Free Staters Not Welcome in New Hampshire

Sure it is. Anytime a political/social/religious movement decides to mob up & mass migrate to a State with an explicit goal of overturning the political order of the native population THAT is an attack. It was an attack when the progs ruined Vermont 100 years ago as part of a deliberate scheme to establish their prog utopia. It was an attack in the 1850's when John Brown and other Yankee terrorist fanatics tried to take over the Kansas territory. That one ended in bloody violence- a percursor to the States War. The Mormons tried twice (Missouri & Illinois) to use mass migration to impose their social/religious order on an unwilling local population. Each attempt ended in bloody war and thankfully defeat of the invades. Finally the mormons at least had the good sense after it was beaten into them to try their utopian ideas in an empty land- the basin of the Great Salt Lake. Third time was a charm. They got their utopia. I suggest the Free Staters do the same- settle an empty or at least unused tract of land. Acquire it by purchase if necessary. Build your society there- NOT in the backyards of folks who have no use for your 'ideal' social order.

Sorry, but I don't think you have any idea what the FSP is about. 1st off, the only reason it is called a movement is because the media decided to call it that. That's a media created label. What happened in VT didn't happen 100 years ago. I disagree with you about the Mormon, also. The Mormons were running because local folks and even government workers kept robbing and killing them.

Anyway, 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH so it has nothing to do with bothering the native population. In fact, almost everyone of any power involved with the Democratic Party in NH isn't from NH. NH was selected by the FSP because it is both the freest place in the world and has a history of welcome people that love liberty for 100s of years, among other reasons. For example, the governor of NH joined the FSP and welcomed us. Also, the people of NH spent a great deal more time and effort welcoming the FSP than the people of any other state. In fact, when the which state vote happened, a much larger percentage of the FSP membership lived in NH than any other states.

I'm sorry if you don't like freedom. I'm sorry if you don't like traditional NH values. I'm sorry if you want an income tax, a sales tax or much higher property taxes. Perhaps we are just misunderstanding each other. However, you might want to notice that you only have 1 green bar. That might be because of your confusing and perhaps even abrasive posting style.

Again, you are more than welcome to continue this conversation via PM.
 
Anyway, 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH so it has nothing to do with bothering the native population.

Why do they have to be native to NH ? I lived in NH for 25 years - not a native but certainly have a vested interest in NH.
 
Sorry, but I don't think you have any idea what the FSP is about. 1st off, the only reason it is called a movement is because the media decided to call it that.................
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Oh puleasssseee I know EXACTLY what your mob is upto.

.........Anyway, 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH ........

hmmmmm, a while ago it was 40%. Keep going & you will be upto 99% by day's end LMAO


.............you might want to notice that you only have 1 green bar.............

and that changes the truth how?

..........Again, you are more than welcome to continue this conversation via PM.

sonny you sound like a used car salesman desperate to get an unhappy customer out of the showroom lest truth drive out his sucker trade.
 
Why do they have to be native to NH ? I lived in NH for 25 years - not a native but certainly have a vested interest in NH.

No one has to be native. That is a lesser issue in NH than anywhere else I've ever lived. He brought the point up. I was just pointing out that 2/3s of us aren't native. We all have a vested interest in NH. Even though almost all of the powerful Democrats in NH weren't born in NH, that doesn't mean they don't have a vested interest. The former Republican Speaker of the NH House was born on a military base in NJ. He still has a vested interest in NH. You would need to talk to the poster about his ideas.

I think it is great that liberty folks have been attracted to the NH liberty culture for 100s of years. I'm glad that NH allowed the Quakers to escape persecution. I'm glad that NH allowed the runaway slaves to escape persecution. I'm glad that people wanting tattoos before I was born were allowed to drive from MA to NH and get a tattoo. I'm glad that people drive from Boston to Salem, NH to buy cigarettes. I'm glad that people drive from Hartford, CT to Keene, NH to buy liquor. I'm glad that people drive from Amesbury, MA to Seabrook, NH to play black jack and poker. I'm glad that people drive from Benington, VT to Hinsdale, NH to buy fireworks. I'm glad that people drive from Greenfield, MA to Alstead, NH to buy guns.
 
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Oh puleasssseee I know EXACTLY what your mob is upto.
hmmmmm, a while ago it was 40%. Keep going & you will be upto 99% by day's end LMAO
and that changes the truth how?
sonny you sound like a used car salesman desperate to get an unhappy customer out of the showroom lest truth drive out his sucker trade.

Around 60% of the entire population and 2/3s of the adult population isn't from NH. I'm not sure why this is hard for you. I really enjoy stats and so I've learned a lot of them. With some of the jobs I've had in NH, that was important.

I know you are bigoted. I've seen your posting history. I understand change is hard for you. You must be really upset that people other than FSPers have changed NH for the worse. Don't worry. We are here. We will help you and NH.
 
I'm glad that people drive from Boston to Salem, NH to buy cigarettes. I'm glad that people drive from Hartford, CT to Keene, NH to buy liquor. I'm glad that people drive from Amesbury, MA to Seabrook, NH to play black jack and poker. I'm glad that people drive from Benington, VT to Hinsdale, NH to buy fireworks. I'm glad that people drive from Greenfield, MA to Alstead, NH to buy guns.

I'm glad you folks do nipple painting on the Keene circle...
 
Front page of the UL this morning:


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They don't quote a single person from the other side? At least not until after a page turn. The entire story on the front page is devoted to simply what Chase wrote, with no rebuttal or alternative point of view, and really precious little commentary either. Just an occasional "Chase continued" to give it a newspapery tone. They're essentially just slapping up someone's screed on page 1. New Hampshire would be a great place to be the Unabomber, I guess. You don't even have to make threats and demands for your ramblings to be published, just write a rant and the Union Leader will slap it on their front page, interspersed with some biographical information.

I hope that the Union Leader's complete lack of journalism and professionalism is noted by many others besides myself. With luck, their subscription base will plummet and they will be bankrupt in short order.
 
I'm glad you folks do nipple painting on the Keene circle...

I never nipple painted at Central Square. That did happen once. The person that did the painting was a free stater. The person that was painted wasn't a free stater. There was no controversy about that happening. The reason it made the news is because a homeless person was filling up his water bottles at the water fountain at the park. A lady called the cops on the homeless person. When the cops came to tell the lady it wasn't a crime, they saw that a free stater was drinking a beer in the park. Public drinking has been common in Keene for 100s of years. It was banned in the 1970s so now there is a citation for it, similar to smoking a joint in a dozen states. However, the person drinking the beer refused to give the cops his name, so he was arrested. That's why you know about the nipple painting incident which wasn't illegal or controversial at the time. Of course, it still isn't illegal as it is perfectly legal to walk around topless in NH. Just as it is, and always has been, perfectly legal to walk around naked in VT.

Anyway, clearly, neither I nor you were involved in these issues. We didn't do it. Neither did the former governor of NH, also a FSPer. We are both individuals, as are all of the folks involved in the happenings at Central Square that day.
 
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They don't quote a single person from the other side? At least not until after a page turn. The entire story on the front page is devoted to simply what Chase wrote, with no rebuttal or alternative point of view, and really precious little commentary either. Just an occasional "Chase continued" to give it a newspapery tone. They're essentially just slapping up someone's screed on page 1. New Hampshire would be a great place to be the Unabomber, I guess. You don't even have to make threats and demands for your ramblings to be published, just write a rant and the Union Leader will slap it on their front page, interspersed with some biographical information.

I hope that the Union Leader's complete lack of journalism and professionalism is noted by many others besides myself. With luck, their subscription base will plummet and they will be bankrupt in short order.

I agree with on on the 1st paragraph. As for ending the Union Leader, it is by far the most read paper in NH. It is also, 1 of the most libertarian statewide papers in the country. It prints articles and even opt-eds from several FSPers. The publisher of the paper speaks at liberty events. The editor frequently editorializes in favor of liberty bills and against anti-liberty bills and actions. In order to stay so far ahead of the competition in a swing state, it highers some statist leaning reports and also publishes opt-eds by the heads of the Democratic Party. It reminds me of a printed version of a town hall meeting as it prints all sides.

If the Union Leader went away, it would not be a good sign for liberty in NH. On the other hand, the company which owns the main paper in Nashua, NH is for sale. The Nashua Telegraph tends to endorse statist Democrats though it also endorses statist Republicans from time to time (such as Charlie Bass and Mitt Romney). It is much worse than the Union Leader on the issues and doesn't feature columns by John Stossel and other libertarians like the Union Leader does. If you know of anyone with a lot of money and the desire to publish a small paper, please tell them about the Union Leader.

December 28. 2012 5:24PM
Nashua Telegraph for sale
http://www.unionleader.com/article/20121228/NEWS02/121229227
The parent company of the Nashua Telegraph said Friday the newspaper is for sale.

Independent Publications, Inc., said it is seeking buyers for its daily and weekly newspapers, the company said.

Bryn Mawr, Penn. based Independent has owned the Telegraph since 1977. Its New Hampshire holdings also include several weekly newspapers including the (Milford) Cabinet, the Hollis Brookline Journal, the Bedford Journal and Merrimack Journal, and a stable of magazines including New Hampshire Home, New Hampshire Business Review and Parenting New Hampshire

A statement posted by the Telegraph on its website says the family of the late William McLean III, which owns Independent Publications, has decided to shut down the company.
 
Now this issue has entered the NHGOP Chair race. I've worked with Jennifer Horn and like her. I've worked with and like her opponent. This message likely isn't going to influence the vote, but it is nice to know that she, like every Republican with any power, when confronted with the FSP issue, hasn't publicly said anything bad about the FSP.

From The Desk of Jennifer Horn
January 7, 2013

Dear Friends,

You may have heard the recent remarks of Democratic Representative Cynthia Chase, when she stated she thought the legislature should pass laws that would restrict the freedoms that attract conservatives to the Granite State. Yesterday I called on Gov. Hassan and Speaker Norelli to publicly reject this "Democrats Only" agenda and promise to be a voice for all citizens of our state.

This is a the prefect example of why we must return Republican leadership to Concord. If I am selected to serve as Chairman of the NHGOP, I promise I will engage the liberal Democrats and articulate the Republican message of limited government and individual freedom every day.

I have been humbled by the support shown to me throughout this campaign, and it is an honor to share with you today the endorsement of a very well-respected Republican leader from Sullivan County, former State Representative Steve Cunningham
 

Great point. Ron Paul spoke at the 2007 and 2008 Liberty Forums. He had FSPers as volunteers, youth volunteers, on his NH staff and at least 1 FSPer on his national staff. Ron Paul endorsed the FSP in 2007 and again in 2012. http://freestateproject.org/about/endorsements#ron_paul

Gary Johnson endorsed the FSP. Bob Barr endorsed the FSP. Michael Badnarik endorsed the FSP. Aaron Russo endorsed the FSP. Walter Williams was partly the inspiration for the FSP. He not only endorsed the FSP but spoke positively about it several times on the Rush radio program. The RLC endorsed the FSP. 13 state LPs endorsed the FSP. The list goes on.

19 of us have been elected as state reps in NH. A governor joined us. A US Senator spoke at our event (the same event the publisher of the largest paper in the state and Ron Paul spoke at). The NH Senate Majority Leader spoke positively of the FSP. The former NH Speaker of the House spoke very positively of us and endorsed FSPers that were candidates for office. The likely future Chair of the NHGOP spoke positively of us. The NHGOP Committee Woman has worked well with several of us. The popular mayor of the largest city in NH endorsed 1 of us running for office. The lead of the Manchester Democratic Party has spoken positively of more than 1 FSPer.
 
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World Net Daily covered this.


THE LIBERAL MIND
New Hampshire's leftist psychopath
Exclusive: Mychal Massie exposes legislator targeting Free Staters hoping to move there
Published: 23 hours ago
http://www.wnd.com/2013/01/new-hampshires-leftist-psychopath/
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Lyle H. Rossiter Jr., M.D., authored a book titled “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” The book is a treatise pursuant to “modern liberalism’s irrationality being the product of psychopathology: a massive transference neurosis acted out in the world’s political arenas, with devastating effects on the institutions of liberty.”

Dr. Rossiter writes: “So extravagant are the patterns of thinking, emoting, behaving and relating that characterize the liberal mind that its relentless protests and demands become understandable only as disorders of the psyche.”

He further notes, “This makes complete sense and explains the liberal thinking and behavior that defies any other explanation.”

In support of Dr. Rossiter’s aforementioned observations, I submit the liberal Democratic state Rep. Cynthia Chase from the 3rd District in New Hampshire. A more complete representation of that which he postulates would be difficult to find.

Chase, who has taken great pains to masculinize her appearance, exhibits the very psychopathology that, as Dr. Rossiter observes, leads to the irrationality liberals exhibit. In December she opined that: “In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat [New Hampshire] is facing today. There is, legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal. In this country you can move anywhere you choose, and they have that same right. What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.” (“New Hampshire Legislator: We Need To ‘Restrict Freedoms’ of Conservatives,” Warner Todd Huston, Jan. 3, 2013)

Free Staters is the assignation given to the people of the “Free State Project.” The intent of the project was and is to have conservative Americans migrate to New Hampshire and, ultimately, through strength of numbers, run for office and move the state toward conservatism and libertarianism.

Liberals like Chase see nothing wrong with their condemnable ideologies. But you can bet all the gold in Fort Knox that Chase would be frothing from her nose if a housing development decided that the best way to keep homosexuals from moving in would be to make them feel as unwanted and unwelcome as possible.

She and those like her would be incensed if they were to find out that although the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prevents housing discrimination based on race and/or gender – the community can very quietly legislate in ways that create unfriendly environs.

If it were whispered that such comments were made in reference to blacks, Hispanics, illegal aliens, women, homosexuals, cross-dressers, pedophiles, or one of the other protected groups, the media would launch into a spasmodic apoplexy of breathless round-the-clock reporting. But, as expected, in this case there is a cacophony of silence from the media.

My personal observation regarding the media silence surrounding Chase’s desire to restrict the freedoms of conservatives, and to create an environment that is unwelcoming to them, is that it doesn’t matter – because as everyone knows (sarcasm intended) conservatives are just a bunch of old white men whose goal it is to oppress minorities and women. Conservatives are just old white men who use the Constitution as a club of enforcement for a mandamus from their idea of God.

Conservatives, especially those like tea-party members, are branded as racist, xenophobic homophobes who are anti the liberal’s definition of modernity.

Not that we needed more proof. It is not conservatives who are intolerant – it is liberals who are among the most hateful, intolerant, rapacious, discordant persons there are. And for those who are not given over to political correctness, evidence of what Dr. Rossiter rightly observed is pandemic.
 
Meh, thus has been every page of human history, since the first cave dweller decided to move to more fertile hunting grounds.

What a conspiracy, "We're gonna take over...and leave you be."



Sure it is. Anytime a political/social/religious movement decides to mob up & mass migrate to a State with an explicit goal of overturning the political order of the native population THAT is an attack. It was an attack when the progs ruined Vermont 100 years ago as part of a deliberate scheme to establish their prog utopia. It was an attack in the 1850's when John Brown and other Yankee terrorist fanatics tried to take over the Kansas territory. That one ended in bloody violence- a percursor to the States War. The Mormons tried twice (Missouri & Illinois) to use mass migration to impose their social/religious order on an unwilling local population. Each attempt ended in bloody war and thankfully defeat of the invades. Finally the mormons at least had the good sense after it was beaten into them to try their utopian ideas in an empty land- the basin of the Great Salt Lake. Third time was a charm. They got their utopia. I suggest the Free Staters do the same- settle an empty or at least unused tract of land. Acquire it by purchase if necessary. Build your society there- NOT in the backyards of folks who have no use for your 'ideal' social order.
 
NetRightDaily covered this.

08.01.2013 in Politics by Robert Romano
Ideological divide crosses into political hatred in New Hampshire
http://netrightdaily.com/2013/01/ideological-divide-crosses-into-political-hatred-in-new-hampshire/

By Robert Romano — Yet another indication that our political culture has become so poisoned that the nation is no longer dealing with mere civil disagreement, but pure hatred.

A New Hampshire Democrat lawmaker writes on her blog she would support legislation to keep conservatives and libertarians out her state, or to drive them away.

“What we can do is to make the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave. One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here,” wrote Rep. Cynthia Chase, a member of the state’s House of Representatives, on Dec. 21 at progressive site BlueHampshire.com.

Chase’s post came in response to the so-called Free State Project, an activist network that seeks to “recruit 20,000 liberty-loving people to move to New Hampshire” in order to “live in strong communities where your rights are respected, and people exercise responsibility for themselves and in their dealings with each other.”

Specifically, the group wants “reductions in burdensome taxation and regulation, reforms in state and local law, an end to federal mandates, and a restoration of constitutional federalism, demonstrating the benefits of liberty to the rest of the nation and to the world.”

Not having any of that, Chase stated, “Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.” Pretty harsh.

New Hampshire blogger Steve MacDonald writes that Chase “thinks we should use legislative authority to restrict [people’s] freedoms and drive them away. Sounds more like tyranny than civility.”

Breitbart.com reporter Warner Todd Huston agreed, adding, “here we have a legislator that doesn’t just want to pass laws that are tangentially restrictive. She wants to purposefully use her powers to write laws to target individuals with whom she disagrees, take away their freedoms and liberties, and all in the hopes that the citizens she is oppressing might move away from her state.”

What if a Republican state lawmaker had suggested something similar? One imagines it instantly becoming national headline news in the mainstream media, with the GOP instantly likened to fascists not only seeking the squelch dissent — but to apparently make legal persecution so pervasive that dissenters would self-deport themselves.

Instead, as far as media coverage goes, except for some prominent conservative bloggers, and a mention on the Rush Limbaugh national radio program, so far the story has been largely ignored.

But the point is not merely that there is a media double standard, which is obvious and disconcerting enough. Really, it appears indicative of a wider trend, which is that conservatives and libertarians are not merely disagreed with by the left and left-leaning elected officials.

It is that those who espouse limited government and free market reforms are actually hated and despised for their political beliefs.

And, so accustomed to that hatred was one lawmaker that she saw nothing wrong with entertaining publicly the thought of using the law to persecute people who share those beliefs.

As an isolated incident, one might be able to write off Chase’s comments as a kooky lawmaker not to be taken seriously.

But they come at a time when the liberal Boston Globe endorsed Republican John Boehner to be House Speaker to “keep Tea Party extremists out of key committee assignments.” Why? Because of their support for cutting spending and other “extreme” measures like making tax relief permanent not for some, but for all Americans.

They come at a time when calls for gun bans and other restrictions, forbidden by the same Second Amendment that conservatives and libertarians seek to defend, are taken as the only acceptable starting points in all discussions on the Sandy Hook Massacre in Newtown, Conn.

They come at a time when, based on a cursory reading of some of the absurd reactions on social media sites like Facebook to former senatorial candidate Rep. Todd Akin’s inane comments on rape and abortion, one might have concluded that the country via some imminent legislation was somehow on the verge of back alley abortions and the disenfranchisement of women.

Or when Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker was likened to Adolf Hitler because of his proposals to restrict collective bargaining by public sector unions — a process that is in fact bankrupting states like California and Illinois here and assisted in Greece’s collapse overseas. Unions even stormed the Wisconsin Capitol to express their displeasure when the legislation passed, prompting Republican lawmakers to leave the building under police protection for fears to their safety.

In this wider context, it is hard to escape the conclusion that were Chase’s call to use the law against conservatives and libertarians simply because of their political beliefs proposed by a more prominent elected official, it might actually find widespread public support. Just saying.

As some political analysts suggest the country’s political demography is indeed headed leftward, is this sort of treatment what conservatives and libertarians should expect in the future from liberal and leftist administrations at the federal, state, and local level?

Maybe conservatives and libertarians really do need a Free State.

Robert Romano is the Senior Editor of Americans for Limited Government.
 
For those in New Hampshire, I'm trying to get on 96.7 The Wave... so... support a fellow libertarian in radio and let them know you want me... :( if you know who I am. I'd love to live in free state project land.
 
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