Fox News *loves* Ron Paul

[Brian4Liberty]

They just realized that Ron Paul is not only electrifying a portion of the population
and therefore a potential audience they can market,
but also that his positions are generating substantial heat the others
are incapable of containing.

All this adds up to audience marketing and advertising revenue,
which is only now becoming painfully apparent to them.

They are probably having endless staff meetings and spin strategy sessions
right now on how to exploit what they can out of Ron Paul,
and if they are shrewd they will want to see him in the forefront
generating sizzle for as long as they can milk it.

Great post. You took the words right out of my mouth. Of the two main things that matter to them, it's advertising money and their (sometimes hidden) political agenda. Money matters more. The post interview show was a prime example. Save the big attention getter (Ron Paul) until the end, and make everyone watch as long as possible.

The "ignore him" stage is over. Time to size him up, attempt to steal his thunder (issues), and set him up for a fall. Make money at the same time. It's a no lose proposition for Fox.

No doubt there was a back-room conversation at some point "these Ron Paul supporters are turning us into lemons, let's make some lemonade."

 

[misconstrued]

It's not that Fox News *loves* Ron Paul. Fox New *loves* RATINGS and they know Ron Paul = Ratings.

 

[Revolution9]

You mean like this guy?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHB2I83_N_k

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!! What would Ron Paul do? hahahaha! Fucking aye pal.. He can go toe to toe with the most baragrugous drooldonkey in the world and kick their ass!

Best..hahaha!
Randy

 

[Dave Wood]

I listem to wmal am radio in D.C. and the shows I hear are Chris Core, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity.

I can tell you that there has been a lot more attention being paid to The U.S. Constitution and those kinds of issues in the last month.

I have also heard Walter Williams almost parrot Paul word for word on economics for three hours one day!

Hannity said recently that every single one of our candidates is stronger on issues than all of their candidates combined!

After the last debate Hannity said on his show that he is beginning to like debating with Ron Paul and i like the guy.

Rush Limbaugh also belted out a monologue after the debate in which he states can the democrats have a pro-war candidate on their stage? No way! We have an anti-war candidate on our stage every time and we debate important issues for our country, we discuss solutions and points of view. The democrats discuss socialism and hating Bush! He went on.....

There is a noticeable shift taking place, Ron Paul has more power than many of us will ever know! I wonder what his fellow congresscritters talk to him about at work after they see him own a debate or his supporters at a straw poll???

The media is slow to come around just like it takes a while to change a persons point of view, remember "a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still".


They will be working for us soon unless another candidate turns into a younger reincarnated Ron Paul!

 

[john_anderson_ii]

R

RP IS too nice and mild mannered to deal with a loud, abrasive, rude prick like O'reilly

No, no, no. RP is mild mannered and nice. He can go from 0 to viscous pretty quick when he knows he's right.

 

[Revolution9]

Maybe he read my hypothetical post from yesterday and second guessed himself

yesterday >--------------------->

Hannity goes into their offfice at Fox headquarters the day after Ron Paul wins the nomination.

S H - Hey buddy, whatcha doing?

A C - Cleaning out my desk, what does it look like im doing?

S H - Aw man!!! I cant believe those assholes. When did they tell you?

A C - About 2 hours ago and Ive gotta hurry and meet my wife. Were having a little get together with some friends to celebrate.

S H - Celebrate? You never told me you wanted to quit.

A C - Who said I quit dumbass? THEY PROMOTED ME AND GAVE ME MY OWN SHOW!! YAHOOOOO!!!

S H - Aw man, thats awesome !!!!! But how are you going to find time between your radio show, your family, and Hannity & Colmes to do another show?

A C - Well uh, thats the thing Sean...................... there is no more H & C anymore little buddy.

S H - Huh?

A C - Yeah, they gave me a new office on the top floor all to myself. Yep, no more listening to you snore and drool all over your desk and having to hear you blare your stupid Def Leppard songs through your headphones while im trying to get work done. Finally, some peace and quiet.

S H with his head between his knees grabing his hair with both hands - WTF??? Why did they tell you about YOUR new show and not tell me about mine?

A C - Well, thats the other thing buddy............... I think theyre gonna let you go.

S H - What the hell??? What did I do wrong? I was just following marching orders!!!

A C - Yeah, but you know how it goes my big headed friend. Shit rolls downhill, and I guess the way they see it, since Ron Paul won the Republican nomination, you no longer represent the other side, in fact you dont really represent anything but a small group of neo-conservatives who are going the way of the Dodo bird.

S H - But you disagree with just about everything he says except the war!!!! WTF?? How is THAT fair?

A C - Yeah, but im SUPPOSED to disagree with republicans dummy. Youre not. So to save face, the big guys upstairs decided it would look best for them if they at least acted like you were the bad guy. Like I said before, shit rolls downhill, and you just happened to be the one that got caught with your big mouth wide open at the bottom................ Sorry about your luck man.

S H - Well at least I still have my radio show where I can talk about neo-conservative ideas that are becoming less and less popular with each passing........................................... .......... FUCK!!!!! IM SCREWED!!!!!

knock on the door .....................

A C - hey O'Reilly, whats up?

B O - Well, just taking my stuff down here, I guess this is gonna be my new office now.

A C - HAHA Yeah they gave me your office upstairs. Its a crazy mixed up world aint it?

B O - YEAH............. BLOW ME!!!!!!

S H - But this isnt fair!!!!! They demote you O'Reilly and fire me?????? This isnt fair!!!!

B O - "this isnt fair wha wha wha..... this isnt fair!!!" THATS YOU!!! A WHINY LITTLE BITCH!!! AND YOU WONDER WHY THEY GOT RID OF YA. And in case your wondering, im not a republican. Im an independant for the most part so I got a free pass, well sorta............... this office sucks, but hey at least I get full benefits and my pay only got cut 35%, so I cant bitch too much.

S H - FINE!!!!! Ill just go talk to Rush and he'll give me a job!!!! I can make coffee and light his cigars, and maybe some day when hes taking the day off, he'll let me fill in for him. Ill be back on top in no time.............. YOULL SEE........... JUST WATCH!!!!

A C - yeah whatever Sean............ I gotta go........... see ya tommorow Bill



Fade to black as Sean exits the Fox headquarters building and walks across the street with his box of memories as a Fox employee, as the Midnight Cowboy theme is played in the background.

Good one Mikey! haha!

Best Regards
Randy

 

[Dave Wood]

No, no, no. RP is mild mannered and nice. He can go from 0 to viscous pretty quick when he knows he's right.

Yeah! like the NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! response to the moderator the other night!!


I thought he was going to jump off the stage and bitch-slap the guy.

 

[Flex]

Yesterday, they replayed a montage of all his arguement in the NH debate on Hannity and Colmes. Hannity then said that Paul won the debate's text message vote and he did not try to downplay it with "they probably cheated" or anything like that..

You have to be kidding me, this is the clip you're talking about. Hannity said he sounds like a democrat and tries to convince the viewers that McCain won the debate when it wasn't even close. This whole "We should bring our troops home with honor" is a bunch of bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g

 

[dircha]

Doesn't matter that Vannity claimed we multivoted, we know that was not possible. And believe me - so do they.

No, no I do not believe you.

Listen, Colmes and Hannity both suggested live on the air that Ron Paul supporters were voting and revoting to distort the results of the poll.

But the simplest explanation also happens to be the most likely. They did not know, live on television at that moment, that the poll their producers and engineers had setup had safeguards in place preventing revoting.

This is not information that would have been shared with the on camera personalities in advance of a busy night of live debate coverage.

So Colmes and Hannity, like most middle aged Americans with just enough knowledge of technology to be suspicious of it, looked at the text poll results, recalled the fact that Ron Paul is polling at about 3% nationally, and made the entirely innocent and expected assumption that Ron Paul's technology savvy supporters were somehow exploiting the voting mechanism to misrepresent their candidate's support.

The fact of the matter is that Colmes and Hannity, despite their on camera recognition, aren't academics, aren't scientists, aren't technology savvy, and for the most part aren't any smarter than the average bear.

Had they been, and I assure you they are not, they would have instead reached the conclusion that it was not deceit that accounted for the disparity in the text poll results compared to national and primary state poll results, but rather the fact that the text poll is a self-selecting, unscientific poll, whereas the national and primary state polls are broadly, scientific polls, and are not self-selecting.

Do not attribute to malice that which is more adequately explained by stupidity.

The number one mistake made by many Ron Paul supporters is overestimating the opposition. The number two mistake is overestimating the opposition's perception of them as a threat.

 

[TheEvilDetector]

Yeah! like the NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! response to the moderator the other night!!


I thought he was going to jump off the stage and bitch-slap the guy.

I didn't get that perception, to me he came across as being assertive without being aggressive in that instance.

RP wields immense power, because he knows people's psychology very well.

We all know he is very intelligent, in reality he is far more intelligent than even we realise at first glance.

He is not only winning in terms of the message although even strictly on that basis he can't be beaten.

He is also winning the psychological warfare waged against him, because he has superior control over himself and is not emotionally short sighted.

A man who is in control of his emotions and has a superior argument is a force to be reckoned with.

Which is why things will get very interesting as we move closer to primaries.

 

[1000-points-of-fright]

If the cable & broadcast news shows are giving RP more air time it's only for one reason: Ratings. They've finally realized that any advance notice of a Paul appearance (even if it's just a 10 minute advance) will guarantee a bump in the numbers.

 

[TheEvilDetector]

No, no I do not believe you.

Listen, Colmes and Hannity both suggested live on the air that Ron Paul supporters were voting and revoting to distort the results of the poll.

But the simplest explanation also happens to be the most likely. They did not know, live on television at that moment, that the poll their producers and engineers had setup had safeguards in place preventing revoting.

This is not information that would have been shared with the on camera personalities in advance of a busy night of live debate coverage.

So Colmes and Hannity, like most middle aged Americans with just enough knowledge of technology to be suspicious of it, looked at the text poll results, recalled the fact that Ron Paul is polling at about 3% nationally, and made the entirely innocent and expected assumption that Ron Paul's technology savvy supporters were somehow exploiting the voting mechanism to misrepresent their candidate's support.

The fact of the matter is that Colmes and Hannity, despite their on camera recognition, aren't academics, aren't scientists, aren't technology savvy, and for the most part aren't any smarter than the average bear.

Had they been, and I assure you they are not, they would have instead reached the conclusion that it was not deceit that accounted for the disparity in the text poll results compared to national and primary state poll results, but rather the fact that the text poll is a self-selecting, unscientific poll, whereas the national and primary state polls are broadly, scientific polls, and are not self-selecting.

Do not attribute to malice that which is more adequately explained by stupidity.

The number one mistake made by many Ron Paul supporters is overestimating the opposition. The number two mistake is overestimating the opposition's perception of them as a threat.

Overestimating the opposition is never a mistake. Underestimating it is.

 

[dircha]

You have to be kidding me, this is the clip you're talking about. Hannity said he sounds like a democrat and tries to convince the viewers that McCain won the debate when it wasn't even close. This whole "We should bring our troops home with honor" is a bunch of bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYLVgMF9R9g

Bringing our troops home with honor isn't bullshit. What is bullshit is the suggestion that if we bring our troops home now, it won't be honorable.

If we bring our troops home tomorrow, they will be coming home with honor. There's one thing you can't do as a Republican, and that's disrespect our troops.

Ron Paul talks a lot about peace being the traditional conservative position.

Even Nixon was savvy enough to know that "peace with honor" was the only politically viable option for withdrawal.

Let's withdraw our troops now, with honor.

 

[dircha]

Overestimating the opposition is never a mistake. Underestimating it is.

It is a mistake when it leaves many of Ron Paul's vocal supporters looking like loony conspiracy theorists who are not credible, to those traditional conservative primary voters who he must win over if he is to have any chance at the nomination.

And this is exactly what is happening. Ron Paul has enough of a challenge getting his message out there in a positive way, without having to apologize for and distance himself from his supporters in every media appearance.

You are hurting Ron Paul's chances.

 

[Corydoras]

The number one mistake made by many Ron Paul supporters is overestimating the opposition. The number two mistake is overestimating the opposition's perception of them as a threat.

I AGREE 100%.

People like Hannity and Colmes are pretty much meat puppets. They say what they're told to.

 

[RP4Life]

Of course they do. Apparently Murdoch sends out a memo every day that says what should be covered and what type of slant to be put on it.

http://digg.com/politics/FOX_News_Internal_Memo_Leak_Find_quotes_of_insurgents_thrilled_at_Dems_Win

"Our" media is like the movie Good Morning Vietnam, writ large.

Censored and controlled and edited like you wouldn't believe.

But this here internet is about to do an end run around on all of it.

 

[TheEvilDetector]

It is a mistake when it leaves many of Ron Paul's vocal supporters looking like loony conspiracy theorists who are not credible, to those traditional conservative primary voters who he must win over if he is to have any chance at the nomination.

And this is exactly what is happening. Ron Paul has enough of a challenge getting his message out there in a positive way, without having to apologize for and distance himself from his supporters in every media appearance.

You are hurting Ron Paul's chances.

I think you are tying 2 issues together.

Issue 1 - Overestimation of the opposition:

If you remain sceptical when viewing MSM reports even when they seem to be good you may have a good reason for it.
Given the historical track record MSM possesses of being quite adept at blasting propaganda trash on the airwaves
it is not so unreasonable to assume there is an agenda to ultimately subvert the RP campaign by using the legitimacy
gained by appearing to be on RPs side for a while. Another poster in this thread mentioned this earlier I believe.

Overestimation is simply the result of such suspicions ultimately not being justified.

Issue 2 - Supporters holding certain controversial beliefs that in your opinion hurt Ron Paul:

Do realise, that Ron Paul has stated on MSM, that just because he talks to various people doesn't mean he agrees with them. He said something to the effect of, if he had to have 100% agreement with the people in the media before talking to them, his appearances on the airwaves would suffer.

So where am I going with this? Basically, you do not need to worry about RP and his ability to consistently disseminate his message. RP is brilliant in that regard.

As to your concern about supporters who do not hold mainstream views. Well, we just have to rely on individual judgement here, this is what RP would advocate.

If a supporter feels that his views may hurt RPs chances he may decide against associating with RP whilst mentioning these views.

 

[MicroBalrog]

What people seem to not understand is that personalities like Murdoch do not have 100% control o their network, the management under them has. Usually, the news board of a newspaper has more control of the paper’s daily running then the owner himself..

Murdoch is known to personally only support Republicans as the ‘lesser evil’, but the flunkies he hred do not see it that way.

You see, Murdoch’s marketing genius is that, when he came in, the major newsmedia were overwhelmingly liberal in their bias.

He created a conservative network. People who hated the NBCCNPBS trio LOVED Fox News because it seemed to them new and truthful. In reality it is BS, but it was welcomed – and IS welcomed – by its viewers as different brand of BS.

The reason ‘conventional reporters’ hate Fox is because its BS challenges THEIR BS. It’s all BS in reality.

Now, the flunkies which Murdoch hired for this purpose are greater idiots then Murdoch himself – they REALLY believe in sh*t like the ‘war on Christmas’ or whatnot.

Murdoch himself is a former Cato board member. I bet if there’s any fairness towards Paul, it’s because Murdoch has pulled strings or something.

 

[Ninja Homer]

What you're saying makes sense and that probably explains the sudden shift. I expect them to continue to smear him though.

I wonder what Bill is going to come at him with? I will be very surprised if O'Reilly is actually civil.

I assume that Bill has all his underlings working overtime under a whip this weekend trying to dig up as much dirt as they can on Ron Paul. Bill is probably having a fit because there isn't a whole lot.

We'll probably hear about the racist comments in Ron Paul's newsletter that were ghost-written with Ron's name on it. We'll probably hear about Ron Paul's pork projects. We'll probably hear the "you're not a Republican" bit. It will be great to get these out in the open with Ron having the opportunity to explain them. Better out in the open with Ron's explanation then underground articles that he can't respond to.

Most of all, we'll probably hear about the report that says the surge is doing well, and Osama's video. Ron will own Bill on those 2 issues.

Bill may try to cut Ron off a lot or change the subject when he realizes that Ron knows what the hell he's talking about. If he does this, it will be strongly in Ron Paul's favor. People who watched the Fox debate, even non-Ron Paul supporters, are already pissed about how Ron was treated in the debate. If he continues to get that kind of treatment he will still have the underdog advantage, in addition to the media attention... a double win.

 

[BillyDkid]

Must be a different Fox news than the one I get on my TV.