Free Pussy Riot! #freepussyriot

Back to Pussy Riot. These girls are going to appeal and need at least another 30K for their legal defense on top of the 20K they have already raised. Would anyone like to match me on donations to their legal defense fund?

I'd be willing to match 5 - $20 donations...

http://www.causes.com/causes/787323-free-pussy-riot-now-pussy-riot/actions/1671820

Any takers?

-t

ps: oddly the donation widget on www.freepussyriot.org isn't loading - hopefully because of heavy traffic, but I had the PayPal link open - it's: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/w...63663d3faee8da6a0e86558d6153d8812cd76bf2fd83f
 
Lets not derail this thread, perhaps we could start a new one if the topic is of interest, but what is the REAL Orthodox church and why is it any better than any other faction of the religion?

For that matter, what sect of Christianity is the true on? I've been told point blank that If I wasn't a member of THEIR church I was following a false prophet and would burn in hell.

But hay, these disagreements have been going on for a long time and many factions based on the same teachings are competing for market share. If you don't believe in the same imaginary friend that we do - WE WILL FUCKING KILL YOU! Doesn't matter if you are Cristian, Mormon, Amish, Jewish or Muslim. The story is always the same. Well, the Amish are peaceful... Religion is about CONTROL!

Always has been.

-t

With all due respect, Tangent. Now we know that religion is your real axe to grind here. Let me offer that grassroots religion-bashing like what we have here with the Pussies will prove to be bitter fruit in many, many ways. Nor will it lead to better government.
 
Very interesting and thank you for sharing this. For what it is worth, there are many splinter churches in the Balkans that claim to be Orthodox, but have been deemed to be heretic by the real Orthodox Church.

This is just speculation of my part, but I'm going to assume that the political and social chaos in the Balkans have a lot to do with this. To add a rhetorical question, just who is responsible for the trouble in that region?

There is no ONE Orthodox church,there are multiple churches all around the world it was made like this from the start as a response to the centralized Catholic church.

As for who is responsible for the trouble in the region.Well the region is responsible for the trouble of the region.We are in the wrong place and always in the wrong time.
It is the place where the West meets the East so there have always been wars against the Germans,the Italians,The Turks,the nomadic people and of course between the region it self.

Since Rome collapsed there has not been more than a few decades of peace.There has only been war.And trough time it has made people desperate.FFS my people invented the suicide bomber at the beginning of the 20 century from desperation.They would go into poor Turkish neighborhoods disguised as merchants who sell cheep flour and when the poor people would come around to buy they blow them self's up and kill as many as possible.I think we still even hold the record of deaths by terrorist attacks.

This my last response on the subject so not to derail the discussion too much
 
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With all due respect, Tangent. Now we know that religion is your real axe to grind here. Let me offer that grassroots religion-bashing like what we have here with the Pussies will prove to be bitter fruit in many, many ways. Nor will it lead to better government.

NOT AT ALL!

I just get pissed off at people that throw out seemingly open statements that betray their own bias in the wording. The REAL orthodox church...

I like these girls because they clank when they walk. That they are putting their necks on the line to fight tyranny, censorship and repression. I like how they are doing it - admire it even. They are very creative and I like that. I doubt many here would do the same. The only one in our movement I know of, that has that kind of audacity is Adam Kokesh.

-t
 
Yes, the Orthodox Church is decentralized, and that is a good thing. A rogue priest or church is separate from the real church when it becomes heretical.
 
http://rt.com/news/orthodox-church-mercy-pussy-962/

Russian Orthodox Church asks authorities to show mercy on Pussy Riot

Russia’s Orthodox Church has appealed to the country’s authorities to show mercy to the three members of Pussy Riot sentenced to two years in jail for a 'punk prayer' in Moscow’s main cathedral.

*“Casting no doubt on the legitimacy of the court’s decision, we appeal onto the public authorities to show mercy, within the law, on the convicted in the hope they will never repeat such blasphemous actions,” the Russian Orthodox Church's High Council said in a statement.

-t
 
NOT AT ALL!

I just get pissed off at people that throw out seemingly open statements that betray their own bias in the wording. The REAL orthodox church...

Please read my above response to Demigod. You are simply ignorant about the Orthodox Church and you do not have the historical background to understand the verbage. It is ok, most people in the West don't thesedays. But your lack of knowledge is misleading your emotion.

Note: I am not a member of the Orthodox Church
 
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Doesn't it seem odd that the video in the OP is in English, rather than in Russian?
 
So people will protest in multiple cities around the world for an all girl band that gets arrested but they sit there silently over the real threats to liberty, peace and prosperity. What we do we need to do to get people to care? Do we need an all girl band to release a song about gay chicken or something?
 
My god i am not surprised by the anti Russian comments on some mainstream news outlets like CBC and the rest i can clearer see what the NGOs are trying to here.

The Free Pussy Riot dont have the support of the Russian people.
 
By the way, in 2008 they organized a a public group sex session in a biological museum in Moscow, and the leader (the cutest girl :) ) was 9 month pregnant at that time. the act was performed under a big banner that sad "F.ck for Putin". In the interview the girl called it "political art".

I can see a much emphasized "I’m against" message in the biological museum and in the recent church incident. I can see that these acts insulted many people regardless of political affiliation (I have a thick skin, so it's more entertaining for me then insulting), but I don't see any "I’m for” suggestions. And I'm afraid that they, as "occupiers", have no clue about the root cause, and with an opportunity they'll push for another cooler tyrant like idiots in US have done. That’s the problem with opposition in Russia- a lot of Putin is bad and I'm against crying going on, but when you read political platforms of the opposition you can see neo-con fascists, national fascists, liberals, communists, NWO people, anything but liberty and limited government.

So until I see an “I’m for” message, they are cute girls, brave girls, but disturbing people for nothing is kind of pointless.
 
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
--Evelyn Beatrice Hall

How original, Marxists attacking Christianity and the Catholic Church. That's never been done before!

AFAIC, these militant atheists should be free to expose themselves as the intolerant, bigoted, vulgar broads that they are, which they have done in spades. Their theft and trespassing on private property? Not so much.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/118287.html

Western media coverage of the Russian organization known as "Pussy Riot" (PR) has been among the most egregiously distorted in recent memory — in an era where Western media coverage of most everything about Russia is agonizingly superficial and propagandistic. Now that they have been found guilty of hooliganism it is worth stepping back and looking at this group and the media phenomenon surrounding it a bit more clearly.

These young women are uniformly portrayed as an innocent punk rock protest group who have had their freedom of expression shut down by the evil monster Vladimir Putin who just cannot help crushing anyone and anything opposed to his government because he was once in the Russian KGB! It is as simple as that for the Western press. And those creations of the Western media, the various vapid pop stars and other entertainers, who have through history served as useful idiots to push the cause of the day, have all lined up against the KGB monster who wants to silence all dissent and bring back the Soviet Union.

That so much about the infamous incident of February 21, 2012, when this group ascended the altar of Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in central Moscow clad in bright clothing which masked their identities to scream out a poem, remains unreported, unexplored, unconsidered speaks volumes about the Western media abrogation of its historic role in a free society. As it has come to be expected, thanks to the Internet and what the libertarian website the Daily Bell calls the "Internet Reformation," individuals are stepping in where the media/propaganda outlets have failed and providing real information and investigation.

Thanks to an extremely well-researched blog post by "Mercouris" we come to understand much more about the event, the actual charges against the perpetrators, and the background and origins of this strange group of individuals whose philosophy seems to be much more akin to shock for shock's sake and nihilism than any kind political position or attraction to feminism -- though again, in the Western mainstream media they are portrayed as "feminist punk rockers," akin to a movement in the US known as "Riot Grrrls."

In fact the "group" never seems to have recorded or actually written a single song.

They do have some interesting backers in addition to the usual Western entertainers, however. As is well-documented, PR has open connections to the National Endowment for Democracy (surprise). Oksana Chelysheva, listed as the head of the group's support campaign, also happens to have been "Deputy Executive Director" of the Russian-Chechen Friendship Society, a strange pro-extremist outfit which is funded by the National Endowment for Democracy. Chelysheva also has other extensive US government ties through her leadership roles in other NED and George Soros-funded outfits like the Finnish-Russian Civic Forum and the EU-Russia Civil Society Forum.

Does Chelysheva funnel State Department money to the members of Pussy Riot through these front groups? It would not be the first time such support is covertly given to an organization seen as undermining a foreign leader viewed as out of favor with Washington.
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Also seldom reported is what the women actually said while trespassing in the altar area of the church. Falsely reported as a "punk prayer to the Virgin Mary," the poem they recited was in fact grotesquely scatological and objectively disrespectful and blasphemous. It was not a prayer of any sort, and in fact was a kind of a vulgar parody of the beliefs and rituals of believers.
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Some defenders of the group laud the invasion of the church to spew scatological verses as an exercise in "civil disobedience." In fact that may be considered the case if any kind of clear political statement can be discerned from the actual words screamed from the altar, and if one accepts the premise that the Russian Orthodox Church is an arm of the Russian government -- which most would not accept. Indeed there is little relationship between those who resisted the unjust laws in the United States against racial minorities decades ago and those who invade a place of worship to pointedly attack aspects of that worship and the leader of that particular faith. As someone else pointed out, imagine the outrage were a skinhead group to occupy a synagogue in the US. It is certainly a far cry from sitting down at a lunch counter.

While one hesitates to applaud when an individual faces incarceration by the state, it is remarkable how little time is spent considering the rights of the targets of these protests. What about the right to go into a grocery store and not see women placing food items inside their private parts? What about the right to religious activity free of scantily clad women screaming expletives at the Lord, the Virgin Mary, and the local Patriarch? Well sadly those are not much considered by the defenders of these women in the entertainment and media industry because by and large they have long since abandoned any of these sorts of "retrograde" views and beliefs. They are members of the elite who look with scorn on babushka-wearing women who still believe in God and the Church. As from Lenin back to Robespierre back to the original rebel, the old order must be overturned in the name of freedom and progress. In their view, those who resist this inevitable march of history do not deserve to be considered. They do not count.
 
You Gotta be joking me thinkprogress.
Pussy Riot’s Conviction Highlights Russian Human Rights Abuses
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Pussy Riot Found Guilty:
http://www.suntimes.com/news/world/14548226-418/pussy-riot-found-guilty-of-hooliganism.html

Pussy Riot found guilty of hooliganism in stunt against Putin

MOSCOW — A judge found three members of the provocative punk band Pussy Riot guilty of hooliganism on Friday, in a case that has drawn widespread international condemnation as an emblem of Russia’s intolerance of dissent.


The judge said the three band members “committed hooliganism driven by religious hatred” and offended religious believers. The three were arrested in March after a guerrilla performance in Moscow’s main cathedral calling for the Virgin Mary to protect Russia against Vladimir Putin, who was elected to a new term as Russia’s president two weeks later.

Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, 23; Maria Alekhina, 24; and Yekaterina Samutsevich, 29, face a maximum seven years in prison, although the prosecutors asked for a three-year sentence. They stood in a glass cage in the courtroom, sad smiles sometimes flickering on their lips, as the judge read out the testimony of prosecution witnesses accusing them of sacrilege and “devilish dances” in church.

On the street outside, hundreds of Pussy Riot supporters chanted “Russia without Putin!” amid a heavy police presence. Police rounded up a few dozen protesters, including former world chess champion Garry Kasparov, who is a leading opposition activist, and leftist opposition group leader Sergei Udaltsov.

Judge Marina Syrova was still reading a synopsis of the case, but the sentence could be handed down at any time.

Putin himself has said the band members shouldn’t be judged too harshly, perhaps taking note of a wave of global outrage.


Even if the women are sentenced only to the five months already served, the case has already strongly clouded Russia’s esteem overseas and stoked the resentment of opposition partisans who have turned out in a series of massive rallies since last winter.

It also underlines the vast influence of the Russian Orthodox Church. Although church and state are formally separate, the church identifies itself as the heart of Russian national identity and critics say its strength effectively makes it a quasi-state entity. Some Orthodox groups and many believers are urging strong punishment for an action they consider blasphemous.

Celebrities including Paul McCartney, Madonna and Bjork have called for the band members to be freed, and other protests timed to just before the verdict or soon afterward were planned in more than three dozen cities worldwide. In the Russian capital activists put the band’s trademark ski masks, or balaclavas, on several statues across town.

“This is all nonsense,” said Boris Akunin, one of Russia’s best known authors. “I can’t believe that in the 21st century a judge in a secular court is talking about devilish movements. I can’t believe that a government official is quoting medieval church councils.”

Before Friday’s proceedings began, defense lawyer Nikolai Polozov said the women “hope for an acquittal but they are ready to continue to fight.”

The case comes in the wake of several recently passed laws cracking down on opposition, including one that raised the fine for taking part in an unauthorized demonstrations by 150 times to 300,000 rubles (about $9,000).

Another measure requires non-government organizations that both engage in vaguely defined political activity and receive funding from abroad to register as “foreign agents.”
 
By the way, in 2008 they organized a a public group sex session in a biological museum in Moscow, and the leader (the cutest girl :) ) was 9 month pregnant at that time. the act was performed under a big banner that sad "F.ck for Putin". In the interview the girl called it "political art".

Was that after Putin's calls for MORE SEX?

Vladimir Putin's Plan To Curb Russia's Demographic Problem? More Sex
Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com...opulation-decline-putin-mothers#ixzz23pVuJWFk

http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/mcfeatters-putin-s-prescription-more-sex-1.3526272

(short term memory can be quite debilitating)
 
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