FSP & Age of Consent - split thread

[hankrichter12]

Proof's in the pudding, quoted to prevent editing.........

Editing? What would I edit? I said what I said, you and the others said what you said.

 

[caracoid]

No you guys are playing the cop out game, let's go back to my first post. I say FSP is suggesting pedophilia is not their business

Oh no, that's crazy, no we don't

OK, well here's this Ian guy

I want proof

OK, here's the proof

OK, well that's, just one idiot

I provide more examples

Well, alright, a few idiots, but still you can't blame everyone for a few idiots, and anyway, 17.....err, yaknow, even 14, that's not so bad, I wanted to bang my teacher when I was 14 and it would have been awesome, who are you to judge?

So, 17 slash 14, is OK, or at least up for debate, how about 6?

Oh no, not 6, definitely not

Alright, so what is the age then?

I'm not going there

So it's somewhere between 6-14, can I set an age?

No way, you're forcing your view on others, it's up to the parents in some vague sort of way

So what do the parents do if there is no law against it and no age set?

You're ignorant, parents can protect their progeny

OK fine, but since there is no legal age imposed when exactly is someone no longer a child and no longer under their parents rules? Can I tell my 17yrd old they aren't allowed to date a 30yr old? Can I tell my 14yr old they aren't allowed to date a 30yr old? When are they allowed to make that choice on their own?

Go take your meds Hank

So you all agree pedophilia is wrong, yet refuse to define what it actually is, which doesn't matter anyway since you don't think there should be any legal punishment for someone who engages in your undefined pedophilia because that would be bad to impose your views on someone else with force which is what those bad govts and religions do - so, you agree with Ian, which is what I said from the start.

Thank you for telling me what I think.

We're pretty much answering your question with an "it depends." To ask for a hard and fast rule is for people with binary minds. Nor have you answered my questions: Would you honestly have felt violated at 14 if some older woman had come along? Answer that. And what would you do with my dream woman if she had come along when I was 14? Do you throw her in jail for life for something that obviously hadn't harmed me but on the contrary made me feel a lot better about life in general?

If you were truely one of those few nonsexual boys, there's going to be no way to explain this to you. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I mean nonsexual boys grow up to be uncles that can throw on an apron when the parents need a break to "reconnect." Mother Nature has given you your uses. And we appreciate that.

 

[hankrichter12]

Thank you for telling me what I think.

We're pretty much answering your question with an "it depends." To ask for a hard and fast rule is for people with binary minds. Nor have you answered my questions: Would you honestly have felt violated at 14 if some older woman had come along? Answer that. And what would you do with my dream woman if she had come along when I was 14? Do you throw her in jail for life for something that obviously hadn't harmed me but on the contrary made me feel a lot better about life in general?

If you were truely one of those few nonsexual boys, there's going to be no way to explain this to you. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I mean nonsexual boys grow up to be uncles that can throw on an apron when the parents need a break to "reconnect." Mother Nature has given you your uses. And we appreciate that.

Was gonna answer till I got here. Really?

 

[tod evans]

Editing? What would I edit? I said what I said, you and the others said what you said.

Yes Hank, I did type what I typed, then you went on to accredit me with things I didn't type..

Is there a cognizant person who could help you process information before you type?

 

[Anti Federalist]

I agree with Ian in this regard:

It is a matter that should be decided among families and parents, not by setting arbitrary criminal rules by a disconnected, authoritarian and unresponsive government.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Raised by whom?

Surely not government and her stooges...

Between religious leaders and government functionaries very few children are actually "safe".......

Parents being involved with their kids and having the freedom to actually stop foul play is a much better solution.......

And to what?

21?

25?

Never?

 

[hankrichter12]

Yes Hank, I did type what I typed, then you went on to accredit me with things I didn't type..

Is there a cognizant person who could help you process information before you type?

I was not just replying to you, I was replying to this topic as a whole, if you got mixed up in that, my apologies, I guess I just can't even believe this a topic that is on the table, I mean, maybe I could understand a 17yr old who was legally dating a 16yr old, now one of them turns 18, and the other is 17, OK, that is a bit of a grey area, but to me, 30 and 14? 6yrs old?!?! Not even remotely negotiable.

 

[LibertyEagle]

I was not just replying to you, I was replying to this topic as a whole, if you got mixed up in that, my apologies, I guess I just can't even believe this a topic that is on the table, I mean, maybe I could understand a 17yr old who was legally dating a 16yr old, now one of them turns 18, and the other is 17, OK, that is a bit of a grey area, but to me, 30 and 14? 6yrs old?!?! Not even remotely negotiable.

Yup and it is one of many reasons why we cannot have nice things.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Raised by whom?

Surely not government and her stooges...

Between religious leaders and government functionaries very few children are actually "safe".......

Parents being involved with their kids and having the freedom to actually stop foul play is a much better solution.......

I agree. But, what is with all the beating around the bush by everyone on this thread? I would imagine (I hope) everyone here is against a 30 year old having sex with a 6 year old little girl. So, why not say it at the very beginning and then bring up the gray area, 19 vs. 17, etc, and discuss the best ways to deal with the whole issue.

 

[hankrichter12]

I agree. But, what is with all the beating around the bush by everyone on this thread? I would imagine (I hope) everyone here is against a 30 year old having sex with a 6 year old little girl. So, why not say it at the very beginning and then bring up the gray area, 19 vs. 17, etc, and discuss the best ways to deal with the whole issue.

THANK YOU! That is what I'm saying. These people are making me pretty nervous. Everyone always asks me "Where is that line when you would finally pick up a gun and rebel" - I don't know man, if our society has gotten to the point where having sex with kids is now a valid topic worthy of discussion, this might just be it for me.

 

[tod evans]

I agree. But, what is with all the beating around the bush by everyone on this thread? I would imagine (I hope) everyone here is against a 30 year old having sex with a 6 year old little girl. So, why not say it at the very beginning and then bring up the gray area, 19 vs. 17, etc, and discuss the best ways to deal with the whole issue.

I can't speak for everyone......:o

I've been quite clear about my position....

 

[Danke]

17 year old is a "gray area" for you? What the fuck is wrong with you, the age of consent is 18, anything lower than that is pedophilia.

You're no better than the rest of these pedophiles.

All the 17 year olds I have known had no "gray areas."

 

[TheTexan]

All the 17 year olds I have known had no "gray areas."

In states where 17 is legal I presume. Otherwise you're a pedo like Hank and the others.

But if its legal its fine.

 

[caracoid]

I agree. But, what is with all the beating around the bush by everyone on this thread? I would imagine (I hope) everyone here is against a 30 year old having sex with a 6 year old little girl. So, why not say it at the very beginning and then bring up the gray area, 19 vs. 17, etc, and discuss the best ways to deal with the whole issue.

Okay, Einstein. You answer some of these questions that were brought up. And of course we can all draw the line somewhere, but it's going to be the finer points that become nearly impossible to answer without some kind of head-in-the-sand answer, like: No sex unless you're over 25 (or whatever Hank Slap-'n-tickle is pushing). And don't tell me you're one of these zombies who claim that when they were a 14-years-old they didn't dream about sleeping with a real woman.

I'm probably older than most of you, but when I was 14 there certainly was no controversy in saying that. Have we really succumbed to the PC fantasy world or Christian conservative religious dogma? Is it any wonder libertarians are trying to get out of this nightmare where you're forced to say things that are obviously not true in order to placate the witch hunters like Slap-'n-tickle over there?

 

[Anti Federalist]

THANK YOU! That is what I'm saying. These people are making me pretty nervous. Everyone always asks me "Where is that line when you would finally pick up a gun and rebel" - I don't know man, if our society has gotten to the point where having sex with kids is now a valid topic worthy of discussion, this might just be it for me.

Good grief...you don't have to be in favor of shooting up heroin, to be in favor of ending the drug war and legalizing all drugs.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Okay, Einstein. You answer some of these questions that were brought up. And of course we can all draw the line somewhere, but it's going to be the finer points that become nearly impossible to answer without some kind of head-in-the-sand answer, like: No sex unless you're over 25 (or whatever Hank Slap-'n-tickle is pushing). And don't tell me you're one of these zombies who claim that when they were a 14-years-old they didn't dream about sleeping with a real woman.

I'm probably older than most of you, but when I was 14 there certainly was no controversy in saying that.

And I think there was always more latitude when it was a boy at that age, as opposed to a girl. For obvious reasons.

Have we really succumbed to the PC fantasy world or Christian conservative religious dogma? Is it any wonder libertarians are trying to get out of this nightmare where you're forced to say things that are obviously not true in order to placate the witch hunters like Slap-'n-tickle over there?

He initially brought up a 30 year old man having sex with a 6 year old little girl. If we cannot reach consensus that this is not acceptable, then something is very wrong.

 

[hankrichter12]

Okay, Einstein. You answer some of these questions that were brought up. And of course we can all draw the line somewhere, but it's going to be the finer points that become nearly impossible to answer without some kind of head-in-the-sand answer, like: No sex unless you're over 25 (or whatever Hank Slap-'n-tickle is pushing). And don't tell me you're one of these zombies who claim that when they were a 14-years-old they didn't dream about sleeping with a real woman.

I'm probably older than most of you, but when I was 14 there certainly was no controversy in saying that. Have we really succumbed to the PC fantasy world or Christian conservative religious dogma? Is it any wonder libertarians are trying to get out of this nightmare where you're forced to say things that are obviously not true in order to placate the witch hunters like Slap-'n-tickle over there?

So once again - you agree with Ian, nice to know. Are you this guy? You sure sound like him there fruity.

http://freekeene.com/2016/03/18/ian-freemans-fsp-shunning-considered-as-victim-blaming/

And I think there was always more latitude when it was a boy at that age, as opposed to a girl. For obvious reasons.

He initially brought up a 30 year old man having sex with a 6 year old little girl. If we cannot reach consensus that this is not acceptable, then something is very wrong.

It's not really a debate about as to whether or not 14yr old boys have hormones or fantasies, the debate is whether or not they are old enough to make that kind of decision and act on them, the kid aside, goodness, what kind of 30-40yr old woman would be pursuing someone in Jr High? This sicko doesn't seem to understand the difference.

Good grief...you don't have to be in favor of shooting up heroin, to be in favor of ending the drug war and legalizing all drugs.

OK man, I've been pretty respectful of many of your opinions even if I've not agreed all the time, but you are totally losing me here, I fail to see the correlation, are you equating drug use to screwing children?

 

[Anti Federalist]

OK man, I've been pretty respectful of many of your opinions even if I've not agreed all the time, but you are totally losing me here, I fail to see the correlation, are you equating drug use to screwing children?

Both are negative social behaviours, that arbitrary criminal rules tend to make the situation worse rather than better and increase the size and scope and power of government.

Should there be a federal "war on pedophelia"?

If not, why not?

 

[hankrichter12]

Both are negative social behaviours, that arbitrary criminal rules tend to make the situation worse rather than better and increase the size and scope and power of government.

Should there be a federal "war on pedophelia"?

If not, why not?

You guys always have to go into hysterics, OK, fine, take the federal govt out of it, me personally, with no fear of govt retribution, I, no joke, would cut off this (mod edit), he is free to go live his life as he sees fit after that, so, absent, the state, that would be Ian's fate if guys like me were free to do as we please.

There are pricks on these boards - not saying you, not quite sure your angle just yet - who have mentioned they are open to the idea of 14yr olds with 30yr olds, I would treat them the same as Ian.

Now, I know the internet is full of "keyboard warriors" but I will happily give anyone the address to my MMA gym if they want to come call my bluff, even at 40 I'm sure I could still whoop most people out there, and my town is certainly pretty "old school", we have men out here who still believe men should be "masculine" and I can assure you a guy who says 14yr old sex is acceptable, or that a 6yr old can consent will not have a pleasant day here.

So, I'd say for these sick freaks, many of whom are libertarian and hate the state, they should be thanking their lucky stars for the state, because I cannot think of any private property society that would tolerate their sick deviant mentalities for a second.

It's kinda funny seeing people on here advocate for "free societies" when fact of the matter is, without state protection 90% of what they do end up with them swinging from a tree.

 

[tod evans]

You guys always have to go into hysterics, OK, fine, take the federal govt out of it, me personally, with no fear of govt retribution, I, no joke, would cut off this (mod edit), he is free to go live his life as he sees fit after that, so, absent, the state, that would be Ian's fate if guys like me were free to do as we please.

There are pricks on these boards - not saying you, not quite sure your angle just yet - who have mentioned they are open to the idea of 14yr olds with 30yr olds, I would treat them the same as Ian.

Now, I know the internet is full of "keyboard warriors" but I will happily give anyone the address to my MMA gym if they want to come call my bluff, even at 40 I'm sure I could still whoop most people out there, and my town is certainly pretty "old school", we have men out here who still believe men should be "masculine" and I can assure you a guy who says 14yr old sex is acceptable, or that a 6yr old can consent will not have a pleasant day here.

So, I'd say for these sick freaks, many of whom are libertarian and hate the state, they should be thanking their lucky stars for the state, because I cannot think of any private property society that would tolerate their sick deviant mentalities for a second.

It's kinda funny seeing people on here advocate for "free societies" when fact of the matter is, without state protection 90% of what they do end up with them swinging from a tree.

WTF is an "MMA gym?

Is that some kind of tuff-guy hangout where ya'll penis gaze in the showers?

Real men work, they don't work out, real men don't profess to want to cripple others for their ideas or thoughts, real men do take care of business when children are messed with and.............Real men don't cry to government to handle things in their stead.