Fox News Poll: Rand at 3%

[klamath]

Been following Rands campaign a bit. Thought I would add my thoughts. I still support Rand as he is still the closest to my beliefs but I am a little disappointed in his recent performance.
First off Rand turned into a heavy headwind with the rise of ISIS. The Republican electorate went from being sick of messing in the middle east to full on pissed off at the antics of ISIS. Anybody that thinks the videos ISIS puts out doesn't create a visceral reaction in the republican electorate has no clue. It is well known Rand was moving his talking points about noninterventionism just to get elected. The majority of the republican base wants to kick ISIS ass and don't trust Rand to do it.

He overplayed the black outreach by getting involved in Ferguson before all the facts were known just like Obama did. There were far better cases to illustrate police overreach. Ferguson wasn't it.

I know what Rand was trying to do in the debate, not be left on the sidelines like his father and I thought it might work, it didn't. Attacking Trump the buffoon was a waste and counterproductive. Obviously he doesn't have the style or the temperament to pull it off. Trump has a very small chance of winning the nomination and almost zero chance of beating the democrat in the fall.

Rand also has a great disadvantage in height. He is about the shortest guy there. Tribal instincts deep down pick the bigger leader. In order to beat the bigger man the small guy has to be really really good. This would have been the first time the average voter saw all the candidates standing next to each other.

Looks matter to the average voter. I had a average voter tell me that Rand looked really dumb perming his hair for the debate and I was stuck trying to explain that it is not permed, and he just doesn't care how he looks like his dad didn't care. Cut your damned hair RAND! I want to talk about your issues to voters not that poodle top!

Am I saying Rand is done? No I am not. There is a long ways to go and Rand can turn this around. LEARN what doesn't work. That debate performance didn't work! Act strong presidential, stick to the issues, don't break the debate rules. Rand came off as an angry poodle and the average voter didn't hear what he said because demeanor got in the way.
Get to the early states and TALK to every voter he can reach. The media has now moved into the ignore Rand mode.
He needs to learn to control his temper with piss assed reporters.
Win the first states by being under the radar because he is going to get just a handful of questions in the remaining debates.

 

[LatinsforPaul]

I think that's rather optomistic given the present situation.

Things change and quickly though, so you never know.

Many here have no idea what's going on in Iowa on the ground. They will know by the end of January.

 

[Badger Paul]

"ensing an opportunity, his rivals have geared up to compete by hiring top-notch state talent and making regular stops. And at a sold-out gathering here of 1,500 conservatives Saturday — the first-ever Basque Fry, hosted by state Attorney General Adam Laxalt — it was Ted Cruz who stole the show. Paul was notably absent, scheduled instead for a medical mission to Haiti.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...nd-paul-nevada-edge-121400.html#ixzz3j2TyDOaX

This is what happens when you take time off and you also let things atrophy. Now Rand has to spend money building organization in a state he should have had in the bag without a Mormon candidate in it.

 

[Badger Paul]

Most GOP voters agree with the policies that the Republican Party promotes and don't want a different kind of Republican.

If that were true Jeb Bush would be well ahead in the polls.

 

[Brett85]

Most GOP voters agree with the policies that the Republican Party promotes and don't want a different kind of Republican.

If that were true Jeb Bush would be well ahead in the polls.

Perhaps, but I still don't think that Rand campaigning as a "different kind of Republican" is going to get him anywhere. He needs to campaign as the most fiscally conservative Republican running, because he is. He needs to campaign on the fact that he's the only candidate running who's serious about cutting spending, balancing the budget, and reducing the national debt.

 

[Crashland]

Perhaps, but I still don't think that Rand campaigning as a "different kind of Republican" is going to get him anywhere. He needs to campaign as the most fiscally conservative Republican running, because he is. He needs to campaign on the fact that he's the only candidate running who's serious about cutting spending, balancing the budget, and reducing the national debt.

Those things *do* make him a different kind of Republican though

 

[Brett85]

Those things *do* make him a different kind of Republican though

Yeah, he should mention that he's a different kind of Republican in the sense that he's the only candidate running who's fiscally responsible and actually wants to do something about the debt. But focusing on things like NSA surveillance and criminal justice reform does absolutely nothing for Rand as most GOP voters don't care at all about that issue.

 

[Brett85]

It's really not surprising that Rand is only at 3% when you even have people here on this forum who support Trump over him. People have simply been brainwashed and are delusional, and it's impossible to reason with them.

 

[NewRightLibertarian]

The GOP zombies want an authoritarian dictator to boss them around. They don't give a fuck about the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, or freedom even in a general sense. They just want to lick the boots of a fascist despot, even if that despot is a reality TV ignoramus without even generally conservative stances. In short: We are fucked when it comes to national politics definitely this year, probably forever. Rand's own behavior hasn't done himself any favors, but there probably wasn't much he could've done to be honest.

 

[garyallen59]

It's really not surprising that Rand is only at 3% when you even have people here on this forum who support Trump over him. People have simply been brainwashed and are delusional, and it's impossible to reason with them.

I've noticed it's impossible to deal with Trump supporters on the internet, but I've had success by talking with people I know who support Trump and even moving them over to Rand. Can you believe it. Many people aren't persuaded on the net due to anonymity but when you're talking to them face to face many realize that Trump is just blathering and "good entertainment".

Talk to people and when they bring up Trump point out to them why he is not serious and has no substance so far I've had 100% success on moving people away from Trump while talking to them in person.

 

[nayjevin]

Assuming poll is 100% accurate, which it assuredly is not, people are still conflating 'people who were polled' with 'people who will caucus'. Colleges, landlines.

 

[Brett85]

I've noticed it's impossible to deal with Trump supporters on the internet, but I've had success by talking with people I know who support Trump and even moving them over to Rand. Can you believe it. Many people aren't persuaded on the net due to anonymity but when you're talking to them face to face many realize that Trump is just blathering and "good entertainment".

Talk to people and when they bring up Trump point out to them why he is not serious and has no substance so far I've had 100% success on moving people away from Trump while talking to them in person.

Well that's good to hear. On the internet I've pointed out to people that Trump supported all of the bailouts as well as Obama's trillion dollar stimulus bill, but even that information doesn't phase them. I mean, what do we even stand for if it's fine to support a candidate who supports bailouts and stimulus spending?

 

[nayjevin]

Rand is polling low because the Liberty movement is stagnant.

Rand is polling low because poll is not scientific
Rand is polling low because polling represents his true support less than any other candidate
Rand is polling low because there are 16 choices
Rand is polling low because ....

I have never received a telephone poll call, for instance.

Liberty movement is not stagnant.

Rand has 3 superpacs. Young Americans for Liberty and Students for Liberty doing fine. Get out moar! Libertarianism in general has made major gains. We are soooo far from where we were, when it was a late night re-broadcast of an underfunded LP debate or nothing.

2016 can't be all about Rand we need to get out and run for offices, local and statewide. We need to parley these local and statewide runs into support for Rand.

This has happened, is happening. The more it happens, the more it will feel like liberty is 'stagnating' to those who are used to the days when there wasn't much motivation but to post online, and so everyone was doing that, as a one percenter.

 

[CPUd]

Interesting how they polled the best/worst job in the debates with people who didn't watch the debates:

And how Trump is is #1 for best job and #1 for worst job.

 

[Lord Xar]

who the fuck is Kasich? And HOW is he at 4%.... this is sooooo disheartening.. these fucking lamebrain voters.

And christie... wtf!!!!

Also, I think Rand should have been at the Iowa fair... was he? I think he was in haiti, eye surgeries.

 

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

who the fuck is Kasich? And HOW is he at 4%.... this is sooooo disheartening.. these fucking lamebrain voters.

And christie... wtf!!!!

Also, I think Rand should have been at the Iowa fair... was he? I think he was in haiti, eye surgeries.

Polls are skewed

 

[anaconda]

We have some in this forum.

I resemble that remark.

 

[anaconda]

Yeah, he should mention that he's a different kind of Republican in the sense that he's the only candidate running who's fiscally responsible and actually wants to do something about the debt. But focusing on things like NSA surveillance and criminal justice reform does absolutely nothing for Rand as most GOP voters don't care at all about that issue.

Time to consider the painful steps forward for a third party.

 

[anaconda]

I will offer a prediction: As Trump tanks his numbers will not be absorbed in any significant way by Senator Paul. They will be absorbed by others. The CFR media has had a very easy job of removing Senator Paul from the 2016 playing field. Let this be a lesson.

 

[anaconda]

Polls are skewed

Doubt it. The public's tastes are manufactured by the media. The polls simply confirm this.