Free Staters Not Welcome in New Hampshire

[Keith and stuff]

So is she going to be double dipping government retirement check and a paycheck currently from NH house?

I like this site for info:

http://www.livefreeordiealliance.org/ElectionCentral/tabid/1290/Default.aspx

Most elected officials don't get paid in NH. The house does pay but only $100 per year plus gas.

 

[cheapseats]

"Ballotpedia" sez Cynthia Chase raised THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS in donations in 2010, and ran UNOPPOSED in the "D" primary in 2012.

 

[TheTexan]

So maybe the town could really use 75 new liberty voters for a total of 287 voters out of a population of 1500. Encouraging 1000 liberty lovers to move to a single low population town would be insane and it isn't even practical.

Good points, but one thing that you're missing is that liberty comes from more than just winning the game of politics.. it comes from your neighbors. For example, I live in an apartment (mistake #1, I know), and last weekend I had the music pretty loud. I am never loud. I've never caused any problems.

What do my neighbors do? Do they knock on my door and ask me to keep it down? No. They call the cops.

My statist fucking neighbors didn't even have the common courtesy to knock on my door and talk to me before calling the authorities. These are the kinds of people we're dealing with. No amount of politics can solve this problem... as long as you have statist neighbors, you will have statist problems.

I notice Grafton is about an hour away from Manchester... does Manchester have IT jobs?

 

[cheapseats]

Most elected officials don't get paid in NH. The house does pay but only $100 per year plus gas.

Unless the scope of the positions is whittled to conspicuously PART-TIME, not paying elected officials fosters "representation"/rule by the Wealthy.

 

[acptulsa]

Unless the scope of the positions is whittled to conspicuously PART-TIME, not paying elected officials fosters "representation"/rule by the Wealthy.

Oligarchy or cronyism--or an ugly combination of both.

Of course, so do elections, particularly in this age of television...

'A fool and his money are soon elected.'--Will Rogers

 

[Keith and stuff]

Good points, but one thing that you're missing is that liberty comes from more than just winning the game of politics.. it comes from your neighbors. For example, I live in an apartment (mistake #1, I know), and last weekend I had the music pretty loud. I am never loud. I've never caused any problems.

What do my neighbors do? Do they knock on my door and ask me to keep it down? No. They call the cops.

My statist fucking neighbors didn't even have the common courtesy to knock on my door and talk to me before calling the authorities. These are the kinds of people we're dealing with. No amount of politics can solve this problem... as long as you have statist neighbors, you will have statist problems.

I notice Grafton is about an hour away from Manchester... does Manchester have IT jobs?

Grafton is closer to 2 hours from Manchester. Manchester has some IT jobs but the greater Boston MSA which Nashua is part of, is likely the 2nd largest tech area in the US. If you are looking to live in Grafton and do tech work, consider telecommuting (it has satilite and dsl) or getting a job where you only have to go to an office in Nashua a couple times a week. Or, look for IT jobs in the Hanover/ Lebanon area or in Concord. All 3 places are around an hour from Grafton.

As for neighbors in Grafton, it is a hilly, forested area. It is 1 of the larger towns in NH in size but has 1 of the lowest populations of the towns in NH. You might have 1 or 2 neighbors. just talk tonthem before you buy. You should consider attending Porcfest. A group from Grafton camp together, give talks about Grafton and promote their week long camping event, which is free and starts when Porcfest ends. Some always come own for Liberty Forum in Nashua, also. Don't take my ord for it, see for yourself.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Unless the scope of the positions is whittled to conspicuously PART-TIME, not paying elected officials fosters "representation"/rule by the Wealthy.

This debate has happened over and over again on this forum. I guess we just disagree. I think politicians should lose money by being elected. That is how it works for almost all elected officials in NH ( there are 1000s). Since the population is so low and there are maybe 4000 elected people at any 1 time, anyone can get elected in NH. Almost everyone involved in politics runs for office a couple times in NH. It is expected of you by your political friends. I've run for office a couple times and I got elected.

As for the NH House, turnover is about 1/3 each election. Even in the NH Senate, I think turnover was about 50% this year. It usually isn't that high, though. Needless to say, NH has the highest turnover in the US. That is great news for us! As for Cynthia, she lives in a solid Democratic district. She isn't that popular but it is tradition for Democrats to not have primaries for NH legislative races. If there is a Democratic primary, it likely means a liberty candidate is also running in the race. You see, neither party is even able to field a candidate for every race. Most people don't want to spent money to volunteer for 20 hours a week. That means that we need to help the parties out by putting up candidates for them The republicans actively recruit free states to run because otherwise, they would have to let the Democrats go unchallenged in a lot of Democratic and swing districts.

 

[muzzled dogg]

Grafton is one hour from manch

 

[cheapseats]

Originally Posted by Keith and stuff
So maybe the town could really use 75 new liberty voters for a total of 287 voters out of a population of 1500. Encouraging 1000 liberty lovers to move to a single low population town would be insane and it isn't even practical.

Insane and impractical for 1000 people to move to a town of 1500 because...WHY? Not enough housing, for one. They'll have to relax restrictions/permitting, no? I mean, people ARE free to move there, yes? Officials can't very well ROUND THEM UP & DEPORT THEM, can they? Something would HAVE to give. Something would HAPPEN.

Think, BOOM TOWN.

I'd feel better about living in a town of 2500 that is struggling with growing pains but in which more than half of the people think substantially like me, than about living in a state of 1,300,000 sprinkled with 20,000 who think like me.

 

[Keith and stuff]

Grafton is one hour from manch

Is that to the isolated part of Grafton near the interstate or the main part on Route 4? The Grafton Pond area is an hour from Manchester if you speed. But hey, in that case, it is only 20 minutes from Lebanon

For people that disagree with on Grafton, that's fine. I know people that have living the life for years that us on this forum just talk about.
http://burningporcupine.org/
https://www.facebook.com/freegrafton

 

[cheapseats]

...I know people that have living the life for years that us on this forum just talk about...

I have encountered people in MANY states who live more freely than people on this Board claim to aspire to live, who spend not one cent nor one minute on electoral politics, and who do not need (or want) an influx of "like-minded" in order to be ABLE to live how they live.

It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE, whether a person/group IS or is NOT playing the electoral politics "game".

 

[Keith and stuff]

I have encountered people in MANY states who live more freely than people on this Board claim to aspire to live, who spend not one cent nor one minute on electoral politics, and who do not need (or want) an influx of "like-minded" in order to be ABLE to live how they live.

It makes a BIG DIFFERENCE, whether a person/group IS or is NOT playing the electoral politics "game".

One of the issues they have in Grafton is some of the liberty people don't vote. For example, a guy lost because of a tie. There was a coin toss and he lost that. Another recent defeat was by 5 votes. In Grafton there are no building codes.

http://forum.freestateproject.org/index.php?topic=23165.msg261261#msg261261
"One (literally) additional voter would have changed the outcome of at least one race in Grafton.

Instead, in accordance with the law, the tie was broken by a coin toss, and the winner of the three-way race was a major Statist who, aside from what she'll do while in office, had publicly promised to leave Grafton and go back home if she lost.

So one vote would have made a substantial difference.

Joe"

 

[Keith and stuff]

Tom Woods writes:...
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Here is the rest of that piece.

By the way, check out my speaking schedule at the top left of this Letter. I'll be in New Hampshire in February for the New Hampshire Liberty Forum. We should invite Rep. Chase to a debate.

This was also covered on Free Keene a couple of times.

Original blog post with 36 comments-
“Free Staters are the single biggest threat the state is facing today.” – State Rep Cynthia Chase
December 25, 2012 by Ian
http://freekeene.com/2012/12/25/fre...tate-is-facing-today-state-rep-cynthia-chase/

District 8 State Representative Cynthia Chase of Keene has made her position clear on liberty-loving activists moving here, and it’s quite the endorsement of the success of the Free State Project. In a post to Blue Hampshire, she reveals that she believes Free Staters are the biggest threat to the state (something to be proud of) and that she and some others on Central Square during the peace vigil attempted to scare away a visiting couple from moving here. (As an aside, what was Ms. Chase doing at the peace vigil? She must be very confused about what peace is. Hint- it doesn’t include using aggressive force on people via “the state”.)

2nd Free Keene blog post -
“You’re not welcome here!” Says the NH State Rep… FROM RHODE ISLAND
December 27, 2012 by Darryl W. Perry
http://freekeene.com/2012/12/27/youre-not-welcome-here-says-the-nh-state-rep-from-rhode-island/

My first reaction was: “holy crap, a State Rep. should not be making these statements publicly.”

I then found out that Cynthia is NOT a NH native, but a transplant herself from Rhode Island and admits to having only “lived in Keene since January 2006.”

I decided to do some research and discovered that many elected Democrats from the area (and at the State level) are not from NH.
Current Governor John Lynch is from Waltham, MA
Governor-elect Maggie Hassan is from Boston
US Senator & former Governor Jeanne Shaheen is originally from Saint Charles, MO and moved to NH from Mississippi
Executive Councilor Colin Van Ostern (district 2) was born in California and moved to NH from DC
Executive Councilor Debora B. Pignatelli (district 5) was born in New Jersey
State Senator Molly Kelly (district 10) was born in Fort Wayne, IN
State Rep. Kris Roberts (Cheshire 4) is from Evanston, WY
State Rep. Larry Robert Philips (Cheshire 5) has “lived in New Hampshire for 32 years” without stating where he moved from
State Rep. Timothy N. Robertson (Cheshire 6) is from Brattleboro, VT, however his family moved to Keene 76 years ago, when little Tim was 4 years old
State Rep. Gladys Johnsen (Cheshire 7) is from San Francisco
State Rep. Chuck Weed (Cheshire 16) is from Evanston, IL
State Rep. Delmar Burridge (Cheshire 16) is originally from Harrisburg, PA

Moral of the story (according Cynthia Chase): transplants to NH are not welcome… unless they intend to bring big government and statism with them!

That means are 7 state reps in Keene are statist who moved to Keene from another state. Did they move here to take over? Did they move to force their big government views on the small government people of NH? In all fairness, around 2/3s of adults in NH aren't originally from NH.

 

[Keith and stuff]

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[cheapseats]

One of the issues they have in Grafton is some of the liberty people don't vote.

That is true not only in Grafton. Trouble is, can you BLAME people for not voting? We can argue whether CHICKEN OR EGG comes first until the cows come home, but the bottom line is that there are good reasons aplenty to NOT REGISTER.

If the exposure and involvement of voting truly seems to portend something better than ANOTHER CAMPAIGN/ELECTION, more Liberty Non Voters may be persuaded to register (and be inundated with CRAP) via PMB. I was also told (by California DMV) that a CROSS-STREET qualifies as an address for homeless people.

For example, a guy lost because of a tie. There was a coin toss and he lost that. Another recent defeat was by 5 votes.

COIN TOSS?? Goes with the GAME motif, I guess.

Leaving 20,000 people and the FIVE YEAR PLAN on a back burner, it sounds like a "mass" migration of, oooh, TWENTY people would tilt that town decisively.

So one vote would have made a substantial difference.

So one Liberty COUPLE would tip the scales?

In Grafton there are no building codes.

By California "standards", that's a big deal...huge.

 

[Pericles]

If the opportunity to move again ever arises the FSP is the only reason NH is on my list of considerations.

Agreed

 

[acptulsa]

I suppose that is one way to keep them out.

Another is to fill the streets with horse manure and taint the water supplies with strichnine, too.

Who voted for this idiot?

 

[AGRP]

She accomplished something no ad agency for the FSP could have done.

 

[S.Shorland]

Free Staters vs Free Haters.The usual matchup.

 

[Keith and stuff]

I suppose that is one way to keep them out.

Another is to fill the streets with horse manure and taint the water supplies with strichnine, too.

Who voted for this idiot?

She ran unopposed in a highly Democratic district.

Edit: My bad.

District No. 8 Keene Ward 5*
Chase, d 1,485 (I think this is her 2nd win in a row, out of 2 tries)
Bendzinski, r 896 (He was elected to the city council several times but the city council is non-partisan is Republicans can actually get elected to that in Keene)
http://sos.nh.gov/2012RepGen.aspx