Free and Open Challenge to Atheists

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I challenge any atheist to give me even one logical atheistic argument or logical reason for being an atheist.

I've seen lots of atheistic arguments and have never seen even one logical argument from atheists. I declare that there is no such thing as a logical atheistic argument.

Everything is free and open, as soon as you provide your argument I'll just explain how it's illogical.

There is no logical reason to be an atheist.
 
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Well this whole challenge you have presented is illogical since it starts with the assumption of theism, then ask people who do not believe to refute it. The burden of proof is on the theist, the one making the claim, not the atheist. The atheist position is not making the outrageous claim.

So I guess you can say my argument is that I refute your assumption of a deity.
 
I was never raised with a religion, so to me, Christianity sounds just as ridiculous as the thousands of other creation stories out there, any of which could be mutually exclusive. If only one religion existed vs atheism, that would be a different story. But there are different creation stories for every single culture on earth. What makes Christianity different than the rest, besides the fact that you were raised a Christian?
 
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Well, being that everyone is born an atheist, why don't YOU give us a reason why you chose a different path - a path of following a fairy in the sky? I gave up santa claus a long time ago, why don't you? Give is a logical reason; the burden of proof is on you, not atheists.
 
I'd like you to state the illogical nature of the following:

There is no proof of a flying spaghetti monster; thus, it is irrational to believe that it exists.


Now, replace flying spaghetti monster with the deity of your choice.
 
Hmmm. This doesn't really make any sense. I believe you are mistaking "atheism" e.g. "lack of a belief in God" for something along the lines of "anti-theism" which is more or less the assertion that "God does not exist". I am, and I believe most non-believers are, more along the lines of "atheists", i.e. we simply do not believe in God, we do not assert that God cannot exist.
 
Well, being that everyone is born an atheist, why don't YOU give us a reason why you chose a different path - a path of following a fairy in the sky? I gave up santa claus a long time ago, why don't you? Give is a logical reason; the burden of proof is on you, not atheists.

False premise.

It seems to me that, given the history of humankind and the fact that religions of some sort often seem to pop up even in isolated cultures, people are not born atheist. They are born agnostic. There is "something" out there, but it's unknown, unquantified, unexplained. From here, there are various routes this can take.

Your family's religion may explain and quantify the answers to the natural questions you were born with and developed as you grew up. This religion, since it's also confirmed by people you are around so often, seems "right" and complete to you. You may or may not grow up with the idea others should be of your same religion; that is a separate issue from merely having faith.

You may, either due to your family or on your own, discover that you are certain there is no God of any sort. You may or may not have the idea that others should be of your same anti-religion; that is a separate issue from merely having faith.

You may become either rebellious against the religion (or lack of it) you grew up with, too, whether to just spite your parents or due to some sense of spiritual incorrectness or some other reason. You may or may not have the idea that others have to "wake up," too.

Obviously there are individual experiences within those categories, and subcategories that could be generated.

Your original question has a very simple answer. If you look for proof, and every avenue you go down says "No, God didn't do this; it was ______________," then you may well come to the conclusion that there is no God. You may even feel very justified in saying so, since you have found nothing concrete that you can attribute to God.

Atheism requires quite a bit of faith as well. On the one hand, you have people who are certain (though they really only have faith) that some events in the remote past happened just so, and had supernatural elements, and meant this and that. On the other hand, you have people who are certain (though they really only have faith) that some events in the remote past absolutely did not happen just so, and did not have supernatural elements, and they mean nothing more than the sum of their mundane parts.

Your statement about the flying spaghetti monster is a real :eyeroll: to me. To people of faith, almost anything you see around you is proof that there's a God. It is at least a suggestion of an intelligence behind the organization and creation of all the myriad compounds, processes, and interactions that govern our daily life. If you consider even the many steps just to take a breath... one side will say it is science without God, another will say it is God's work entire. The certainty with which religious folks and atheists both say their way is the correct way is the very same hubris.

The reason I ended each category above with the point that it may or may not be in their nature to demand others believe the same is that this is what it comes down to. Religion doesn't start wars, or even maintain them. It is people needing to have everyone else see things their way that's the culprit.

What is the motivation for ridiculing or even questioning someone else's faith? I can think of little more private than the sort of reflection and questioning that involves the potential of eternity, or the decision that there is no eternity to ponder.
 
False premise.

It seems to me that, given the history of humankind and the fact that religions of some sort often seem to pop up even in isolated cultures, people are not born atheist. They are born agnostic. There is "something" out there, but it's unknown, unquantified, unexplained. From here, there are various routes this can take.

Your family's religion may explain and quantify the answers to the natural questions you were born with and developed as you grew up. This religion, since it's also confirmed by people you are around so often, seems "right" and complete to you. You may or may not grow up with the idea others should be of your same religion; that is a separate issue from merely having faith.

You may, either due to your family or on your own, discover that you are certain there is no God of any sort. You may or may not have the idea that others should be of your same anti-religion; that is a separate issue from merely having faith.

You may become either rebellious against the religion (or lack of it) you grew up with, too, whether to just spite your parents or due to some sense of spiritual incorrectness or some other reason. You may or may not have the idea that others have to "wake up," too.

Obviously there are individual experiences within those categories, and subcategories that could be generated.

Your original question has a very simple answer. If you look for proof, and every avenue you go down says "No, God didn't do this; it was ______________," then you may well come to the conclusion that there is no God. You may even feel very justified in saying so, since you have found nothing concrete that you can attribute to God.

Atheism requires quite a bit of faith as well. On the one hand, you have people who are certain (though they really only have faith) that some events in the remote past happened just so, and had supernatural elements, and meant this and that. On the other hand, you have people who are certain (though they really only have faith) that some events in the remote past absolutely did not happen just so, and did not have supernatural elements, and they mean nothing more than the sum of their mundane parts.

Your statement about the flying spaghetti monster is a real :eyeroll: to me. To people of faith, almost anything you see around you is proof that there's a God. It is at least a suggestion of an intelligence behind the organization and creation of all the myriad compounds, processes, and interactions that govern our daily life. If you consider even the many steps just to take a breath... one side will say it is science without God, another will say it is God's work entire. The certainty with which religious folks and atheists both say their way is the correct way is the very same hubris.

The reason I ended each category above with the point that it may or may not be in their nature to demand others believe the same is that this is what it comes down to. Religion doesn't start wars, or even maintain them. It is people needing to have everyone else see things their way that's the culprit.

What is the motivation for ridiculing or even questioning someone else's faith? I can think of little more private than the sort of reflection and questioning that involves the potential of eternity, or the decision that there is no eternity to ponder.

People are born atheists - no one believes in a God out of the womb. They have to be taught, etc. Agnosticism is the position that "God is unknowable". I don't think babies are agnostics out of the womb. Atheism does not require faith. Atheists examine their world, and see nothing that provides any convincing logical evidence for God's existence. Therefore, they do not believe in a God.

Scientists say things with certainty because that is where their experimentation and the evidence they have produced have lead them. If there was any empirical evidence that a God has done these things, then that would be the conclusion they would be professing with the same certainty. I don't think anyone has any convincing evidence that God is behind our respiratory mechanisms. I make a point out of not ridiculing other's faiths.
 
People are born atheists - no one believes in a God out of the womb. They have to be taught, etc. Agnosticism is the position that "God is unknowable". I don't think babies are agnostics out of the womb. Atheism does not require faith. Atheists examine their world, and see nothing that provides any convincing logical evidence for God's existence. Therefore, they do not believe in a God.

Scientists say things with certainty because that is where their experimentation and the evidence they have produced have lead them. If there was any empirical evidence that a God has done these things, then that would be the conclusion they would be professing with the same certainty. I don't think anyone has any convincing evidence that God is behind our respiratory mechanisms. I make a point out of not ridiculing other's faiths.

If people are born atheists, how did the notion of a God arise in so many societies? I still maintain that the natural state of human beings is to believe there is "something" out there. Some quench that thirst by delving into scientific theories and experiments, and some maintain that it's God, and some maintain that it's a combination of both. Yes, there's logical reasons for things like gravity and atmosphere and chemical reactions... but why is there 100% no God behind them? Science is actually pretty imperfect. Atheism can provide me with no satisfactory explanation of how the universe began. Creationism is likewise unsatisfactory. Frankly, I find most explanations to be rather incomplete, so I also make it a point not to ridicule others' faiths.
 
If people are born atheists, how did the notion of a God arise in so many societies? I still maintain that the natural state of human beings is to believe there is "something" out there. Some quench that thirst by delving into scientific theories and experiments, and some maintain that it's God, and some maintain that it's a combination of both. Yes, there's logical reasons for things like gravity and atmosphere and chemical reactions... but why is there 100% no God behind them? Science is actually pretty imperfect. Atheism can provide me with no satisfactory explanation of how the universe began. Creationism is likewise unsatisfactory. Frankly, I find most explanations to be rather incomplete, so I also make it a point not to ridicule others' faiths.

Yes, I would agree that it is normal for the human mind to revert to theistic explanations - especially earlier in our history. But technically speaking, a baby who knows nothing about the world around him is an a-theist - he/she does not believe in a God(Not an "anti-theist"). In truth, I find the whole "Babies-are-athiests" point a little silly, and indicative of little. But there is my take on it.

And I don't think anyone(intelligent, anyways) blindly asserts that there is no God behind gravity, atmospheres, or chemical reactions, but asserts that there is no EVIDENCE that God is behind any of these things. Science is imperfect(and science ≠ atheism. Completely different), but it seeks to provide the best explanation available for observable phenomena. The things that science asserts are backed up by evidence. And I'm not sure what you mean by "Atheism provides no satisfactory explanation of how the universe began". If you are talking about science's explanation, why does it have to be satisfactory? It is simply based upon observation and experimentation.
 
Currently, the favorite theory is the Big Bang.

At odds with this to some extent, and at odds with there being a beginning to the universe at all, is the scientific assertion that matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

Where does the matter come from for the start of the universe? From the start of the universe.

That's a very ridiculous explanation that makes just as much sense as "Some old dude in a robe did it, but I can't tell you who created Him."
 
Currently, the favorite theory is the Big Bang.

At odds with this to some extent, and at odds with there being a beginning to the universe at all, is the scientific assertion that matter can neither be created nor destroyed.

Where does the matter come from for the start of the universe? From the start of the universe.

That's a very ridiculous explanation that makes just as much sense as "Some old dude in a robe did it, but I can't tell you who created Him."


Yes, I pretty much agree with everything you have stated there.(Though I think someone has explained it more fully, but I can't remember for sure.) But the correct thing to do in situations such as these is to state "I don't know".
 
I challenge any atheist to give me even one logical atheistic argument or logical reason for being an atheist.

I've seen lots of atheistic arguments and have never seen even one logical argument from atheists. I declare that there is no such thing as a logical atheistic argument.

Everything is free and open, as soon as you provide your argument I'll just explain how it's illogical.

There is no logical reason to be an atheist.

I am free and open to the logical argument of there being a god. I just haven't heard one that resonated yet, primarily because the arguments have come from believers in the Abrahamic god. Not only do I find the existence of the Abrahamic god illogical, but I also find this god highly offensive. Care to offer up any others?
 
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