Free State Wyoming, a free state for Westerners and those who can't move to New Hampshire

[lazerbeem]

How exactly has it been a "disaster"? Dozens of libertarians have been elected to the state legislature where they have not only stopped bad legislation but have actually rolled back government in several important arenas. The FSP has been an enormous success thus far and it is becoming a bigger one every day.

The FSP has been a huge success but there is a huge population of libertarians who won't move there because of its location on the east coast. With wyoming having a small population and the amount of people that want to be part of a project like this I think having another state would be beneficial. As for those of you that don't like Wyoming I think you need to see more of the state, it is easy to be turned off when you have only seen the desolate parts. Monatna is another good choice but the point is to concentrate the population.

 

[Icymudpuppy]

With regards to overwhelming the population of any state with sheer numbers... Wyoming has the smallest population of any state. You would have to get 50,000 libertarians there just to outnumber the Mormons, and they've been there breeding for over a century. Being a religion, they're also a whole lot more coordinated as a social group than libertarians are. I think a better approach to these projects is to pick a place that's nice and that many people with a variety of different job skills and tastes would want to move to regardless of population. Being around a group of like-minded people for networking, moral support and social/cultural activities is more beneficial than the pipe dream of trying to overwhelm the electorate of an entire state. Of the things libertarians as a subculture have got going for them, numbers isn't one of them.

Don't take Romney or huntsman as representative Mormons. In fact, most Mormons I know are quite liberty minded. Especially on economics, homeschooling, self sufficiency, and non -interventionist foreign policy. Ive successfully convinced most Mormons I know to support RP.

 

[Pericles]

Why doesn't someone start a migration movement in a place that people actually want to be in? Washington or Oregon?

One of the issues of modern life is that anyplace that is easy to live in, also will attract a large number of parasites.

 

[Wesker1982]

The FSP has been a huge success but there is a huge population of libertarians who won't move there because of its location on the east coast.

Yep

 

[acptulsa]

It should be Idaho, not Wyoming!

What about Oklahoma? Most of our population are closet libertarians anyway. Shame them just a bit and they remember their ideals. It's not like Washington gives us the time of day anyway.

I personally think the Free State Project will ultimately stretch from Canada to the Gulf, and from the Mississippi to the west face of the Rockies. A better name for it would be the Free Heartland Project.

 

[tangowhiskeykilo]

What about Oklahoma? Most of our population are closet libertarians anyway. Shame them just a bit and they remember their ideals. It's not like Washington gives us the time of day anyway.

I personally think the Free State Project will ultimately stretch from Canada to the Gulf, and from the Mississippi to the west face of the Rockies. A better name for it would be the Free Heartland Project.

anywhere but ok. cops everywhere with not much better to do than harass ppl. Plus too many “christians“.

 

[Seraphim]

This is EXACTLY why it's the perfect place.

Look deeper, my friend.

Only libertarians would think the way to grow an activist movement is to start it in the middle of nowhere. I drove through Wyoming once. It was the most desolate place I've ever seen. Ice and rocks dotted with sheet metal villages and factories belching smoke, and maybe the occasional ranch. That was just the part you can see from the interstate. It made Nebraska look exciting and civilized.

Why doesn't someone start a migration movement in a place that people actually want to be in? Washington or Oregon?

 

[Czolgosz]

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I think a better approach to these projects is to pick a place that's nice and that many people with a variety of different job skills and tastes would want to move to regardless of population. Being around a group of like-minded people for networking, moral support and social/cultural activities is more beneficial than the pipe dream of trying to overwhelm the electorate of an entire state. Of the things libertarians as a subculture have got going for them, numbers isn't one of them.

I agree with your sentiment and would like to see a decent area (sorry, NH/Montana/Wy./Id. sound awful) whereby liberty activists come together (physically) and setup a town which practices life under common law, something like what the Amish do in PA. We would bring together all of our skills (law, farmers, tech, construction, militia, etc. etc.) and enforce our rights in a concentrated fashion. I believe that a successful implementation would spread like wildfire.

I have yet to perform any real analysis on how or if this would work. It would of course come with all the ramifications that a single individual would have to deal with when asserting their Constitutionally protected rights, but as a large group it would be very difficult to fuck with us. (pardon the language)

 

[Keith and stuff]

It should be Idaho, not Wyoming!

First of all I think the choice of New Hampshire was a disaster. It makes no sense to take libertarians out of the west where they are concentrated and move them east where even the conservatives love big government, besides the fact that its a harder move.

I think Idaho makes a lot more sense than Wyoming. I've never been to either but I dream of moving to Idaho and dread the thought of going to Wyoming. Idaho is probably the most libertarian state in the country in terms of concentration, even if it doesn't have the best state laws(it has very good ones relative to most others). Those who I've met that lived there say it is the most beautiful state in the country - towering mountains and glorious forests throughout. It has a very small population, which is why it makes sense over Oregon or Washington.

I think we should be fair to the new guy and let him have his thread promoting Wyoming. BTW, lazerbeem, there is another FSW guy on this forum. If you haven't moved to WY yet, you should consider talking with him before you do.

From what I understand, some of the movers into WY aren't libertarian, but conservative. That isn't a bad thing.
From what I understand, almost none of the movers are actively involved in politics in WY. So if this is about political change, WY should not even be on your list of choices unless you can inspire 100s of people that are completely different (people that are actually about political change) from most of the current movers.

Wyoming is a wonderful state to visit. I spent 5 days or so in the state before the FSP had a vote on which state to select. I went back and visited WY again last summer.