Fox News Debate (12/15) OFFICIAL Thread

Seriously, Ron Paul nailed the foreign policy exchange with Bachmann. He reinforced all the right points:

Go to War with a Full Declaration from Congress.
Don't start another 10 year affair like we did with Iraq.

Seems like a wonderful answer to me. I don't think anyone wants another Iraq or Afghanistan type of war. As Ron Paul said, that type of war is inneffective and we don't have the money for it. Boom! Good stuff Ron Paul.
NO ONE Brought Up Russia and China alliance with Iran.

No problem taking on IRAN, with Putin escalating his nuclear forces.
 
People don't always get it right. As defined by Ron Paul.

Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
They accept the notion that the ends justify the means — that hard-ball politics is a moral necessity.
They express no opposition to the welfare state.
They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill-advised.
They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists).
They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party.

Bachmann is not a neocon. Geez, people. Stop calling everyone who doesn't agree with Paul about foreign policy, a neocon. It's not true and makes us look stupid.
 
RON PAUL IS STILL STANDING UP FOR THE CONSTITUTION.

The others...not so much.

LOL..Gingrich wants to abolish courts.
 
Ron is doing fine. He's doing what we love him for - standing up for the truth. In the end, the truth will win...

Don't like what you hear? Get on the phone from home program and start doing something about it...
 
Do you really think anybody supporting Ron Paul at 21% in Iowa don't already know Ron's position on Iran? Come on man. You should participate here more if that's what you really think.

Actually, I am from Iowa and I know several individuals you speak of. These people have always put Ron low on their list because of his foreign policy... but recently they've come along because of two things. They think his policy isn't that bad and not as extreme as they once thought and the other candidates have been faltering. I'm concerned that some of Ron's recent gains in Iowa might be erased by a weak description of his views which are strong on their own merits, but weren't packaged correctly tonight. That's all.
 
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