Frein Captured

[pcosmar]

What do you mean no evidence presented? Do you want them to fly you out to the crime scene so you can investigate yourself?

NO.
That is what a trial is for. But he was executed (Dorner) without trial.

(the intent to execute was clear from the citizens shot)

 

[pcosmar]

True enough. He could have had a reason in his head to kill the cop, but that does not justify him in taking another human life. Unless he was in imminent danger, which does not seem to be the case in the initial shooting.

There is such a thing as Justifiable Homicide..
I have no idea if this was the case. but then I have no idea if he was in, fact, the shooter.

It is clear that he was not "hunting cops" as was reported earlier. If he had been,, there would have been more dead cops.
He may have been hiding simply because he knew he was set up for it.
It is not likely he will get a fair trial

 

[jonhowe]

uh...no...we get our facts from Hannity around here...

My point is, unless you go there yourself and see the evidence in person, there's always someone presenting the news to you. pcosmar always brings this up as a reason not to believe the "official story". But it is ALWAYS the case.

By his logic Frein might not even exist. He might be a completely made up person.

 

[pcosmar]

By his logic Frein might not even exist. He might be a completely made up person.

As with all stories presented by people that are known liars,, any story is questionable.

 

[JK/SEA]

As with all stories presented by people that are known liars,, any story is questionable.

wouldn't it be nice to live in a society where everyone was truthful and forthright?...

This is why i donate to SETI....

 

[pcosmar]

wouldn't it be nice to live in a society where everyone was truthful and forthright?...

It would be nice if honesty was not so damn rare.

If reporters actually asked questions, rather than parroting the "Official Reports". or worse yet,,copy/pasting AP and Reuters.

My personal suspicion,, after following this case loosely.. is that IF he did in fact kill this cop,, it was for a specific reason,, and whether that reason was a good one or not,,, would be up to a jury to decide.

There is obviously more to this than the propaganda outlets want to publish.

 

[staerker]

Hero for doing what? Either he shot someone unprovoked (and he's a murderer) or he didn't (and hes a guy running around in the woods for no particular reason).

Really? He is a hero because for seven weeks he single-handedly outwitted a corrupt government who used 9.6 million FRNs worth of resources.

You and I know that, if innocent, he wasn't "running around in the woods for no particular reason."

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

There is such a thing as Justifiable Homicide..
I have no idea if this was the case. but then I have no idea if he was in, fact, the shooter.

It is clear that he was not "hunting cops" as was reported earlier. If he had been,, there would have been more dead cops.
He may have been hiding simply because he knew he was set up for it.
It is not likely he will get a fair trial

OK, I'll bite. This is what stinks about the whole story:

They found his SUV crashed in a swamp 3 days after the shooting. In it they found 2 rifle cases, supplies, his drivers licence and shell cases from the shooting...
First off, his license plates would be enough to ID the SUV as his. Why did he leave his drivers licence in there? It sort of reminds me of that totally unscathed passport found on the ground in front of the WTC on 9/11 - really fishy.

Second, they didn't have the rifle until yesterday. You need physical possession of a firearm before you can forensically match ejection and fireing pin marks to it, so how did they know that brass was associated with the shooting?

They announced really too soon that he was captured with the murder weapon. Even being put in the front of the line and given a rush priority, that's way too fast for the results to definitely say that.

So yeah, some fishy things here.

-t

 

[jonhowe]

Really? He is a hero because for seven weeks he single-handedly outwitted a corrupt government who used 9.6 million FRNs worth of resources.

You and I know that, if innocent, he wasn't "running around in the woods for no particular reason."

Outwitting people we already know to be incompetent is a heroic thing? Causing millions of dollars to be wasted paying cops' over time is heroic?

Obama outwitted the american people and is wasting money; he must be a hero!

 

[pcosmar]

Hero for doing what? Either he shot someone unprovoked (and he's a murderer) or he didn't (and hes a guy running around in the woods for no particular reason).

Or option three,, he is innocent and was running because he was accused and had no way of defending himself against the charge,, or those trying to kill him.

Or option 4,, he shot a criminal that is/was being protected by the State.

I have come to NO Conclusions.

 

[pcosmar]

They announced really too soon that he was captured with the murder weapon. Even being put in the front of the line and given a rush priority, that's way too fast for the results to definitely say that.

So yeah, some fishy things here.
-t

Yeah,, sort of like Dorner"s weapon,, (which he never used)
The sniper rifle that was displayed after his death.

Did they recover that intact rifle from the burned out home,, or from his burned out truck?

 

[staerker]

Outwitting people we already know to be incompetent is a heroic thing? Causing millions of dollars to be wasted paying cops' over time is heroic?

Obama outwitted the american people and is wasting money; he must be a hero!

He outwitted the modern surveillance state, not some beat cop.

And really? You seriously think he spent that money? Did he collect that money? Did he sign the check? My goodness, assign responsibility where you know it is due. Our corrupt government wasted that money.

You last statement does not follow.

 

[devil21]

It would be nice if honesty was not so damn rare.

If reporters actually asked questions, rather than parroting the "Official Reports". or worse yet,,copy/pasting AP and Reuters.

My personal suspicion,, after following this case loosely.. is that IF he did in fact kill this cop,, it was for a specific reason,, and whether that reason was a good one or not,,, would be up to a jury to decide.

There is obviously more to this than the propaganda outlets want to publish.

I'm pretty well convinced, after checking out evidence dug up by independent investigators on other websites, that this whole thing was a police drill scenario and most of the story is fabricated. People will believe what they want to believe I guess....

 

[Anti Federalist]

Good run Eric.

Got a neg rep for that.

I stand by it.

Good run...made a whole squadron of the hut hutting police state look like a bunch of jackasses, and helped to keep them from ruining other people's lives and days, (see graphics posted that show tickets and police actions down by some +40% in the effected counties) for a full seven weeks.

Maybe some baby burning SWAT raid never happened because the asshole cops were too busy hunting down the desperate and dangerous Eric Frein.

 

[TheCount]

Don't you mean that people will disbelieve what they want to disbelieve?

The news report that a US Gov paid rocket launch crashed is automatically believed, because it fits with a 'the government is incompetent' worldview. On the flip side, any news story which could appear negative for liberty causes is automatically disbelieved.

 

[pcosmar]

Don't you mean that people will disbelieve what they want to disbelieve?

The news report that a US Gov paid rocket launch crashed is automatically believed, because it fits with a 'the government is incompetent' worldview. On the flip side, any news story which could appear negative for liberty causes is automatically disbelieved.

I do not start with any preconceived notion,, beyond that the government and media are essentially dishonest.

I observe.. I seek information elsewhere. and I sometimes come to a conclusion,,

Regardless,, I start with a position of skepticism. I make my own decisions and come to my own conclusions on what I believe.

 

[devil21]

Don't you mean that people will disbelieve what they want to disbelieve?

Seems to me to be the same thing. 6 or a half dozen?

The news report that a US Gov paid rocket launch crashed is automatically believed, because it fits with a 'the government is incompetent' worldview. On the flip side, any news story which could appear negative for liberty causes is automatically disbelieved.

Exploding rocket had video evidence, at least. Evidence of the actual background of the person purported to be "Eric Frein" is very, very different than the background presented by the media and is in no way aligned with libertarian ideology. Unless one considers being an avid communist and a military intelligence operative to be "libertarian".

 

[aGameOfThrones]

Got a neg rep for that.

I stand by it.

Good run...made a whole squadron of the hut hutting police state look like a bunch of jackasses, and helped to keep them from ruining other people's lives and days, (see graphics posted that show tickets and police actions down by some +40% in the effected counties) for a full seven weeks.

Maybe some baby burning SWAT raid never happened because the asshole cops were too busy hunting down the desperate and dangerous Eric Frein.

The Eric Frein Event showed the "Freedoms" you "have" when a Holy Cop gets murdered. Now they can continue throwing grenades at babies sleeping in their cribs all "innocent" and shit.

 

[TheCount]

Regardless,, I start with a position of skepticism. I make my own decisions and come to my own conclusions on what I believe.

Okay, starting from a position of skepticism, what makes more sense:

1) The government executed a poorly organized $10 million manhunt to find a self-trained "survivalist" criminal and only found him due to luck.

2) The government executed a flawless false flag with 0 leaks whatsoever, used the situation for 0 legislative benefit, and ended the operation after 7 weeks having accomplished... what, closing some park land during the hunting season? Inconveniencing locals? Harassing a guy who walks to work?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Okay, starting from a position of skepticism, what makes more sense:

1) The government executed a poorly organized $10 million manhunt to find a self-trained "survivalist" criminal and only found him due to luck.

2) The government executed a flawless false flag with 0 leaks whatsoever, used the situation for 0 legislative benefit, and ended the operation after 7 weeks having accomplished... what, closing some park land during the hunting season? Inconveniencing locals? Harassing a guy who walks to work?

1 sounds like SOP.

2 well, they established a precedent for violating peoples civil rights and got practice doing martial law, Just like Boston and got practive doing manhunts and using shiny new cop toys. Doing a zero leak false flag isn't hard if there are only a handful of conspirators and they are the ones giving the orders and finally it's a bit early for any legislation to come out of this. Might want to watch PA elections, though...

-t