Fox News Poll: Rand at 3%

Polls are not rated for accuracy till a month or so before the vote. How else do we expect they'd be used? Seriously need to stop listening to the media and focus our efforts on winning the early states.
 
69360 said:
At this point who cares? Neither Trump nor Carson are serious candidates. They both have no political experience at all. A big mouth and BS will only get you so far. Both will be forgotten soon enough.
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And Cruz is going to win probably 75% of their (Trump's & Carson's) supporters when they do crash and burn so this poll and more importantly, the broader dynamics of the 2016 electorate, are quite possibly worse than this poll suggests.

Trump (23%) + Carson (13%) + Cruz (12%) means over 40% of the GOP electorate is HUGELY ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT. And Rand's performance in the last debate appears to have seriously turned most of them off.

Vincent Harris said awhile back that the most interesting/important lesson learned while working on Bibi's reelection campaign in Israel was how critical it was to campaign in a way that didn't alienate any of the factions within the Israeli Rig (which is even more splintered than the GOP apparently).

I thought that Harris was signaling how Rand was going to campaign but, unfortunately it appears that only Cruz and Carson's team read that article. The combative first debate performance and decision to go after Trump have been big strategic mistakes by Rand. #sigh
 
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Why does Rand not just start railing against illegals and tell the public he's not just going to build a yuge wall, but a wall with a drone/Navy SEAL monitored moat. On both borders!

 
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69360 said:
At this point who cares? Neither Trump nor Carson are serious candidates. They both have no political experience at all. A big mouth and BS will only get you so far. Both will be forgotten soon enough.
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People would say the same for Rand Paul, in fact they might go even further and say having people like Jessie Benton around shows bad judgement in a string of bad judgments he's made. Sorry, but face reality here, Rand is polling at 3% for a valid reason.
 
Rand is polling low because the Liberty movement is stagnant. Its true Rand hasn't been pumping up the movement lately as he should because of bad strategery as well as bad luck in regard to world events and the rise of Trump, but the failure is also on our part. How do we remedy this? One thing, 2016 can't be all about Rand we need to get out and run for offices, local and statewide. We need to parley these local and statewide runs into support for Rand. The hardcore might not come out and vote for Rand on his own but if there is a slate of other candidates they would go out and support, Rand can get their vote on their coattails.
 
Rand has been between 3-6% (+/- margin of error) in various polls since the week before the debate.
 
TheTyke said:
Polls are not rated for accuracy till a month or so before the vote. How else do we expect they'd be used? Seriously need to stop listening to the media and focus our efforts on winning the early states.
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I partially agree.
I don't think the polls are necessarily inaccurate (voters are idiots, every election I've seen they're idiots, even a lot of people who voted rand to the Senate voted based on silly reasons most likely).

but I certainly agree that we shouldn't let the polls effect our morale and keep working the early states. mostly Iowa because it's easier to win than nh and will help make rand the anti establishment candidate again
 
Rand has made a number of mistakes from going after Trump to trying to win black votes by using language that offends white conservatives. He should and could be doing better than he is now.

If I were in Rand's shoes and wanted to turn this around, I would:

- Bash establishment candidates (e.g. Jeb).
- Avoid battle with the base's current flavors of the month (i.e. Trump and Fiorina) for the time being.
- Turn the knob up to 11 in support of civil liberties. Be as loud on issues like domestic surveillance, asset forfeiture, etc., as Trump is on illegal immigration.
- Speaking of illegal immigration, get tough on it. Slam establishment candidates for their lack of concern for American workers.
- Try to have more moments like the famous abortion response. Play rough with the liberal media. Make them cry. The base love that.

I will continue to support Rand because his views are the closest to my own, but it is frustrating that he isn't doing as good of a job as he should be.
 
He big time took a wrong turn bashing Trump. Rep voters are sick to hell of boehner, mcconnell and bush.
 
DisneyFan said:
Rand has made a number of mistakes from going after Trump to trying to win black votes by using language that offends white conservatives. He should and could be doing better than he is now.
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Rand is doing better than all of the other Republican candidates against Hillary, and is beating her in 5 purple states that Obama won in 2012. That is success that can be used to win the nomination and the Presidency.

These polls are bogus. They are landline polls, and they will be adjusted in the coming months for demographics and Rand's numbers will go up and everybody else's will go down.

If you want to keep listening to the media's narrative and believing it, go ahead, but that is some Disney style fiction you are watching. Why do you think they are completely ignoring the fact that Rand is the best candidate to go up against the Democrats?

Rand is right to go after Trump because Trump is a horrible person and a horrible candidate, and when people wake up to that it will give Rand some credibility and in the mean time it is gaining him a lot of attention.
 
Just wanted to say one thing about the "least liked" votes for Rand. That's almost entirely made up of:
a) low information idiots people who remember Ron Paul and think that is who they are being polled about
b) slightly annoyed Trump idiots supporters who probably wouldn't be completely opposed to jumping to the next anti-establishment candidate

Despite looking like hard opposition, in the end I don't think there's a large faction near 11% that is in reality hard opposition.

The problem is not the haters. The problem is the lack of passion and gaining traction.

How to fix that? Not sure yet, but the least of Rand's problem is negative feelings of a small group of voters. He needs more attention, even if it brings more negative feelings with it.
 
Mr.NoSmile said:
Oh, people would be willing to say it meant a lot if Paul was in first place because of how this reaches the Fox News low information voters or something like that.
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Isn't that the truth. 2016 is done for liberty inc. maybe 2020 but I'm not convinced Hillary will win which would push it to 2024. The country will be so broke we won't have to worry about campaign contributions.
 
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