met with your own tactics and found yourselves (mod edit) somewhere just to bring peace back to the town. Now there's nobody left to reel you in. So off you go prancing around on your ponies telling people what's good for them--or else.

My suggestion: Stay in Alabama with the rest of your toothless hick puritanical liberty-hating redneck buddies, (mod edit). We don't need you nor want someone like you in New Hampshire or in the liberty movement at all, for that matter.

Oh, so original, erp derp "Redneck", erp derp "Alabama", erp derp "Sister", erp derp "toothless"

OK friend, you've figured out the complex process of having sex, let me bow to your awesomeness. I've had sex bud, and..yeah, whatever, it's a wet hole, don't exactly revolve my whole existence around it. Can think of any number of things in my life that top it.

All of that is beside the point. Going back to what started all of this: Are libertarians and the FSP trying to monkey with the age of consent laws - seems to me they are.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Too funny. No, clowns, I was merely pointing out how stupid your concept of "freedom" is. If you are going to say let's have no state, OK, fine, what do you think is going to be the response when you as a 30, 40 or whatever year old show up at someone's house courting their 16yr old daughter? Hate to break it to you but I don't think that is going to be allowed. The only thing even making it possible for you to make these absurd notions, is the state, no private community would tolerate it for a second.

So, fine, they wouldn't.

So then what is your issue, other than the need to puff up and show how tough you are and drag down an organization you don't have to deal with or have anything to do with?

I live in NH, let me worry about FSP, and you mind your own business, how about that?