Fox News *loves* Ron Paul

I agree this is pretty much it. Another possibility is Fox may be following the old advice "Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer." They realize that their shrill attacks are not working so they may play nice for a couple of months and be ready to pounce on any mis-step that Paul makes. If they are makeing nice it will make their later attacks look more legitimate to the sheeple.

ANOTHER possibility, if I might be so apparently insane as to suggest, is that Fox News is a company in the business of making money. Neo-conservative propaganda sells, liberal propaganda does not, and controversy sells better than both.

You think that Fox News exists for the explicit purpose of disseminating Neo-conservative propaganda. You keep believing that. In the mean time, Fox News is laughing all the way to the bank.
 
Do not attribute to malice that which is more adequately explained by stupidity.

I disagree. That is the VERY REASON why george bush is able to get away with what he does, people just think he is dumb.

But no one actually realizes that Bush used to be a very articulate person. I happen to think he plays dumb purposely. If you don't believe me, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo
 
No, no I do not believe you.

Listen, Colmes and Hannity both suggested live on the air that Ron Paul supporters were voting and revoting to distort the results of the poll.

But the simplest explanation also happens to be the most likely. They did not know, live on television at that moment, that the poll their producers and engineers had setup had safeguards in place preventing revoting.

This is not information that would have been shared with the on camera personalities in advance of a busy night of live debate coverage.

So Colmes and Hannity, like most middle aged Americans with just enough knowledge of technology to be suspicious of it, looked at the text poll results, recalled the fact that Ron Paul is polling at about 3% nationally, and made the entirely innocent and expected assumption that Ron Paul's technology savvy supporters were somehow exploiting the voting mechanism to misrepresent their candidate's support.

The fact of the matter is that Colmes and Hannity, despite their on camera recognition, aren't academics, aren't scientists, aren't technology savvy, and for the most part aren't any smarter than the average bear.

Had they been, and I assure you they are not, they would have instead reached the conclusion that it was not deceit that accounted for the disparity in the text poll results compared to national and primary state poll results, but rather the fact that the text poll is a self-selecting, unscientific poll, whereas the national and primary state polls are broadly, scientific polls, and are not self-selecting.

Do not attribute to malice that which is more adequately explained by stupidity.

The number one mistake made by many Ron Paul supporters is overestimating the opposition. The number two mistake is overestimating the opposition's perception of them as a threat.

You're assuming the "they" in my comment refers to Vannity and his sidekick. ;)
 
Ron Paul will LOSE unless ALL OF US get out the message at the grass roots level and motivate individuals to vote in the New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina primaries.

By all scientific measures, Ron Paul is far, far behind in New Hampshire. And yet the myth persists among many Ron Paul supporters that the state is already in the bag for Paul.

Now, on this I can agree.

We need to start taking over the GOP establishment. It seems a lot of Paul supporters aren't willing to hold their noses and get involved with the local GOP organizations, but that's what it's going to take to win.

We have to show them that there is real support for Ron Paul. We've got to get into their midst and demonstrate that Paul and his supporters represent true conservative values in a way that no other candidate does.

We can have a much bigger impact by showing up at GOP functions and demonstrating our drive, enthusiasm, and dedication than by railing about neocons on the internet.
 
It's not that Fox News *loves* Ron Paul. Fox New *loves* RATINGS and they know Ron Paul = Ratings.

My God! Sir, your saneness befuddles me. Are you sure you didn't mean to suggest that it's part of a new subversive plot by the Illuminati???
 
Why all the hating on Fox News? I run a business, and I always have Fox News on in the background. You would not believe how much coverage Fox has been giving to Ron Paul these last two days. More than Huckabee, more than Giuliani, more than McCain, more than Romney, more than Thompson.

When I went to bed last night, there was a fair discussion of Ron Paul on Fox's late night program, "Red Eye." Then, when I woke up, the FNC show "Cashin' In" was debating Ron Paul's suggestion in New Hampshire that we should allow the airlines to police their own security. Of the four people on the panel, two supported it and two opposed. All four, however, were very respectful of Dr. Paul, none took "low blows," or anything like that.

Yesterday, they replayed a montage of all his arguement in the NH debate on Hannity and Colmes. Hannity then said that Paul won the debate's text message vote and he did not try to downplay it with "they probably cheated" or anything like that.

On Monday, O'Reilly will talk with Ron Paul. The O'Reilly Factor is the most watched cable news program in the entire country.

Out of all the news channels, the Fox News Channel is the most respectful and gives the most coverage to Ron Paul--ecspecially recently. We need to quit hating on the main stream media; its not that they are trying to censor Ron Paul, its just that like all television news, they are slow to change--but they are chaning now.

I believe you are correct, but in defense of those who are agitated by the MSM.... the last few days of coverage is nothing like the last 9 months of minimal coverage and misrepresentations.... and always saying he is a long shot... or has no chance of winning... etc... so the negative attitudes by a fellow members are understandable...
 
I respectfully disagree. Hannity fully knows better.

The guy lies for a living. He knew he was lying, just as he knew he was lying the next day when he went on the radio and stated that Ron Paul is polling at "0.1%" in the national opinion polls.

He had that "speed-dialing" line ready to roll long before the results started coming in. After all, he already knew how the poll was going to go.

Well let's think about that. You know, I will say I agree with you that Colmes and Hannity may very well have had that speed-dialing line in mind, anticipating a replay of the last self-selecting debate poll.

But that is wholly different than the suggestion that Colmes and Hannity said that in full knowledge that the debate poll setup by their producers and engineers had builtin safeguards to prevent revoting.

And remember, it's Colmes, not Hannity who brings it up first when the go live with the early results, at least in the videos I've seen.
 
I wonder...

If Bill O is really rotten to Dr. Paul...

Will this be a way to finally get RP on Olberman?

:D
 
Well let's think about that. You know, I will say I agree with you that Colmes and Hannity may very well have had that speed-dialing line in mind, anticipating a replay of the last self-selecting debate poll.

But that is wholly different than the suggestion that Colmes and Hannity said that in full knowledge that the debate poll setup by their producers and engineers had builtin safeguards to prevent revoting.

And remember, it's Colmes, not Hannity who brings it up first when the go live with the early results, at least in the videos I've seen.


I'm no fan of the token "liberal", but I'm also not willing to accept that they were necessarily unaware that the poll was set up to disallow repeat votes.

Maybe they knew, maybe they didn't. The fact remains, they were ready with a quick spin of the text poll results, and didn't hesitate to use it.

Like I say, Hannity lies for a living. I listen to the guy almost every day on the way home from work, and it's abundantly clear when he's saying something he believes to be true and when he's saying something for matters of political expediency.

The guy is not a "commentator" or a "pundit", he's a propaganda organ. It'll be interesting to see how he dances if Ron Paul manages to get the nomination.
 
I disagree. That is the VERY REASON why george bush is able to get away with what he does, people just think he is dumb.

But no one actually realizes that Bush used to be a very articulate person. I happen to think he plays dumb purposely. If you don't believe me, watch this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw4Bhmm22xo

I agree with you, but I think the reason he's a worse speaker now is because of all the cocaine and alcohol he has consumed between that time (but I don't think that made him any less intelligent, just a little less coherent.)
 
Text polls are self-selecting unscientific polls that have no statistically significant relationship to the outcome of individual state primaries.

You are delusional.

Ron Paul will LOSE unless ALL OF US get out the message at the grass roots level and motivate individuals to vote in the New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina primaries.

By all scientific measures, Ron Paul is far, far behind in New Hampshire. And yet the myth persists among many Ron Paul supporters that the state is already in the bag for Paul.

There's something to be said for Fox News viewers and myths. Apparently there's also something to be said for people who get all their news from internet forums and myths.

Delusional. This will be our downfall.

I assure you, the glass is half full.

I prefer to use the positive version of your statement, Ron Paul will WIN if ALL OF US get out the message at the grass roots level and motivate individuals to vote in the primaries.

Then I set it as not just a goal, but an expectation. Then I let my brain figure out ways that will make that happen. This is how positive thinking works.

If you concentrate on Ron Paul losing, then all you will think about is the reasons why he will lose, and you'll never have an original, creative idea that could help the campaign.

I am in no way saying that it won't take some hard work at the grass roots level. It will. But, there's no reason to cut off the idea that we will get some help from MSM, and if you are open to it, you may even come up with an idea that will help Ron Paul get additional MSM coverage, making it easier to fill that half empty glass of yours.

PS - Not that I doubt you, but what "scientific measures" are you referring to that show Ron Paul is behind in New Hampshire?
 
Why all the hating on Fox News? I run a business, and I always have Fox News on in the background. You would not believe how much coverage Fox has been giving to Ron Paul these last two days. More than Huckabee, more than Giuliani, more than McCain, more than Romney, more than Thompson.

When I went to bed last night, there was a fair discussion of Ron Paul on Fox's late night program, "Red Eye." Then, when I woke up, the FNC show "Cashin' In" was debating Ron Paul's suggestion in New Hampshire that we should allow the airlines to police their own security. Of the four people on the panel, two supported it and two opposed. All four, however, were very respectful of Dr. Paul, none took "low blows," or anything like that.

Yesterday, they replayed a montage of all his arguement in the NH debate on Hannity and Colmes. Hannity then said that Paul won the debate's text message vote and he did not try to downplay it with "they probably cheated" or anything like that.

On Monday, O'Reilly will talk with Ron Paul. The O'Reilly Factor is the most watched cable news program in the entire country.

Out of all the news channels, the Fox News Channel is the most respectful and gives the most coverage to Ron Paul--ecspecially recently. We need to quit hating on the main stream media; its not that they are trying to censor Ron Paul, its just that like all television news, they are slow to change--but they are chaning now.
What, they're actually talking about ideas, and not just propaganda? Great news! I don't know whether they love Ron Paul or not. I'm always going to have my doubts about the corporate mass media, but I'm glad they're giving him and, more importantly, his ideas coverage. Things are starting to look up!
 
Text polls are self-selecting unscientific polls that have no statistically significant relationship to the outcome of individual state primaries.

You are delusional.

Ron Paul will LOSE unless ALL OF US get out the message at the grass roots level and motivate individuals to vote in the New Hampshire, Iowa, and South Carolina primaries.

By all scientific measures, Ron Paul is far, far behind in New Hampshire. And yet the myth persists among many Ron Paul supporters that the state is already in the bag for Paul.

There's something to be said for Fox News viewers and myths. Apparently there's also something to be said for people who get all their news from internet forums and myths.

Delusional. This will be our downfall.

Total BS. Telephone polls pray on the randomness of the population. So the more ignorant people are about the election the more it is "scientific". If Major League Baseball selected All-Stars for the All-Star game this way there would be injured and washed up players in the All-Star game.
 
All I know is if Ron Paul gets on Fox News and the network gives him more coverage we need to give the network more ratings. Most blasts about fox are completely liberal crap. Yes the do screw up and say some stupid things, but in general 70% coverage is the same if not better than CNN and MSNBC.

If we reward Fox for covering Paul we as his supports maybe able to turn the network into the Ron Paul network. After all CNN and MSNBC are all over the Democrats non-stop. We need a media outlet and if the other networks try to make fun of the new Paul network they'll only make themselves looks like fools.

WATCH FOX NEWS WHEN RON PAUL IS ON!!!!
 
Maybe Bill want's cookies and flowers? LOL!

Hey Marianne - here's your chance to send flowers to a GUY! LOL
 
I think they ought to run the text messaging votes "American Idol Style" thus raising campaign funds for each participating candidate. Now THAT would certainly put the entire evening into a new light wouldn't it?

What if each one of those text message votes put money into Ron Paul's coffers - what would H & C have to say about that? I see them as sort of the "Simon Cowel" negative role that adds the right amount of anger and tension to the evening to keep things from being boring.

Sad to say, my dad watched the show and fell for Huckabees lines about leaving Iraq.

Maybe someone can write a great "Welcome Home Troops" Speech for Ron like he did that Ron Paul Inaugural Address?

My Dad thinks if we leave Iraq, then OBL wins. He sees it as very black and white. When I told him the war was over 3 years ago he got angry with me and argued that it is not over. I told him Bush himself decared victory 3 years ago and it is now an occupation. We are not ending the war, we are ending the occupation. He said all of those people will die if we leave, and I told him they are dying now because we are there. He just can't get himself over this one hurdle.

My dad is a die hard Republican and has been for many years - the only Dem he ever voted for was John F. Kennedy.

He now says he wants Thompson for president. Go figure? I told him Thompson is for big government and globalism, and now he is digging in his heels and basing his decision on emotion rather than logic. I think he listens to too much talk-radio myself.

I am reading on this thread and a couple of others that perhaps we ought to distance ourselves from other groups. To this all I have to say is:

The things that pull all Ron Paul Supporters together is the same things that pull us apart. We all want the freedom to live our lives as we see fit. Everyone does, that is universal. So that makes for a very diverse base of supporters. We should not distance ourselves from ANY supporters, just because they seem "different" from ourselves. We should just support their right to freedom, as much as we want and deserve our own rights and freedoms. Big People, Little People, Skinny People, People who climb on Rocks, Even pointy tinfoil hat people want life, liberty and most of all their freedom. (Thinking of an old armour hotdog jingle please bear with me :) ) This is America, we are a mulligan stew of people who want our country back.
 
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Ron Paul is -


Honest
Intellgent
Articulate
Quick Thinking


Can't beat that!
 
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Sorry but to think Fox news loves Ron Paul is naive to say the least.

Fox News PAYS Rudy Giuliani $2M/year and Ruppert Murdoch donates to Hillary Clinton. Fox News is a neocon mouthpiece and TRYING to attack Ron Paul but it's backfiring and will keep backfiring.
 
Klondike and Barnhart (The Belchway boyz?) not only dissed Ron but the Huckster too.

Now they're shoving the 5 Top Tier'ers at us!
 
Why all the hating on Fox News? I run a business, and I always have Fox News on in the background. You would not believe how much coverage Fox has been giving to Ron Paul these last two days. More than Huckabee, more than Giuliani, more than McCain, more than Romney, more than Thompson.

When I went to bed last night, there was a fair discussion of Ron Paul on Fox's late night program, "Red Eye." Then, when I woke up, the FNC show "Cashin' In" was debating Ron Paul's suggestion in New Hampshire that we should allow the airlines to police their own security. Of the four people on the panel, two supported it and two opposed. All four, however, were very respectful of Dr. Paul, none took "low blows," or anything like that.

Yesterday, they replayed a montage of all his arguement in the NH debate on Hannity and Colmes. Hannity then said that Paul won the debate's text message vote and he did not try to downplay it with "they probably cheated" or anything like that.

On Monday, O'Reilly will talk with Ron Paul. The O'Reilly Factor is the most watched cable news program in the entire country.

Out of all the news channels, the Fox News Channel is the most respectful and gives the most coverage to Ron Paul--ecspecially recently. We need to quit hating on the main stream media; its not that they are trying to censor Ron Paul, its just that like all television news, they are slow to change--but they are chaning now.


Yes, since the debate, they have been ,well, better than most. I just did not like the tactics they used to smear Paul and make him look like a kook on national TV, while kissing MCCain's butt. It was not a fair debate.
 
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