Free Staters Not Welcome in New Hampshire

Shem's own dismissive post proves my point even further, as this is exactly the type of attitude I'm talking about. His insinuation is that because I can't afford to attend a bunch of paid events, I don't know what I'm talking about and therefore must not be a real activist. Apparently it is impossible to be a real libertarian activist unless one has money to throw around on attending "events". And forget the fact that I live here, my own personal observations and interactions with others obviously must not count for anything.

I thought about your previous post when I saw this:
If you want to see her, Tom Woods and Shem, they will all be at Liberty Forum. It is only $99 for 4 days and free for those under 18. Ron Paul's Freaking Giant runs the event.

The 2013 Liberty Forum
February 21–24, 2013 in the Crowne Plaza Hotel, Nashua, NH
http://freestateproject.org/libertyforum

Are the paid for events more common than free ones?
 
Not sure if she just wants to violate the NH Constitution and her oath of office or if she wants to do the #1 thing free staters don't like. In Keene, the Democrats and free staters have the same #1 complaint. It is high property tax rates in Keene. As a state rep, she has the power to vote to reduce local property taxes in the county Keene is located in. There is a big disconnect though. The Democratic voters of The city of Keene complain about the high property tax rates. However, the elected reps in Keene, almost always Democratic, almost always vote to increase property tax rates. So she would likely do what she could to piss off free staters anyway.

People are idiots.

We have our fair share as well.

It would not surprise me at all to find out that these people are holding out for an income tax to be passed, thinking, like fools, that will lower their property taxes.

When all you need to do is look at surrounding states and see that income taxes and high property taxes are the norm.

My property taxes in Maine were higher than NH, in addition to paying income taxes and $1000 plus to register my vehicles.
 
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I thought about your previous post when I saw this:


Are the paid for events more common than free ones?

There are 100s of free liberty events every year in NH. All of the big, multi day conferences I know of cost money. About this event, Ron Paul's Freaking Giant said prices will go up next week.
 
Front page of the UL this morning:


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More GraniteGrok coverage.


Cynthia Chase Moved Here From Rhode Island – Recently
by STEVE MACDONALD
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/01/cynthia-chase-moved-her-from-rhode-island-recently

New Hampshire Democrat Cynthia Chase (Cheshire Dist 8) is getting a lot of press. Her comments have gone viral. While I’m happy to have played my small part, the benefits go a lot further; people are searching the original story, landing on FreeKeene, Reason.com, coming across Dr. Tom Woods original report, even cruising over to GraniteGrok where the Breitbart story was sourced, which ended up on Rush Limbaugh.

And they are discovering that the same woman who views Free Staters moving to New Hampshire as a threat is herself a self-admitted, pro-Alinsky, progressive transplant from Rhode Island. (Makes for a great followup doesn’t it?)

A fan of the radical Saul Alinsky here to ruin the New Hampshire Advantage no doubt. And the kicker? She admits she has only lived here since 2006.


She does point out that she lived in North Swanzey in the early seventies, which would have made her her 29 (ish) at the time. So where did she hail from before that? We are left to wonder but it was clearly not New Hampshire or she’d have included that in her Bio.

More hypocrisy from hypocrats. Sweet!

I think it appropriate to point out that 1) I am not from here either– I moved her in 1990, a refugee from the oppressive yoke of New York State and 2) she was essentially part of the progressive surge that came her over the preceding decade, some even pretending to be Republicans, intent on making New Hampshire more like Massachusetts, or is that Rhode Island? And Chase was not here all that long before she ran for public office. It’s almost as if she planned it that way. To penetrate the institutions and corrupt them from inside. To force her worldview on the rest of us. Very “Alinsky” Ms. Chase. Did Kathy Sullivan offer you a signing bonus?

I find this all very amusing. And it keeps getting funnier.

Well, I’d like to welcome you to New Hampshire Ms. Chase, where politics is a full contact sport with no half-time and no intermissions. I hope you are enjoying your brush with ‘celebrity.’ If you were a Republican you’d already have been run out of office for making bigoted, xenophobic remarks tinged with police state like tyranny, but since you are a Democrat you will be called a victim of some vas Right Wing Conspiracy and probably get a parade.
 
NHInsider, the #2 conservative blog in New Hampshire finally covered this news.


New Hampshire House Democrat Respect & Civility Alert!
FRIDAY, JANUARY 4, 2013 AT 08:35AM
http://www.nhinsider.com/steve-mac-...re-house-democrat-respect-civility-alert.html


New Hampshire Democrats ran on respect and civility. And we knew it for the fraud it was but people still fell for it.

Part and parcel to the fraud was Speaker Norelli claiming to shake up the seating arrangements in the House to help build respect and civility, bi-partisanship, working together...I figured it was so the Democrat majority could intimidate the minority members. Another rep I spoke with suggested that this seating plan would make it easier for the Speaker to call close voice votes however she felt like calling them.

I can't speak to the latter but the harassment by Democrats has already begun.

Today's Respect and Civility Award goes to David P. Miller D- Rochester.

He's made it his mission to harass a Republican rep who sits near him because he disagrees with them on the right to carry a concealed weapon. Word has it that he was not at all respectful or civil after she spoke against amending a rule to ban firearms on the House floor and in the gallery. Witnesses report that he was rude and persistent. And it has been reported to me that he intends to harass this Republican Rep every day on this issue.

It's always nice to have something to look forward to, isn't it?

Mr. Miller has no social media footprint so there is very little on-line to cull. He is not a young man either. In fact if he were a Republican Democrat Kevin Hodges would refer to him as a stingy old person who was stupid, and perhaps threaten him with a bat. But Miller is a Democrat so he has nothing to fear from Mr. Hodges, or Maggie Hassan, or this loser, or any other Democrat. Although someone probably should have told him to read the rehrotic published under his photo on the Rochester Democrat Committee Web Site.

The Democratic delegation will work for affordable, quality education for all New Hampshire citizens at all levels, from elementary through high school and beyond. They will protect the New Hampshire environment and quality of life, not just for our own health and well-being but also for the economic benefits they afford our citizens and our many visitors. They will work to achieve these goals, and many others, by working together in an atmosphere of mutual respect and civility. [link]

Just after Christmas Democrat Rep Cynthia Chase made it clear that the New Hampshire Democrat House majority should intentionally legislate away rights or freedoms to protect the left's poltical advantage. Now we've got a Rochester, New Hampshire Democrat who has promised the daily harrassment of a member of the minority party who has been forced to sit near him.

The New Democrat Respect and Civility. It's just like the old version.



Mr. Millers House Contact Info:

Strafford- District 23
Seat #:4058
New

Home Address:
7 Harding St
Rochester, NH 03867-3722
Phone: (603)332-0925
Email: [email protected]
 
Ya really can't fault an existing population for being adverse to a gang of outsiders immigrating with the express intention of taking over and altering the Society.
 
Ya really can't fault an existing population for being adverse to a gang of outsiders immigrating with the express intention of taking over and altering the Society.

I agree. I think that is partly why people are reacting the way they are to Ms. Chase. Ms. Chase knew about the FSP before she decided to move to NH. She is trying to takeover NZh and destroy what the state is by force. So, her horrible comments went viral.
 
The top conservative blog covered this again today. It is kinda hard to follow without the correct formatting so I recommend you just click on the link and read it there.


Whatsa matta John DiStaso, don’t like the ‘Grok much?
by SKIP
http://granitegrok.com/blog/2013/01/whatsa-matta-john-distaso-dont-like-the-grok-much

“As New Hampshirite Steve MacDonald notes, “this sounds like tyranny.”

Given that Rush Limbaugh brought up NH Democrat House Rep Cynthia Chase’s name (AND STEVE MAC DONALDS!!) this past Friday, it was expected that the local NH media would be FORCED to also give a few column inches as well. And DiStaso of the UL does so (reformatted and emphasis mine) – reluctantly. But guess who he left out?

FRIDAY, JAN. 4: GOING VIRAL. A Democratic state lawmaker’s recent web post critical of the libertarian-leaning Free State Project has gone virtually viral in the past few days and, as one might expect, has drawn criticism. Reacting to reports that the Free State Project is aggressively trying to bring 20,000 supporters to live in the state over the next two years, Rep. Cynthia Chase, D-Keene, wrote on BlueHampshire.com: “In the opinion of this Democrat, Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.”

She went on to write that while there is “legally, nothing we can do to prevent them from moving here to take over the state, which is their openly stated goal,” she proposed making “the environment here so unwelcoming that some will choose not to come, and some may actually leave.”

Chase continued, “One way is to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.”

…The post this week was picked up by the Breitbart.com website, the creation of the late conservative commentator Andrew Breitbart, with columnist Warner Todd Huston opining:

Warner – a long time Samsphere blogger buddy of mine – got the story from GraniteGrok which he reads often as we are the leading Conservative / Libertarian leaning blogsite in NH. He and I think a lot of like, and he likes what we do, commenting on local politics. Anyway, see these next lines from DiStaso’s post quoting Warner’s?


“Imagine if a legislator had written a blog post targeting the freedoms of gays, or women, or some other minority? One would think that the media would go wild with such a story.

“But here we have an elected official suggesting that government be used in the United States of America to eliminate freedoms for certain citizens in order to gain political control, and the media is silent.”

DiStaso just couldn’t bring himself to include Warner’s line PREVIOUS to those, could he? Which was this:

As New Hampshirite Steve MacDonald notes, “this sounds like tyranny.“

Now the question is, having dissed Steve for not crediting the actual post that set things in motion, will DiStaso (or Landrigan, who is not enamored of GraniteGrok either) talk about that while Chase berates the Free State Project members from coming here, that she is a transplant herself (“Cynthia Chase Moved Here From Rhode Island – Recently“)? Can he even do that little amount of journalism? Will he (or the UL) talk about her hypocrisy?

Or DiStaso’s for not properly crediting the actual source that has “gone viral” – Steve?

At least DiStaso included this:

Locally, state Rep. Mark Warden, R-Manchester, a Free State leader, said, the Chase post was “inappropriate, of course, and a bit chauvinistic for anyone to say they don’t want people moving to New Hampshire. If you replaced her reference to us with ‘Irish’ or ‘Indian’ or ‘women’ or ‘gay people,’ she would be in every newspaper in the country as one of the biggest bigots around.

“But it’s OK for them to bad-mouth people moving here because they believe in more liberty or smaller government,” said Warden, who, as a real estate agent, is helping Free Staters relocate to the state.

Sidenote: The Progressives ARE bigots and haters of those that diss their religion – that of Big Government. Compared to Conservatives, Progressives are much more secular and unchurched according to most surveys. Humans are almost hard-wired to believe in something, and given their utter defense of Big Government programs and spending (which rivals that of Islamists in punishing “infidels” who diss their beliefs), it is easy to see what theirs is.

I thought that the following was REALLY amusing:

Democratic National Committeewoman Kathy Sullivan said that while she could not speak for Chase, the lawmaker is entitled to her opinion, “just as the Free Staters are entitled to their opinions.”

Sullivan said Free Staters have a variety of opinions on various topics, but must “contend with” opinions sometimes expressed by leaders in favor of secession, even though not all Free Staters support secession.

Sullivan said that if Free Staters run for office they should “disclose that they are part of that organized effort,” but she said she disagrees with the idea of trying to keep anyone from moving into the state.

How about this – will you require, Ms. Sullivan, that anyone who belongs to the Democrat Socialists of America declare that affiliation as well? International Workers Party (or similarly named groups)? The Progressive Caucus?

After all, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, and we ALL know that there are plenty of folks with those associations that lurk within the Democrat Party of NH. After all, we know them by their actions, if not by their words.

Oh, by the way, Kathy?

She said she was not surprised Limbaugh picked up on the matter, but added, “Maybe everyone on either side needs to calm down and talk to each other.”

Let’s have that debate, shall we? You want to talk – let’s do it. Offer is now official – we can talk here on GraniteGrok. Or, if you feel better about being on a home turf, set up your posts on Blue Hampshire – and we will respond.

You want to talk – I look forward to it. I really do hope that was not just a throwaway line.
 
http://freekeene.com/ covered this story 3 additional times recently. It was also covered by Prison Planet. Though, the Prison Planet coverage was lame.

New Hampshire Representative Says Free State Libertarians Not Welcome
Tom Woods
Alt Market
Jan 7, 2013
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-ham...says-free-state-libertarians-not-welcome.html
The following video was produced by Tom Woods

An interesting video by Tom Woods on the insanity of anti-libertarian New Hampshire representative Cynthia Chase and her personal crusade against the NH Free State Project. Chase admonishes the project for “trying to steal our state and our way of life”. My question to Cynthia Chase would be; What exactly do you mean by “our way of life”? Who’s way of life? What part of New Hampshire do you claim to speak for? What part of New Hampshire’s “way of life” is being threatened by libertarians and constitutionalists? Is NH not the “Live Free Or Die State”? And, Cynthia, what is it about freedom loving people that you hate so much?

Truly, her words exemplify the attitude of the common socialist/statist. Killing the constitutional values of a particular state in order to drive away those who would seek to enjoy freedom, and thus maintain control of the existing constituency? Welcome to the progressivist ideal of American life!

Brandon Smith, Founder of Alt-Market.com

The more interesting of the Free Keene blog posts was written by former Libertarian Party activist, for Ron Paul endorsing NH State Rep and Occupy movement activist Seth Cohn. As with many blog posts, there is a lot of formatting and it doesn't translate well when copying and pasting text. I recommend clicking on the link before to see the intended formatting.

The Hypocrisy of Kathy Sullivan, NH Democratic Committeewoman
January 4, 2013 by SethCohn
http://freekeene.com/2013/01/04/hypocrisy-kathy-sullivan/

More in the ongoing saga of Rep. Cynthia Chase‘s bold faced “honesty” about her willingness to use passing new laws to limit existing freedoms just to push out certain people and/or make sure they won’t come to New Hampshire in the first place…

Today’s Union Leader coverage includes these choice words from Kathy Sullivan, the current national New Hampshire Democratic Committeewoman:

Democratic National Committeewoman Kathy Sullivan said that while she could not speak for Chase, the lawmaker is entitled to her opinion, “just as the Free Staters are entitled to their opinions.”

Sullivan said Free Staters have a variety of opinions on various topics, but must “contend with” opinions sometimes expressed by leaders in favor of secession, even though not all Free Staters support secession.

Sullivan said that if Free Staters run for office they should “disclose that they are part of that organized effort,” but she said she disagrees with the idea of trying to keep anyone from moving into the state.

“Would I prefer that more people of my political persuasion, who support strong public education, for instance, move into the state? Yes, but that’s not what our democracy is,” Sullivan said. “Walls don’t work.”

She said she was not surprised Limbaugh picked up on the matter, but added, “Maybe everyone on either side needs to calm down and talk to each other.”

Hmm, sounds like Kathy isn’t calling for Rep. Chase’s head… but you know she would be, if a Republican had said “Hey, let’s limit the freedoms that progressives value (or blacks, gays, unions, women, or really insert any group here), so they won’t be welcome here in NH.”

Hmm, who said this, Kathy?

‘If you’ve got people saying we just want to mind our own business, keep government out of our lives, hey, we all feel that way. But if they want to have a radical change in our form of government, no, you’re not welcome here.”

Oh right: Kathy Sullivan, then NH Democrat Chairwoman, in 2003, nearly 10 years ago.
That sound you are hearing: the hypocrite alarm going off…

Kathy Sullivan is a Manchester attorney and a member of the Democratic National Committee. She was chairman of the NH Democratic Party from 1999-2007… and she says wants us all to sit down and calmly talk now. Well, let’s see:

“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.” – Mahatma Gandhi

Does that mean we’ve won?
 
Another post on Free Keene.

State Rep. Cynthia Chase has made national news for her statements that “Free Staters” are the biggest threat to the state and thet she wished to restrict their freedoms in an attempt to make FSP participants leave New Hampshire.

A Petition for Redress of Grievances has begun circulating on the internet and requests that Rep. Chase be censured and/or impeached. The Petition at Change.org reads:

Whereas State Representative Cynthia Chase has stated, she wants “to pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that [Free Staters] think they will find here,” and
Whereas this shows her intent to enact laws to interfere with protected rights, and
Whereas her intent is to harm a specific group of people, and
Whereas her statements are in violation of the “Equal Protection Clause” of the 14th Amendment to the Constitution of these United States of America;

I will not be signing it. I feel that yes, Cynthia Chase is not qualified to serve. Yes, she should resign. Nevertheless, she was elected and reelected. I'm not going to take up the mantle of decide NH government decisions. However, I do understand the point behind the petition and don't disagree with it happening.

EDIT: updated with correct link SIGN IT HERE IF YOU WANT: https://www.change.org/petitions/nh-state-house-censure-and-or-impeach-cynthia-chase
 
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I agree.

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No you don't. Lets be blunt- The Free State Project is plain and simple an attack on the people of NH by those who wish to make NH into a 'libertarian utopia' at the expense of those born and raised there. Ya wanna build utopia do it on an empty land where you aren't attempting to dispossess others. The back country of Brazil, Paraguay, Australia might be good places.
 
No you don't. Lets be blunt- The Free State Project is plain and simple an attack on the people of NH by those who wish to make NH into a 'libertarian utopia' at the expense of those born and raised there. Ya wanna build utopia do it on an empty land where you aren't attempting to dispossess others. The back country of Brazil, Paraguay, Australia might be good places.

Umm, are you retarded or something? I'm from the area, around 40% of the people currently residing in New Hampshire weren't born there. They move in later in life. It's funny that libtards like you will protest "RASHISSM" when those in the southwest try to deport hoards of illegal filth that come up from the southern border, because you are fine with things like gentrification and displacing native populations when the new populace votes (D). But now that these new movers into New Hampshire are voting for Conservatives & Libertarians you are throwing a hissy fit on a public forum and making yourself look like a fool.
 
No you don't. Lets be blunt- The Free State Project is plain and simple an attack on the people of NH by those who wish to make NH into a 'libertarian utopia' at the expense of those born and raised there. Ya wanna build utopia do it on an empty land where you aren't attempting to dispossess others. The back country of Brazil, Paraguay, Australia might be good places.

The FSP isn't an attack on anyone. 2/3s of adults in NH aren't from NH. If you were actually born and raised in NH, that's awesome. You are 1 of a few 100,000 people in the entire world of 7 or so billion people. Thanks for sticking around in NH. I know a lot of socialist and communist types such as Cynthia Chase have moved to NH from other places and are actively working to destroy the NH way of life. Don't worry, myself and other free staters are defending your way of life. We are helping you keep NH, NH and actually trying to restore some of the rest injustices committed by the socialist and communist types. I'm sorry that those types have done so much damage to NH since 2000 or so but there is hope. There is hope for a restored NH. A NH and grew up in and loved. Together, we will make a difference.

I am not sure why you are so confused about this but you are more than welcome to PM me.
 
Nice. The Republican RINO establishment finally came out of the closet and blamed the 2012 election results in NH on the Free State Project. The editorial was written by someone with my elementary understanding on English, that's why there are so many grammar errors. The author doesn't even understand the political party system in NH. Then again, I wouldn't expect anything more from an uninformed RINO establishment type that doesn't know how to win elections.

If anything, FSPers helped decent Republicans and Democrats win in 2012 in NH. On the other hand, Mitt ran a poor campaign in NH and Ovide ran a terrible campaign. Let's face it, the Democrats outspent the Republicans in NH by 2-1. Unless the establishment Republicans decide to invest money in even decently planned campaigns in NH elections, they are going to continue having problems.

I'd like to point out that NOT all establishment Republicans in NH are so completely clueless as to why the Republicans lost many of the elections in NH in 2012. Even the candidate for GOP Vice Chair was able to figure it out. Here is part of his message to the NH Republican State Committee or why the NH GOP failed in the 2012 election.

As we look back at 2012 there is much we need to be thankful for. Our performance in the State and National elections are not among them. We must consider why we lost so many seats in the State House, State Senate, the Executive Council, and the Governor’s race. The opposition defined our candidates across the ticket. They said our candidates would take women’s rights away, eliminate Medicare from our Senior Citizens as well as Social Security, overturn Roe vs. Wade, and work against families and the middle class. We were sluggish in denying these accusations in a visible and timely manner. The smearing had been seared on the public’s mind by the time our best refutations and denials were made public.
JP Marzullo didn't list all of the reasons, but he is correct. There were radio ads saying Republicans would end abortion in NH. There were radio ads saying Republicans would lower the minimum wage in NH. Obviously these are insane lies. However, they happened for weeks and as far as I could tell, went unanswered. Mitt Romney lost his last 3 elections. Ovide lost his last 4 elections. These candidates and their campaigns were clueless when it came to winning. They let Obama and Maggie define them and never bothered to correct the narrative.

Fosters is the only Republican establishment paper of any size in NH. It is usually wrong on the issues be it medical marijuana or economic issues.

Co-opting our way of life
Tuesday, January 8, 2013
http://www.fosters.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130108/GJOPINION_01/130109503/-1/FOSOPINION

“What I propose is a Free State Project, in which freedom-minded people of all stripes … establish residence in a small state and take over the state government,”
-- Jason Sorens, Founder,

Free State Movement

With these words, written in 2001, Jason Sorens announced his intention to politically invade New Hampshire by encouraging as many as 20,000 of the like-minded to come here.

Even though Sorens has since disavowed his desire to “take over the state government” his words have repeatedly come back to haunt him and his followers — as they should.

Last week, State Rep. Cynthia Chase, D-Cheshire Dist. 8, called Free Staters the “single biggest threat the state is facing today” while inviting them to pack their bags and leave. She went on to write that one way to force them out would be for the Legislature to “pass measures that will restrict the ‘freedoms’ that they think they will find here. Another is to shine the bright light of publicity on who they are and why they are coming.”

Clearly, Chase chose some inopportune words in calling for anyone’s freedoms to be restricted, but the rest of her comments (http://tinyurl.com/Leave-NH) aptly reflect what many Granite Staters have been quietly saying for more than a decade.

Granite Staters — -left, right and center — value their independence. They instinctively resent the notion that anyone should or could turn New Hampshire into a one-party dynasty like Massachusetts. In refusing one party rule, New Hampshire has thrived on the political push and pull which has held sway for decades — near or at the top in education, public safety, health, and quality of life.

Do we have problems? Sure. Has the Legislature gone overboard at times — both to the left and to right? Absolutely. But that is democracy. Unfortunately, the Free State Movement came to New Hampshire with the stated intent of taking over our way of life — a way of life the vast majority of us believe is pretty darn good.

And even though Sorens made his intentions clear from the get-go, the Free State Movement has gone about its work in a surreptitious manner.

Free Staters are more libertarian then they are conservative or Republican. Yet, their chosen road to Concord and legislative chambers has been through the Republican Party, not the existing Libertarian movement. This allowed Free Staters to often run for office without have to clearly state their Sorens-ian intentions of political domination. It also wrongly has brought brand-named conservatives to their defense.

As Chase’s comments went viral last week, she unwittingly drew criticism from the likes of conservative deity Rush Limbaugh and Breitbart.com, rapidly becoming the right-wing’s go-to website. Both came to the defense of the Free State Movement, not understanding the “Et tu, Brute” nature of the organization which stabbed true Granite State conservatives and Republicans in the back on Nov. 6.

Whether voters send the Free State Movement packing is yet to be seen. And we doubt there is much if any legislative substance to Chase’s threat. But we do urge the state Republican Party to take a long, hard look at distinguishing itself and its conservative values from the libertarian ways of the Free Staters even if that leads to a viable third party. At least then we will have a more clear idea of who and what we are voting come Election Day.
 
The FSP isn't an attack on anyone. ...........................


Sure it is. Anytime a political/social/religious movement decides to mob up & mass migrate to a State with an explicit goal of overturning the political order of the native population THAT is an attack. It was an attack when the progs ruined Vermont 100 years ago as part of a deliberate scheme to establish their prog utopia. It was an attack in the 1850's when John Brown and other Yankee terrorist fanatics tried to take over the Kansas territory. That one ended in bloody violence- a percursor to the States War. The Mormons tried twice (Missouri & Illinois) to use mass migration to impose their social/religious order on an unwilling local population. Each attempt ended in bloody war and thankfully defeat of the invades. Finally the mormons at least had the good sense after it was beaten into them to try their utopian ideas in an empty land- the basin of the Great Salt Lake. Third time was a charm. They got their utopia. I suggest the Free Staters do the same- settle an empty or at least unused tract of land. Acquire it by purchase if necessary. Build your society there- NOT in the backyards of folks who have no use for your 'ideal' social order.
 
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