FSP & Age of Consent - split thread

[caracoid]

"FSP, the supporters of having sex with children, as young as 6, maybe younger, not exactly my type of society."

Okay, I've initially looked into what you've got, and what I found was that--first of all--your above quote is about as inflammatory and inaccurate a statement as anyone can open with. The guy was thrown out of FSP; and from the information you've provided nobody else has ever "supported" what he said. (Although I can imagine someone supporting his right to say it.)

As far as the other guy hitting on a 14-year-old, sounds a little creepy but then again it was probably the age most of our great-grandparents were getting married and he's now facing a life-long sentence for something that was not long ago completely okayed by society. Sounds a bit harsh.

NOT that I'm advocating it, but the ridiculousness of society's connecting a six-year-old with somebody who is seventeen and developmentally a 17-year-old probably has a lot more to do with people's own obsessions, hidden titillations and subsequent guilt than the act itself.

Of course, in my day as a teenager (and being male), having slept with an older woman would undoubtedly have been bragged about and then cherished amongst our fondest memories. While I certainly can't speak for women, are you as a male really going to claim that you would have been scarred for life? And that the woman should have been jailed for life? If so, you're lying to us and yourself.

 

[angelatc]

So let me rephrase "many people in the FSP knew about it and said and did nothing".

My guess would be none.

 

[TheTexan]

This thread is why we can't have nice things.

 

[Origanalist]

It's an expression, I didn't literally mean every last person, gosh, I keep forgetting I have to speak to people as if they are children on these boards.

So let me rephrase "many people in the FSP knew about it and said and did nothing" - there, is that better?





Huh? I guess this is all going over your head - he doesn't think it is a predation, and he presented these views in public and on his show for years and the community as a whole said nothing, so obviously it's a topic that is up for debate in more than a few people's minds.

So why don't you just stop with your absurd Janet Reno nonsense and all that other crap, save your cue card talking points for someone else, I'm obviously far more informed on this than you are.

Do you have any idea how much you sound like Trump? Claiming to be a cut above while sounding like a complete idiot is no way to go through life Hank.

 

[angelatc]

As far as the other guy hitting on a 14-year-old, sounds a little creepy but then again it was probably the age most of our great-grandparents were getting married and he's now facing a life-long sentence for something that was not long ago completely okayed by society. Sounds a bit harsh.

I think it's an american thing but we might be spreading it like Democracy. About 15 years ago I was in a playgroup with a German ex-pat. The local news was talking about a male teacher who was aggressively pursuing a 15 year old student. My friend was baffled as to why it was a big deal here. She said that in Germany, boys were boys and girls were girls....and things always just went from there.

 

[hankrichter12]

"FSP, the supporters of having sex with children, as young as 6, maybe younger, not exactly my type of society."

Okay, I've initially looked into what you've got, and what I found was that--first of all--your above quote is about as inflammatory and inaccurate a statement as anyone can open with. The guy was thrown out of FSP; and from the information you've provided nobody else has ever "supported" what he said. (Although I can imagine someone supporting his right to say it.)

As far as the other guy hitting on a 14-year-old, sounds a little creepy but then again it was probably the age most of our great-grandparents were getting married and he's now facing a life-long sentence for something that was not long ago completely okayed by society. Sounds a bit harsh.

NOT that I'm advocating it, but the ridiculousness of society's connecting a six-year-old with somebody who is seventeen and developmentally a 17-year-old probably has a lot more to do with people's own obsessions, hidden titillations and subsequent guilt than the act itself.

Of course, in my day as a teenager (and being male), having slept with an older woman would undoubtedly have been bragged about and then cherished amongst our fondest memories. While I certainly can't speak for women, are you as a male really going to claim that you would have been scarred for life? And that the woman should have been jailed for life? If so, you're lying to us and yourself.

Haha, exactly what the pedo said, 17 is not 14, and it is certainly not 6, nice try. Again, he said this crap - on the air - as early as 2010, likely before, it's not as if this is some new revelation. I can't think of any radio host who would say anything remotely like that in my town and still be on the air 6yrs later, but then, that's my town.

Do you have any idea how much you sound like Trump? Claiming to be a cut above while sounding like a complete idiot is no way to go through life Hank.

Ah, another one of your brilliant posts, you seem to find some bizarre way of bringing up Trump in any conversation.

 

[Origanalist]

Haha, exactly what the pedo said, 17 is not 14, and it is certainly not 6, nice try. Again, he said this crap - on the air - as early as 2010, likely before, it's not as if this is some new revelation. I can't think of any radio host who would say anything remotely like that in my town and still be on the air 6yrs later, but then, that's my town.





Ah, another one of your brilliant posts, you seem to find some bizarre way of bringing up Trump in any conversation.

Ya, bizarre.

 

[caracoid]

Haha, exactly what the pedo said, 17 is not 14, and it is certainly not 6, nice try. Again, he said this crap - on the air - as early as 2010, likely before, it's not as if this is some new revelation. I can't think of any radio host who would say anything remotely like that in my town and still be on the air 6yrs later, but then, that's my town.

Even at 14 I would still be holding annual candlelight vigils to this day.

 

[hankrichter12]

Even at 14 I would still be holding annual candlelight vigils to this day.

Yeah, well, I'm 40, you got a hot 14yr old daughter? Can I come have a romp with her?

It's funny to me how you all at first are suggesting this was stuff I was just making up and I was branding the whole group based on 1 person, now you're all agreeing with that 1 person, so seems my initial statement was correct and that pedophilia is an issue that is on the table in the FSP.

Heard the guy just got raided by the FBI, hope it's the first of many.

 

[caracoid]

Yeah, well, I'm 40, you got a hot 14yr old daughter? Can I come have a romp with her?

It's funny to me how you all at first are suggesting this was stuff I was just making up and I was branding the whole group based on 1 person, now you're all agreeing with that 1 person, so seems my initial statement was correct and that pedophilia is an issue that is on the table in the FSP.

Heard the guy just got raided by the FBI, hope it's the first of many.

Funny how your brain works in "all in"-"all out" mode. Excuse me if it takes a minute to readjust my thinking to where you're coming from. That "one person" you are referring to is the one that said sex with a 6-year-old might be okay. As a response to which, FSP chucked him out with no quibbles from anyone that I'm aware of. The other guy I really can't defend either--if for no other reason--enticing her with the promise of drugs (the morality of which not having seemed to affect you much seeing as you never mentioned it). Taking on the responsibility of legalizing drugs carries with it a corresponding responsibility to warn kids of their dangers and certainly not to be making drugs available for sexual favors. I could certainly see him being prosecuted for that.

Now on to what I actually did say, which was that I would have died to have the opportunity to have sex with an older woman when I was 14. I suppose out of desperation you tried to tie that into my supporting having nonconsensual sex with 6-year-olds. Yet another one of your "gotcha!" tactics. Pretty slimy move but with a brain limited to "all in-"all out" thinking I guess it's understandable.

I know my hormones as well as my friends' were raging at that age, and I've never heard anyone claim that to be anything other than the norm. Of course there are those with low sex drives who would find all this talk incomprehensible. And I have no problem with this type of person (having probably been genetically predisposed to this) feeling strange about sex at this age (or any age, for that matter). Some people might unfeelingly refer to them as "dead fish." Now I would never go so far as to condemn someone for that. You are what you are, uh . . . Hank. But please understand that others experienced strong compulsions at that time (given to us by Mother Nature, and for good reason) as opposed to the "dead fish" who I'm sure have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. The problem is is that "dead fish" have this strange proclivity of accusing others of UN-natural behavior. Odd for the minority, but I'm sure it all makes sense to a "dead fish." Are you with me on this, Hank?

 

[hankrichter12]

Funny how your brain works in "all in"-"all out" mode. Excuse me if it takes a minute to readjust my thinking to where you're coming from. That "one person" you are referring to is the one that said sex with a 6-year-old might be okay. As a response to which, FSP chucked him out with no quibbles from anyone that I'm aware of. The other guy I really can't defend either--if for no other reason--enticing her with the promise of drugs (the morality of which not having seemed to affect you much seeing as you never mentioned it). Taking on the responsibility of legalizing drugs carries with it a corresponding responsibility to warn kids of their dangers and certainly not to be making drugs available for sexual favors. I could certainly see him being prosecuted for that.

They chucked him out after 6yrs of him saying it, because suddenly it was getting outside attention and was becoming a PR and likely even legal problem, oh, bravo to them.

Now on to what I actually did say, which was that I would have died to have the opportunity to have sex with an older woman when I was 14. I suppose out of desperation you tried to tie that into my supporting having nonconsensual sex with 6-year-olds. Yet another one of your "gotcha!" tactics. Pretty slimy move but with a brain limited to "all in-"all out" thinking I guess it's understandable.

I very clearly responded to your comment about being 14, so WTF are you talking about? So 14 you say "maybe", 6 is a no way, so what is the line for you? 10? 8? 12? just curious. I'm at least willing to acknowledge perhaps there are some grey areas, a 19yr old with a 17yr old, but honestly, I'd say if anything the age of consent should raised not lowered in our day, to suggest a 17yr old today is even remotely as "wise to the world" as a 17yr old a 100yrs ago is ludicrous.

I know my hormones as well as my friends' were raging at that age, and I've never heard anyone claim that to be anything other than the norm. Of course there are those with low sex drives who would find all this talk incomprehensible. And I have no problem with this type of person (having probably been genetically predisposed to this) feeling strange about sex at this age (or any age, for that matter). Some people might unfeelingly refer to them as "dead fish." Now I would never go so far as to condemn someone for that. You are what you are, uh . . . Hank. But please understand that others experienced strong compulsions at that time (given to us by Mother Nature, and for good reason) as opposed to the "dead fish" who I'm sure have a purpose in the grand scheme of things. The problem is is that "dead fish" have this strange proclivity of accusing others of UN-natural behavior. Odd for the minority, but I'm sure it all makes sense to a "dead fish." Are you with me on this, Hank?

...and you're accusing me of "slimy moves" and having "a brain limited to "all in-"all out" thinkin"

 

[tod evans]

They chucked him out after 6yrs of him saying it, because suddenly it was getting outside attention and was becoming a PR and likely even legal problem, oh, bravo to them.



I very clearly responded to your comment about being 14, so WTF are you talking about? So 14 you say "maybe", 6 is a no way, so what is the line for you? 10? 8? 12? just curious. I'm at least willing to acknowledge perhaps there are some grey areas, a 19yr old with a 17yr old, but honestly, I'd say if anything the age of consent should raised not lowered in our day, to suggest a 17yr old today is even remotely as "wise to the world" as a 17yr old a 100yrs ago is ludicrous.




...and you're accusing me of "slimy moves" and having "a brain limited to "all in-"all out" thinkin"

Raised by whom?

Surely not government and her stooges...

Between religious leaders and government functionaries very few children are actually "safe".......

Parents being involved with their kids and having the freedom to actually stop foul play is a much better solution.......

 

[TheTexan]

They chucked him out after 6yrs of him saying it, because suddenly it was getting outside attention and was becoming a PR and likely even legal problem, oh, bravo to them.



I very clearly responded to your comment about being 14, so WTF are you talking about? So 14 you say "maybe", 6 is a no way, so what is the line for you? 10? 8? 12? just curious. I'm at least willing to acknowledge perhaps there are some grey areas, a 19yr old with a 17yr old, but honestly, I'd say if anything the age of consent should raised not lowered in our day, to suggest a 17yr old today is even remotely as "wise to the world" as a 17yr old a 100yrs ago is ludicrous.




...and you're accusing me of "slimy moves" and having "a brain limited to "all in-"all out" thinkin"

17 year old is a "gray area" for you? What the fuck is wrong with you, the age of consent is 18, anything lower than that is pedophilia.

You're no better than the rest of these pedophiles.

 

[caracoid]

"I very clearly responded to your comment about being 14, so WTF are you talking about?"

Yes, you did respond to what I said with the brilliant rejoinder: "Haha, exactly what the pedo said." And somehow that's supposed to cover what I wrote in return?

"So 14 you say "maybe", 6 is a no way, so what is the line for you? 10? 8? 12? just curious. I'm at least willing to acknowledge perhaps there are some grey areas, a 19yr old with a 17yr old,"

I'm sure not going to get into that game with you. All I can say is what would have been good for me (and in this particular case it would have been GREAT for me). I'm not trying to cover ALL people with my personal views. And that is a good example of being a libertarian. I'll be damned if I know what you were in it for.

"I'd say if anything the age of consent should raised not lowered in our day, to suggest a 17yr old today is even remotely as "wise to the world" as a 17yr old a 100yrs ago is ludicrous."

Wow! There's a whopper. Now you're increasing the age of consent FOR EVERYBODY based on all the knowledge you've amassed in your 40 years of existence that a 17-year-old today is less worldly than a seventeen-year-old a hundred years ago? Seriously, where is this town you live in? The Ozarks? Other than how to wring a chicken's neck, how do you see teenagers as more worldly then than they are today?

I mean obviously today you've made it into the big town's library where they've taught you how to type on the computer ("It's just like huntin' n' peckin', Hank!") and I'm sure your first move was to download the "Sobbin' Women" song from Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, followed up by two hours of "Pong,".--but other than that--you just haven't gotten around much, have you? Why not step into a moving picture show house for the matinee and then tell me what you think when you come out.


"and you are accusin' me of "slimy moves" with 'a havin' "a brane limideded to "all in-"all out" thinkin?"'

Uh, . . . yes.

 

[hankrichter12]

Raised by whom?

Surely not government and her stooges...

Between religious leaders and government functionaries very few children are actually "safe".......

Parents being involved with their kids and having the freedom to actually stop foul play is a much better solution.......

Oh, a priest joke, how original. I'm not religious myself so if that was your gig sorry to disappoint you, I do know however that was Catholics and a very small number at that. But your statement is completely contradictory, if there is no age of consent set and enforced how can any parent "stop the foul play" when it is perfectly legal?

17 year old is a "gray area" for you? What the $#@! is wrong with you, the age of consent is 18, anything lower than that is pedophilia.

You're no better than the rest of these pedophiles.

Oooh, that's a good one. Maybe next time, post the whole sentence instead of the part you took out of context.

"I very clearly responded to your comment about being 14, so WTF are you talking about?"

Yes, you did respond to what I said with the brilliant rejoinder: "Haha, exactly what the pedo said." And somehow that's supposed to cover what I wrote in return?

"So 14 you say "maybe", 6 is a no way, so what is the line for you? 10? 8? 12? just curious. I'm at least willing to acknowledge perhaps there are some grey areas, a 19yr old with a 17yr old,"

I'm sure not going to get into that game with you. All I can say is what would have been good for me (and in this particular case it would have been GREAT for me). I'm not trying to cover ALL people with my personal views. And that is a good example of being a libertarian. I'll be damned if I know what you were in it for.

"I'd say if anything the age of consent should raised not lowered in our day, to suggest a 17yr old today is even remotely as "wise to the world" as a 17yr old a 100yrs ago is ludicrous."

Wow! There's a whopper. Now you're increasing the age of consent FOR EVERYBODY based on all the knowledge you've amassed in your 40 years of existence that a 17-year-old today is less worldly than a seventeen-year-old a hundred years ago? Seriously, where is this town you live in? The Ozarks? Other than how to wring a chicken's neck, how do you see teenagers as more worldly then than they are today?

I mean obviously today you've made it into the big town's library where they've taught you how to type on the computer ("It's just like huntin' n' peckin', Hank!") and I'm sure your first move was to download the "Sobbin' Women" song from Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, followed up by two hours of "Pong,".--but other than that--you just haven't gotten around much, have you? Why not step into a moving picture show house for the matinee and then tell me what you think when you come out.


"and you are accusin' me of "slimy moves" with 'a havin' "a brane limideded to "all in-"all out" thinkin?"'

Uh, . . . yes.

Do you actually have anything relevant to say on this topic or just more of your childish bombast? If 14 would have been "good for you", then who are you to say 6 isn't good for someone else?

Again, it's funny how you're all trying to prove me wrong and actually doing the exact opposite. It's obvious you sympathize with the pedo arguments. Anyone can see where it's all leading:

 

[TheTexan]

Oooh, that's a good one. Maybe next time, post the whole sentence instead of the part you took out of context.

I quoted your entire post... Now you're just dodging because youve been called out for what you are, a pedo.

You and these other pedos make me sick. Disgusting.

 

[tod evans]

Oh, a priest joke, how original. I'm not religious myself so if that was your gig sorry to disappoint you, I do know however that was Catholics and a very small number at that. But your statement is completely contradictory, if there is no age of consent set and enforced how can any parent "stop the foul play" when it is perfectly legal?

I'm of the opinion that you really are as ignorant and dense as you come across in type......

That wasn't a "priest" joke you imbecile, I specifically typed religious leaders for a reason.

And then your assertion that legality has anything to do with parents protecting their progeny? There's nothing I can type that'll register with you.

You've gone and done it Hank, convinced me that you're posting from a group homes computer in the day-room... When does the med cart make the rounds? I'll try again when you're able to focus....

 

[caracoid]

"Again, it's funny how you're all trying to prove me wrong and actually doing the exact opposite. It's obvious you sympathize with the pedo arguments. Anyone can see where it's all leading"

Still trying to flog that one, huh?

 

[hankrichter12]

I'm of the opinion that you really are as ignorant and dense as you come across in type......

That wasn't a "priest" joke you imbecile, I specifically typed religious leaders for a reason.

And then your assertion that legality has anything to do with parents protecting their progeny? There's nothing I can type that'll register with you.

You've gone and done it Hank, convinced me that you're posting from a group homes computer in the day-room... When does the med cart make the rounds? I'll try again when you're able to focus....

"Again, it's funny how you're all trying to prove me wrong and actually doing the exact opposite. It's obvious you sympathize with the pedo arguments. Anyone can see where it's all leading"

Still trying to flog that one, huh?

No you guys are playing the cop out game, let's go back to my first post. I say FSP is suggesting pedophilia is not their business

Oh no, that's crazy, no we don't

OK, well here's this Ian guy

I want proof

OK, here's the proof

OK, well that's, just one idiot

I provide more examples

Well, alright, a few idiots, but still you can't blame everyone for a few idiots, and anyway, 17.....err, yaknow, even 14, that's not so bad, I wanted to bang my teacher when I was 14 and it would have been awesome, who are you to judge?

So, 17 slash 14, is OK, or at least up for debate, how about 6?

Oh no, not 6, definitely not

Alright, so what is the age then?

I'm not going there

So it's somewhere between 6-14, can I set an age?

No way, you're forcing your view on others, it's up to the parents in some vague sort of way

So what do the parents do if there is no law against it and no age set?

You're ignorant, parents can protect their progeny

OK fine, but since there is no legal age imposed when exactly is someone no longer a child and no longer under their parents rules? Can I tell my 17yrd old they aren't allowed to date a 30yr old? Can I tell my 14yr old they aren't allowed to date a 30yr old? When are they allowed to make that choice on their own?

Go take your meds Hank

So you all agree pedophilia is wrong, yet refuse to define what it actually is, which doesn't matter anyway since you don't think there should be any legal punishment for someone who engages in your undefined pedophilia because that would be bad to impose your views on someone else with force which is what those bad govts and religions do - so, you agree with Ian, which is what I said from the start.

 

[tod evans]

Proof's in the pudding, quoted to prevent editing.........

I'm of the opinion that you really are as ignorant and dense as you come across in type......

That wasn't a "priest" joke you imbecile, I specifically typed religious leaders for a reason.

And then your assertion that legality has anything to do with parents protecting their progeny? There's nothing I can type that'll register with you.

You've gone and done it Hank, convinced me that you're posting from a group homes computer in the day-room... When does the med cart make the rounds? I'll try again when you're able to focus....

No you guys are playing the cop out game, let's go back to my first post. I say FSP is suggesting pedophilia is not their business

Oh no, that's crazy, no we don't

OK, well here's this Ian guy

I want proof

OK, here's the proof

OK, well that's, just one idiot

I provide more examples

Well, alright, a few idiots, but still you can't blame everyone for a few idiots, and anyway, 17.....err, yaknow, even 14, that's not so bad, I wanted to bang my teacher when I was 14 and it would have been awesome, who are you to judge?

So, 17 slash 14, is OK, or at least up for debate, how about 6?

Oh no, not 6, definitely not

Alright, so what is the age then?

I'm not going there

So it's somewhere between 6-14, can I set an age?

No way, you're forcing your view on others, it's up to the parents in some vague sort of way

So what do the parents do if there is no law against it and no age set?

You're ignorant, parents can protect their progeny

OK fine, but since there is no legal age imposed when exactly is someone no longer a child and no longer under their parents rules? Can I tell my 17yrd old they aren't allowed to date a 30yr old? Can I tell my 14yr old they aren't allowed to date a 30yr old? When are they allowed to make that choice on their own?

Go take your meds Hank

So you all agree pedophilia is wrong, yet refuse to define what it actually is, which doesn't matter anyway since you don't think there should be any legal punishment for someone who engages in your undefined pedophilia because that would be bad to impose your views on someone else with force which is what those bad govts and religions do - so, you agree with Ian, which is what I said from the start.