Frank Luntz: RAND has MOST LIKEABILITY of ANY candidate he's EVER polled the audience on

[PaleoForPaul]

Well, that's only because most politicians are unprincipled hypocrites. I don't see Rand going down that road. A consistently principled voting record will be an asset in 2016.

They'll name some authoritarian bill the "Protect our Senior citizen act of 2014" or some rubbish and Rand will vote against it. When Running against Jeb Bush in the primaries, Jeb will slander Rand as hating old people for voting against the act.

Don't think it could happen? I remember from 2008: "John McCain voted against the Violence Against Women Act". I can only imagine what they'd do to Rand.

I hope you're right though, and it all turns out well.

 

[PaleoForPaul]

Rand is Ron Paul without the heroin and prostitutes.

By the way, this is priceless.

 

[ds21089]

When the race for 2016 begins, Rand will stand head and shoulders above every other candidate. It would be easier for the others to not even run against Rand. He will win.

Every Republican I've spoken to who has reservations about Ron, loves Rand. Rand is Ron Paul without the heroin and prostitutes.

It seems the opposite for democrats though. Or at least the democrats I've encountered always think of Rand as a huge racist teabagger, yet they say "Ron is okay though".. I don't quite understand that, but whatever..

 

[georgiaboy]

I just wish Rand could've gotten in there after the unanimous raised hands, "If you really like what you just heard, check out my dad, Ron, who shares these perspectives, and is running for president this cycle."

 

[thedude]

I just wish Rand could've gotten in there after the unanimous raised hands, "If you really like what you just heard, check out my dad, Ron, who shares these perspectives, and is running for president this cycle."

Indeed. Rand isn't doing much stumping for his dad. Has he even publicly endorsed him yet?

 

[Sola_Fide]

It seems the opposite for democrats though. Or at least the democrats I've encountered always think of Rand as a huge racist teabagger, yet they say "Ron is okay though".. I don't quite understand that, but whatever..

Believe me, if Ron gains considerable traction, the attacks will begin. The attacks have already started on Rand because they know he can win. They always attack the greatest threat. We do the same thing.

 

[Sola_Fide]

By the way, this is priceless.

That was tongue in cheek. No offense to Ron meant at all. I was just speaking of perception

 

[BlackTerrel]

In my opinion, this is just an attempt to give Rand overwhelming support so that people go "you know what.. i'll just hold off this election - voting for the one running most similar to Rand (obviously Ron) and just vote Rand in 2016 because I bet he will be running" This is an attempt by the establishment to get people to basically to give up this election cycle and pray for a good 2016, but in reality, this country won't make it to 2016, and they know that.

Aha. Saying good things about Rand is actually an attack on Ron.

But saying bad things about Rand is also an attack on Ron. As is saying neutral things. Makes sense.

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

The msnbc pundits after his speech are comedic gold!

MSNBC is terrified of him. Talk about fear-mongering

They were FAR worse than Faux ever has been

 

[DeadheadForPaul]

I get this to, I'm like "if you've seen the father you've seen the son!"

I'd rather they hate Ron and love Rand rather than hating both

The larger conservative movement has already been brainwashed to hate Ron. It's a lost cause to convert them after all the RP = 9/11 truth and such.

I try to separate Rand and Ron in my discussions with conservatives

Tying them together is only going to blow up in our faces

 

[ForLibertyFight]

Indeed. Rand isn't doing much stumping for his dad. Has he even publicly endorsed him yet?

I hope Rand campaigns harder for his father.

 

[Sola_Fide]

I'd rather they hate Ron and love Rand rather than hating both

The larger conservative movement has already been brainwashed to hate Ron. It's a lost cause to convert them after all the RP = 9/11 truth and such.

I try to separate Rand and Ron in my discussions with conservatives

Tying them together is only going to blow up in our faces

Being here in Kentucky, it can easily be seen that Rand is getting popular. What Rand is saying is dominating the news. He is talked about on the local news shows, he is talked about in the Tea Party meetings, he is talked about by just about everyone who is connected to politics through Kentucky.

And I've noticed that there is something really profound and significant about Rand's time so far in the Senate. I've noticed that because Rand has had the courage to be principled, he has nudged run-of-the-mill conservatives over to a more principled position. It's now acceptable for conservatives to say "we shouldn't bomb bridges and rebuild them in Afghanistan when we need bridges here". It's now common to hear conservatives have reservations about the Patriot Act. It's now common for me to hear conservatives talking about actually ending federal departments.


All of this comes from Ron Paul. He is the wellspring of the ideas. But I think there is an irrational stigma that many conservatives still have with Ron, because to them he doesn't "sound" conservative (dumb, I know).

Rand sounds like a conservative (even though he is promoting libertarian ideas). I think Rand goes out of his way to sound conservative. This is the genius of Rand.

Ron does not go out of his way to sound like a conservative, and that's why people love him or hate him. He is fine with not appeasing conservatives, and I'm fine with too, because conservatives are usually wrong anyway. But there is the fact that you need them to vote for you.

 

[Justinjj1]

Ron sounds significantly dumber than Rand when he speaks. Ron's arguments are less logical and less persuasive; I'm not sure how that constitutes a "smarter" message.

Bullshit. Rand sounds like a stereotypical Washington politician, there's nothing logical or persuasive that I've ever heard him say. It's just a watered down version of the liberty message, with a bunch of red-meat thrown in for the tea-ocons and Sarah Palin type Republicans. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he hasn't came out hardcore campaigning for his father.

It also doesn't surprise that Fuck You Frank, Mark Levin, and Sean Hannity are all huge Rand supporters but absolutely loathe Ron. Ron and Rand do not have interchangeable beliefs and values no matter what people on this board say. I would NOT vote for Rand Paul for president, until he comes out against the foreign wars, comes out for ABOLISHING the FEd, and against the war on drugs. But I am not holding my breath.

Somebody in this thread said Rand is Ron without the heroin and prostitutes, I would go further and say that Rand is Ron without the track record, the integrity, and the intellectualism.

 

[Sola_Fide]

Bullshit. Rand sounds like a stereotypical Washington politician, there's nothing logical or persuasive that I've ever heard him say. It's just a watered down version of the liberty message, with a bunch of red-meat thrown in for the tea-ocons and Sarah Palin type Republicans. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he hasn't came out hardcore campaigning for his father.

It also doesn't surprise that Fuck You Frank, Mark Levin, and Sean Hannity are all huge Rand supporters but absolutely loathe Ron. Ron and Rand do not have interchangeable beliefs and values no matter what people on this board say. I would NOT vote for Rand Paul for president, until he comes out against the foreign wars, comes out for ABOLISHING the FEd, and against the war on drugs. But I am not holding my breath.

Somebody in this thread said Rand is Ron without the heroin and prostitutes, I would go further and say that Rand is Ron without the track record, the integrity, and intellectualism.

Uh. What vote of Rand's can you point to that was counter to a vote of Ron's?

Also, what Senator can you think of in recent memory who has proposed the elimination of federal departments?

Also, Rand is able to unify large segments of the Republican base--establishment, grass roots, and independent. The forces working against Ron in the Republican party are not working against Rand. But the fact still remains that they are both looking toward the same goal.

 

[CUnknown]

[...] I would NOT vote for Rand Paul for president, until he comes out against the foreign wars, comes out for ABOLISHING the FEd, and against the war on drugs. But I am not holding my breath.

Are you delusional? Rand has come out against the wars, especially Libya, and he's always been pro-auditing of the Fed, which of course is the first step towards abolishment. He's also said the drug laws should be handled by the States, hasn't he? So, that means he's against the federal drug war.

I can't believe you're taking this position when Rand is quite possibly the most anti-war member of the Senate.

It makes no sense for Rand to rave on and on about the Fed -- it will only serve to damage his credibility. Ron's job is to push the debate forward and to educate, Rand's job is to lead the liberty movement into the future. Not voting for Rand in 2016 (if Ron loses, anyway) would be shooting the liberty movement in the foot.

 

[puppetmaster]

Ron and Rand 2012.

2016 will be too late, in fact it may be too late already

 

[dannno]

You say that like it's a bad thing.

No I think it said it like it's an ironic thing

 

[BlackTerrel]

Bullshit. Rand sounds like a stereotypical Washington politician, there's nothing logical or persuasive that I've ever heard him say. It's just a watered down version of the liberty message, with a bunch of red-meat thrown in for the tea-ocons and Sarah Palin type Republicans. It doesn't surprise me one bit that he hasn't came out hardcore campaigning for his father.

It also doesn't surprise that Fuck You Frank, Mark Levin, and Sean Hannity are all huge Rand supporters but absolutely loathe Ron. Ron and Rand do not have interchangeable beliefs and values no matter what people on this board say. I would NOT vote for Rand Paul for president, until he comes out against the foreign wars, comes out for ABOLISHING the FEd, and against the war on drugs. But I am not holding my breath.

Somebody in this thread said Rand is Ron without the heroin and prostitutes, I would go further and say that Rand is Ron without the track record, the integrity, and the intellectualism.

What's funny is I haven't seen you in about a year but the only posts of yours I remember were bashing Rand before he got elected. Calling him a sellout etc.. and seeming like you wanted him to lose.

"Welcome" back.

 

[Sola_Fide]

What's funny is I haven't seen you in about a year but the only posts of yours I remember were bashing Rand before he got elected. Calling him a sellout etc.. and seeming like you wanted him to lose.

"Welcome" back.

If the Rand-doubters are honest, they will admit that Rand has exceeded expectations.

 

[anaconda]

When the race for 2016 begins, Rand will stand head and shoulders above every other candidate. It would be easier for the others to not even run against Rand. He will win.

Rand won't get the chance in 2016 if a RINO wins the White House in 2012. We need an Obama second term. Unless Ron wants to pass the torch to Rand in the next few weeks.